Police State USA

[Rockin’Irish]

Your constant misunderstanding of others' posts, your inability to give a direct answer to any question, the silly ideas you routinely put forth, and the fact that, by your own admission, you think this

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is as much a real woman as this

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would strongly indicate that any judgment you make about what I acknowledge is highly unlikely to be correct.

The clitoris on that woman by the water is impressive…….

 

[Bishop2b5]

The clitoris on that woman by the water is impressive…….

My only regret is that I can only react to this once! You deserve limitless upvotes for this.

 

[TorontoGold]

Your constant misunderstanding of others' posts, your inability to give a direct answer to any question, the silly ideas you routinely put forth, and the fact that, by your own admission, you think this

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is as much a real woman as this

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would strongly indicate that any judgment you make about what I acknowledge is highly unlikely to be correct.

You can't even say whether San Francisco actually defunded the police or not, and that it isn't actually a crime infested place?

Ah, there it is. The super emotional troll like post. I had to take a look at bikini to make sure you weren't just giving us another look at the Bishop clan. Who knows, maybe it's a daughter, but then again she wouldn't be that tall.

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[Bishop2b5]

You can't even say whether San Francisco actually defunded the police or not, and that it isn't actually a crime infested place?

Ah, there it is. The super emotional troll like post. I had to take a look at bikini to make sure you weren't just giving us another look at the Bishop clan. Who knows, maybe it's a daughter, but then again she wouldn't be that tall.

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Sexual innuendo and insults about someone's children because you got beat up in a discussion and made fun of? Wow. I'm not even mad about it. I'm just amazed you let it all get to you enough to make you go there. Says nothing about me and my family, but a whole lot about you and what sort of character you have... or don't. Sorry you got mad and your feelings hurt, but you asked for it. If you don't like the abuse and me making fun of you, then start being honest, answer the questions posed to you instead of dodging and spinning, and stop saying stupid stuff.

 

[Irish#1]

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San Fran is a beautiful city and there's a reason it's world class city and the cost of living is so high. San Fran's peers are London/Paris/Madrid/Tokyo etc.

Peers in what aspects?

 

[Irish#1]

Whole Foods announced they are closing their flagship SF store after only 1 yr in operation due to concerns for employee safety. 65K Sq ft store. This is a problem folks. All of this From the Fortune Magazine article including this nugget:

Retail theft has been a growing problem in San Francisco, with a 23% increase in property crimes from 2020 to 2022, according to the San Francisco Police Department. (Violent crime numbers are up 8%.)

Ruh roh.

 

[TorontoGold]

Peers in what aspects?

World class cities that are among the best places in the world to visit and live in. They are objectively great places.

 

[Irish#1]

Is defunding public libraries cool?

Might as well. With internet access, they're basically relics of their former selves. Besides the only people that use them anymore are pedophiles that don't want their searches traced back to the home IP.

 

[Irish#1]

World class cities that are among the best places in the world to visit and live in. They are objectively great places.

In comparing population growth, SF declined 7.1% since 2020. Paris, Tokyo and Madrid's populations have declined as well, but not near the rate of SF. London's grew. Something about SF is causing this rapid decline, so I'm not sure they are quite in the same peer group.

Would you consider NY, Chicago, Houston or LA peers?

 

[Irish#1]

Your constant misunderstanding of others' posts, your inability to give a direct answer to any question, the silly ideas you routinely put forth, and the fact that, by your own admission, you think this

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is as much a real woman as this



would strongly indicate that any judgment you make about what I acknowledge is highly unlikely to be correct.

This is ban worthy.

 

[TorontoGold]

In comparing population growth, SF declined 7.1% since 2020. Paris, Tokyo and Madrid's populations have declined as well, but not near the rate of SF. London's grew. Something about SF is causing this rapid decline, so I'm not sure they are quite in the same peer group.

....cost of living? Cost of Living Index 2023 Having a small land foot print doesn't really allow for expansion.

As we've seen from the statistics posted, there is no crime wave and there is no defunding of police. So that isn't a reason.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Might as well. With internet access, they're basically relics of their former selves. Besides the only people that use them anymore are pedophiles that don't want their searches traced back to the home IP.

Holy shit. Yikes

 

[Irish#1]

 

[Irish#1]

....cost of living? Cost of Living Index 2023 Having a small land foot print doesn't really allow for expansion.

As we've seen from the statistics posted, there is no crime wave and there is no defunding of police. So that isn't a reason.

Don't try the Vortex. I didn't mention crime. I asked what aspects you thought made it a peer of the other cities.

