'24 IL DL Justin Scott (Miami [FL] Verbal)

[Dale]

 

[CanadalovesND]

Shaun Davis of IB inteviewed Scott yesterday.

Scott admits that ND is recruiting him well, but could be doing it stronger. There are few people in his network, through school and personal relationships, that are trying to push him to ND. Gets the feeling that Scott is getting a bit exhausted with the process, and could shut it down at some point and not drag it out.

NIL is part of the conversation and his recruitment, but his family and mom especially, are pushing education. Bigger points of emphasis that he will focus on his coaching staff, culture and fit (which every recruit says pretty much).

 

[irishff1014]

Shaun Davis of IB inteviewed Scott yesterday.

Scott admits that ND is recruiting him well, but could be doing it stronger. There are few people in his network, through school and personal relationships, that are trying to push him to ND. Gets the feeling that Scott is getting a bit exhausted with the process, and could shut it down at some point and not drag it out.

NIL is part of the conversation and his recruitment, but his family and mom especially, are pushing education. Bigger points of emphasis that he will focus on his coaching staff, culture and fit (which every recruit says pretty much).

We hear this every year.

 

[NDPhilly]

Shaun Davis of IB inteviewed Scott yesterday.

Scott admits that ND is recruiting him well, but could be doing it stronger. There are few people in his network, through school and personal relationships, that are trying to push him to ND. Gets the feeling that Scott is getting a bit exhausted with the process, and could shut it down at some point and not drag it out.

NIL is part of the conversation and his recruitment, but his family and mom especially, are pushing education. Bigger points of emphasis that he will focus on his coaching staff, culture and fit (which every recruit says pretty much).

I dont want to become a fire Al Washington guy but I mean come on.

 

[ColinKSU]

Shaun Davis of IB inteviewed Scott yesterday.

Scott admits that ND is recruiting him well, but could be doing it stronger. There are few people in his network, through school and personal relationships, that are trying to push him to ND. Gets the feeling that Scott is getting a bit exhausted with the process, and could shut it down at some point and not drag it out.

NIL is part of the conversation and his recruitment, but his family and mom especially, are pushing education. Bigger points of emphasis that he will focus on his coaching staff, culture and fit (which every recruit says pretty much).

He also said some stuff that’ll make the Al Washington is blowing it crowd mad. But there has to be more to the story than what Justin said in that interview.

 

[Torpedo Vegas]

We hear this every year.

It’s a boilerplate response, which I understand bc if a kid just said “I’m going to whomever pays more”, he would her grilled.

 

[Torpedo Vegas]

I dont want to become a fire Al Washington guy but I mean come on.

Why should ND settle for Ohio State’s scraps? That goes for recruits and coaches.

 

[Dale]

The seemingly choreographed media press that ND needs to push more for Scott and Scott wants more attention is odd to me.


Just weird smell to this recruitment.

 

[Irish4life]

You can say that ND probably could've pushed harder earlier, but given how Bowen/Keeley went I get why they didn't. Also the kid could've easily made the 90 minute drive to South Bend for an unofficial and a gameday weekend, but he didn't.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I don't want to say Scott is FOS, but kid, come the f*ck on.

You're in Rick Astley territory in this recruitment. You know the rules and so does ND.

Either you are all in on NIL or not. If you are prioritizing NIL, then ND isn't going to play that game. They've been burned far too many times. They don't have the time to invest on a kid who's just going to jump ship for the bag down the line after he's told them he's firm for months. Put up or shut up.

Either you're in or you're out. Quit pinning this on ND. One way or another, this is on YOU.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Why should ND settle for Ohio State’s scraps? That goes for recruits and coaches.

There are many reasons for this - many of these limitations ND fans want to deny.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I dont want to become a fire Al Washington guy but I mean come on.

If not landing Top 100 kids and 5 stars is a reason for termination at ND then there are a few position coaches that could be canned. ND is simply not going to get the top kids consistently with all the programs limitations and NIL.