Cost of living may be contributing to the large loss of population. The cost of living in San Francisco, CA is 28% higher than the state average and 79% higher than the national average. San Francisco, CA housing is 207% more expensive than the U.S average, while utilities are about 32% pricier.

And in my best Toronto imitation........Still waiting on you to answer my question about NY, LA, Chicago and Houston.

 

[TorontoGold]

Don't try the Vortex. I didn't mention crime. I asked what aspects you thought made it a peer of the other cities.

Cost of living may be contributing to the large loss of population. The cost of living in San Francisco, CA is 28% higher than the state average and 79% higher than the national average. San Francisco, CA housing is 207% more expensive than the U.S average, while utilities are about 32% pricier.

And in my best Toronto imitation........Still waiting on you to answer my question about NY, LA, Chicago and Houston.

Lol "vortex", buddy you're asking me about a trivial part of the overall discussion in that I compared San Fran to Tokyo etc. Instead of pushing back on the discussion at hand you want to fine tune what a world class city is. This is the typical MO for when Bagel Boy gets mad and emotional when the stats don't line up with his thoughts, it's time to argue over the semantics with #1.

We are in the "Police State USA" thread, my apologies for assuming you were referencing this when you were discussing "must be something else" that's leading to population decline. What do you think could be leading to the population decline?

You edited your post between the time I quoted it and posted my response, apologies for missing that. I do consider those cities to be world class cities as well. When people think of the best cities in the US they think of those, they don't go to Little Rock or Mobile or Buffalo or Rochester. What's the point of this question?

 

[Irish#1]

Lol "vortex", buddy you're asking me about a trivial part of the overall discussion in that I compared San Fran to Tokyo etc. Instead of pushing back on the discussion at hand you want to fine tune what a world class city is. This is the typical MO for when Bagel Boy gets mad and emotional when the stats don't line up with his thoughts, it's time to argue over the semantics with #1.

We are in the "Police State USA" thread, my apologies for assuming you were referencing this when you were discussing "must be something else" that's leading to population decline. What do you think could be leading to the population decline?

You edited your post between the time I quoted it and posted my response, apologies for missing that. I do consider those cities to be world class cities as well. When people think of the best cities in the US they think of those, they don't go to Little Rock or Mobile or Buffalo or Rochester. What's the point of this question?

Fine tune? You gave a generic answer. I was genuinely curious as to what you thought were world class cities? The point of the question was trying to understand what defines a city as world class? Is it defined by the number of museums, symphonies, racial diversity of their population, number of international flights their airport handles, school system, small gap between the rich and the poor, number of tourists annually, rail system?

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Might as well. With internet access, they're basically relics of their former selves. Besides the only people that use them anymore are pedophiles that don't want their searches traced back to the home IP.

Is that why you’re always at the Franklin Rd. library? (I’d use italics but can’t figure out how)

 

[TorontoGold]

Fine tune? You gave a generic answer. I was genuinely curious as to what you thought were world class cities? The point of the question was trying to understand what defines a city as world class? Is it defined by the number of museums, symphonies, racial diversity of their population, number of international flights their airport handles, school system, small gap between the rich and the poor, number of tourists annually, rail system?

Ok world class cities are subjective but I think it's fair to say San Francisco is considered one. The other cities you listed are world class cities in my opinion too. I hope this answer suffices.

Am I allowed to ask what reason your were hinting at to why people were leaving San Francisco?

 

[Irish#1]

Ok world class cities are subjective but I think it's fair to say San Francisco is considered one. The other cities you listed are world class cities in my opinion too. I hope this answer suffices.

Am I allowed to ask what reason your were hinting at to why people were leaving San Francisco?

I agree it’s subjective. You hear it all the time and many cities like to use that in their tourism advertising.

You are allowed to ask.

Every city has its issues regardless of what one thinks of them.

 

[Irish#1]

Is that why you’re always at the Franklin Rd. library? (I’d use italics but can’t figure out how)

Actually I park there because the parking lot at El Rodeo is always full.

 

[fightingirish26]

 

[goldandblue]

Wait he had a gun but didn’t fire it? Wonder why he didn’t fire it.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

If he did have a gun and showed that gun……you have to expect the police would not wait around before shooting him. 57 shots is pretty extensive, I would be curious to hear how many officers actually fired at him. I wonder why the young man had a gun at a “climate protest”……

 

[Bishop2b5]

He had a gun and it was fired, striking an officer in the lower body, which is what caused the officers to then return fire. The bullet recovered from the wounded officer was conclusively matched to Teran's gun, which he was holding and which belonged to him. However, no gunshot residue was found on his hands.

 

[ab2cmiller]

He had a gun and it was fired, striking an officer in the lower body, which is what caused the officers to then return fire. The bullet recovered from the wounded officer was conclusively matched to Teran's gun, which he was holding and which belonged to him. However, no gunshot residue was found on his hands.

Is it even possible to fire a gun and not have any gunshot residue on your hands?

 

[Bishop2b5]

Is it even possible to fire a gun and not have any gunshot residue on your hands?

Without wearing gloves or having them covered in some way, I don't think so. It certainly raises some questions. Officers at some point thought maybe their guy got hit by friendly fire, but the bullet came from the 9mm owned by Teran, it had been fired, and the officer's wound was from the front. How that happened but Teran had no residue on his hands is open to speculation. There were others in the tent with him. Did one of them fire the gun and then give it to Teran or place it in his hands after the shooting? Maybe. A lot of what happened is unclear so far. It almost certainly wasn't the intentional execution of a protester as the tweet above claims, but there are still questions about the details.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

If he did have a gun and showed that gun……you have to expect the police would not wait around before shooting him. 57 shots is pretty extensive, I would be curious to hear how many officers actually fired at him. I wonder why the young man had a gun at a “climate protest”……

Not sure if you’re serious about your question “wonder why the young man had a gun at a climate protest”? Have you asked why someone had a gun at a grocery store? Or at church? Are people not allowed to have a gun at a climate protest? Are the 2 supposed to be mutually exclusive?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

A quick search of her history, I see she supported Kamala Harris and Bloomberg for president. So not exactly the beacons of progressive policies. I see she stopped a non-profit from opening a supervised drug use site as well. Seems like a milk toast liberal who instantly becomes a "woke" target for some because she's black and a woman. She's likely better than most options but strikes me as a typical liberal type who only uses progressive rhetoric but doesn't actually follow through on it.

At the end of the day, she didn't defund the police and crime is not an issue in San Francisco. Of course, would be open to seeing any data that supports the counter.

Crime isn't an issue in San Francisco? This is the first I've heard.

 

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[Bishop2b5]

At the end of the day, she didn't defund the police and crime is not an issue in San Francisco. Of course, would be open to seeing any data that supports the counter.

Because she's a milk toast liberal who's going to pander to whichever voices are the loudest? Idk go nuts have at her, I won't lose sleep over someone who got support for being pro-defunding and then didn't actually follow through on it.

But, more importantly, your stance of defunding the police and rampant crime are just outright wrong. lol.

I'll take this as acknowledging that San Fran isn't a crime haven and didn't defund the police.

....cost of living? Cost of Living Index 2023 Having a small land foot print doesn't really allow for expansion.

As we've seen from the statistics posted, there is no crime wave and there is no defunding of police. So that isn't a reason.

As you were saying...

San Francisco stuck in 'doom cycle' as crime soars as experts share grim warning

FOR years, San Francisco has been a go-to destination for millions of tourists from all over the world. Postcard pictures of the Golden Gate Bridge and the iconic, undulating streets bathed in Cali…

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METROPOLIS MADNESS

San Francisco stuck in crippling ‘doom cycle’ as crime soars as experts share bleak warning about ‘anarchy’ and closures​

• Steve Brenner
• Published: 22:27 ET, Apr 20 2023
• Updated: 17:50 ET, Apr 21 2023

FOR years, San Francisco has been a go-to destination for millions of tourists from all over the world.

Postcard pictures of the Golden Gate Bridge and the iconic, undulating streets bathed in California sunshine drew people to the West Coast city in droves.



Homeless encampments have increased in size and are a blight on the city's once-beautiful landscapeCredit: Getty


Joel Aylworth was a cop in San Francisco for 15 years and despairs at the staffing problems right nowCredit: Facebook

Today, however, those same fun-seekers are being told to stay away as drug use, violence, and homelessness are bringing a proud city to its knees.

"It's anarchy on the streets," former San Francisco police officer Joel Aylworth told The U.S Sun.

He's not wrong.

A toxic mix of an understaffed police force coupled with a relaxing of laws that have given the green light for thieves and drug addicts to go about their business without fear of recrimination has seen San Francisco's problems accelerate at an alarming rate.

According to police data, between 2020 and 2022, there was a 23 percent uptick in property crimes, and although the number of homicides last year is exactly the same as the figure from 2021 - 56 in both years - the problems are mounting alarmingly.