#9 class is about as good as ND is going to do. Certainly not Top 5 unless Freeman outperforms BK as a HC in terms of winning great games and limits losses. I think short of CFP type run a 7 - 10th ranked class is excellent.

 

[IrishLion]

ND Twitter bros are losing their minds because Scott told Davis that he hears from Washington once every couple of weeks, while the other schools are in touch almost daily.

If he's feeling exhausted by the process and might shut it down soon, I could see why Washington would play the "give you some space" card to try and make ND stand out in a positive way.

The real problem is the general top-8 group, though. They want a good education... but a big enough NIL deal can make that a lower priority.

It might be true that Washington needs to give more effort, even if Scott is exhausted by the attention. It might also be true that Freeman and Washington know that pressing for Scott is a fool's errand at this point.

We won't know until February '24 when Loy does his recruiting "Tell All" post.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Spot on, Lion. Freeman, Golden and Washington are having the actual conversations with Justin. If they are getting the impression he's burned out and want to give him room based on speaking to him directly, that's the best play. I don't know how you call a recruit every single day and not come off as annoying. What can you possibly talk about every 24 hours?

"Hey big guy, any corn in your shit today?"

Exhausted and shutting it down soon for the sake of doing so sounds like an eventual flip later on.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Not sure if Irishdrunk mentioned it or not, but Washington will be at his HS Friday. He will be working to secure a return visit.

https://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/80678

 

[rtrn2glory]

Yea I'd go ahead and let him commit somewhere else and then continue to check in and maybe swoop in during the season during pancake season.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Spot on, Lion. Freeman, Golden and Washington are having the actual conversations with Justin. If they are getting the impression he's burned out and want to give him room based on speaking to him directly, that's the best play. I don't know how you call a recruit every single day and not come off as annoying. What can you possibly talk about every 24 hours?

"Hey big guy, any corn in your shit today?"

Exhausted and shutting it down soon for the sake of doing so sounds like an eventual flip later on.

To add, a talent like Justin Scott is getting daily messages and communications from many programs, their head coaches, coordinators, position coaches, head of recruiting departments and operations like a Chad Bowden... on top of that, there are the recruiting reporters for each of these teams, which some have multiple talking heads and publications, and then there are the national unaffiliated recruiting websites that reach out from time to time as well.

Some of these players take and make as many daily calls and communications as business owners, both large and small. And then they need to worry and put focus into their school work, their relationships, their craft, etc.

It comes with the territory, but this is a lot for 16, 17, 18 year olds.

Some ask for it because they really want that level of attention, it's validating, but most don't.

 

[Dale]

I think we’re giving too much credit to planning and strategy here.

He wants more attention from ND = $$$


Whenever the recruit wants to seemingly deliver a message through a reporter, which IB falls for consistently, it’s an alarm bell.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

If people here don't want Al Washington anymore, who do we want to replace him? Most guys can make a hell of a lot more money recruiting DL in the SEC with way less restrictions academically and a lot more runway with NIL shenanigans, JUCO access and the portal. Washington attended a Catholic HS and Boston College. He checks a couple of culture boxes in that respect. He's a young guy.

Viable targets to replace him?

 

[ab2cmiller]

It might be true that Washington needs to give more effort, even if Scott is exhausted by the attention. It might also be true that Freeman and Washington know that pressing for Scott is a fool's errand at this point.

I think it's this. ND knows they can't provide the NIL that he's looking for. Only so many hours in the day. Prioritize those hours in ways that might actually result in favorable outcomes for other players. If that means Washington only communicates once a week or once every two weeks, so be it.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

If people here don't want Al Washington anymore, who do we want to replace him? Most guys can make a hell of a lot more money recruiting DL in the SEC with way less restrictions academically and a lot more runway with NIL shenanigans, JUCO access and the portal. Washington attended a Catholic HS and Boston College. He checks a couple of culture boxes in that respect. He's a young guy.