Violent crime may be down from the peak of 2013 - a fact that some will point to when arguing that the latest focus on San Francisco's woes is overblown - yet after speaking to cops and residents on the ground, it's hard to try and brush anything under the rug.

An attempt to quell disaster on the streets a few years back saw progressive lawmakers change possession of hard drugs from a felony to a misdemeanor. And the same approach was taken for stealing.

Stealing less than $950 worth of items was also reduced from a serious charge to barely a slap on the wrist.


What was once a booming tech hub that the world envied has now turned some areas of such a fine city into a desperate, dangerous hellscape that needs serious intervention from local and national decision-makers who helped create this utter mess in the first place.



Whole Foods was forced to close one of its downtown San Francisco locations because of increasing levels of crime in the store, despite police officers being brought in for extra security. Credit: Getty

Of course, the Covid-19 pandemic didn't help - techies who filled the city and fueled local businesses have stayed at home and won't be coming back anytime soon.

The problems have been stirring for a while yet when a plush Whole Foods downtown was forced to close after a year because of incessant crime and violence - CVS and Walgreens have also closed some locations - the national spotlight on the darkness began to shine even brighter.

A safe drug consumption area directly opposite the store was to blame - pipes and syringes were found in the restrooms - and not even employing actual police rather than security staff could solve the problems.

In fact, it hardly made a difference.

"People would stuff nine steaks down their pants to try to walk past me," Aylworth recalls of his time manning the doors at Whole Foods.

"They didn't even care that the cops were there. Why arrest him? He's not going to jail because he probably has medical issues. So, I'm four hours at the medical hospital just to sit with him until the staff can clear him to be ready for jail?

"He will then get kicked out the same day, and I'm never going to go to court because they won't charge him anyway."

The brutal murder of Cash App founder Bob Lee brought more unwanted attention to the city's problems and although the suspect was a fellow tech worker, the shocking incident did little to calm fears of San Francisco residents.

Ultra-progressive decision-makers want to keep people out of prison and show humility toward drug addicts with the creation of numerous safe zones where they can inject fentanyl, the new drug of choice on the streets, safely.

The plans have horribly backfired and need rectifying. No one should see drug addicts shooting up in the street, yet it's happening in San Francisco every day.

"I have compassion for all the people that I've ever dealt with who are suffering from addiction," says cop Rich Cibotti, who has patrolled San Francisco's notorious Tenderloin district for 15 years.

"But compassion isn't letting them roam the streets unsupervised, with either mental health or drug addiction issues."

Office occupancy rates are currently at an alarming 29 percent, ensuring the cafes and restaurants, which were once booming and bustling during the working week, have shuttered for good.

Cibotti says those levels are "unheard" of and it's difficult to see the numbers improving if the current situation is allowed to continue.

Now that those businesses aren't complaining about a homeless person hampering trade, huge encampments have sprung up, making those areas a no man's land.

"San Francisco is caught in this doom cycle where the small business at the bottom go under because the big buildings are empty," said Cibotti.

"A tent then becomes an encampment, and then, it spreads like a cancer all over the place."

So what can be done?

Clearly, the police are desperately understaffed - Aylworth claims it's at "an all-time low" - while current District Attorney Brooke Jenkins needs to somehow repair the disaster caused by California Governor Gavin Newsom and former San Francisco DA Chesa Boudin and take a serious look at those relaxed laws which are causing such mayhem.

Tourism numbers are down with Cibotti fearing his beloved city is mirroring the problems of Detroit, where the manufacturing industry began to disappear creating decades of decay.

A city like San Francisco needs visitors to keep the revenue rolling in, but a two-week holiday among the homeless drug addicts sprawled out on the sidewalk doesn't sound very appealing right now.

That is, of course, a crying shame for what is in normal circumstances a fantastic place to visit and live.

The current situation should shock politicians into action yet don't hold your breath.

"These people aren't making good decisions based on what is right," Aylworth said of San Francisco's flawed approach to the problems on the street.

"Do what is right, not what is easy."



Rich Cibotti has worked in San Francisco's notorious Tenderloin district for 15 years and is desperate for lawmakers to recognize the gravity of the current situationCredit: YouTube/California Insider


Tents and trash line the streets of the Tenderloin district in San Francisco on October 30, 2021Credit: Getty



A shot of someone sleeping on the streets of the Tenderloin neighborhood on January 26, 2022Credit: Getty



Another January 2022 shot shows an encampment against the gates of Boeddeker ParkCredit: Getty