Viable targets to replace him?

I'm not advocating it but Mike Elston might be looking for a job in a couple of weeks.

 

[PolishDomer]

I personally do not understand all this hate towards Washington...the DL performed decently and had some push in most games...

 

[notredomer23]

I personally do not understand all this hate towards Washington...the DL performed decently and had some push in most games...

It's even weirder that it's seemingly over a junior in high school. the IB army found their next scapegoat though, so don't expect the venom to stop no matter what he does.

 

[Dale]

I personally do not understand all this hate towards Washington...the DL performed decently and had some push in most games...

It's even weirder that it's seemingly over a junior in high school. the IB army found their next scapegoat though, so don't expect the venom to stop no matter what he does.

I don’t understand the need for who’s the coach that we should fire. Like I really want someone to lose their job is a weird hill to always live on.

Outside of Rees, O Leary and Mickens, these guys are literally 12 months more or less on the job here.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm not advocating it but Mike Elston might be looking for a job in a couple of weeks.

Do you think that ship has probably sailed?

Top guy for me is Charlie Partridge from Pitt. He's been a DC, HC at FAU, coached JJ Watt at Wisconsin and is the best of both worlds in terms of developing DL and recruiting. He has very deep connections in Florida. He's probably making somewhere in the range of $535-550K.

However, I don't think it is time to hand Washington a pink slip based on some wet pant whining and irrational panic on a message board.

 

[ColinKSU]

It's even weirder that it's seemingly over a junior in high school. the IB army found their next scapegoat though, so don't expect the venom to stop no matter what he does.

Washington and O'Leary are the two assistants I'm lowest on, but I think the bold is a big part of it.

If you watch Driskell long enough because you hate yourself and need the content, you can pick up on how they spin a narrative. I don't know what really happened, but Al became public enemy #1 when Driskell became convinced Al and exclusively Al - and not anything to do with Ohio State or their legendary DL coach doing a good job recruiting him - is the reason ND didn't get Jason Moore. Nothing Al could ever do going forward would get him back in the good graces.

 

[NDMatt91]

If people here don't want Al Washington anymore, who do we want to replace him? Most guys can make a hell of a lot more money recruiting DL in the SEC with way less restrictions academically and a lot more runway with NIL shenanigans, JUCO access and the portal. Washington attended a Catholic HS and Boston College. He checks a couple of culture boxes in that respect. He's a young guy.

Viable targets to replace him?

Maybe Nick Eason? I'm not sure if he'd leave Clemson, though.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Do you think that ship has probably sailed?

Top guy for me is Charlie Partridge from Pitt. He's been a DC, HC at FAU, coached JJ Watt at Wisconsin and is the best of both worlds in terms of developing DL and recruiting. He has very deep connections in Florida. He's probably making somewhere in the range of $535-550K.

However, I don't think it is time to hand Washington a pink slip based on some wet pant whining and irrational panic on a message board.

I'm just saying that people might have a ready answer for your hypothetical soon.

I agree that the ire toward Washington is unfounded. The DL was good this year. The panic about the 2023 DL seems to only be coming from outside the program.

 

[greyhammer90]

I'm not advocating it but Mike Elston might be looking for a job in a couple of weeks.

I get the sense that this bridge is burned. I could be wrong about that, but I don't think Elston has much interest in returning to ND as a position coach, and I don't think Freeman has much interest in offering Elston any job above position coach.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Washington and O'Leary are the two assistants I'm lowest on, but I think the bold is a big part of it.

If you watch Driskell long enough because you hate yourself and need the content, you can pick up on how they spin a narrative. I don't know what really happened, but Al became public enemy #1 when Driskell became convinced Al and exclusively Al - and not anything to do with Ohio State or their legendary DL coach doing a good job recruiting him - is the reason ND didn't get Jason Moore. Nothing Al could ever do going forward would get him back in the good graces.

Let me guess, IB was left with egg on their face because they publicly declared he was going to choose ND?