'24 IL DL Justin Scott (Miami [FL] Verbal)

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The kid wants some upfront cash? Who da thunk??

Can imagine how often the staff must tell these 5 Star Studs: “No no don’t take that upfront money- we should be able to get you more in a year or two provided you do 30 hours of community service.”
 
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Well I believe there was some hope...just based on that St Ignatius is one of the top prep schools in IL and a big feeder school to ND for students...oh well...
 
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ThePiombino said:
Lotta blame in Washington's direction here, but we're a hat on the table of a kid presumably chasing the bag. How is that AW's fault? Can't blame him for not landing kids like this, but we can blame him if he doesn't have a plan 1B.
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Yeah, I wouldn't put Scott on Washington. Some kids are gonna chase the bag. And they're not coming to ND no matter where they go to high school.

But isn't the worry that in basically a year on the job Washington has landed one Top 200 DL (Traore) (Vernon was an Elston commit), and three other guys who feel more like projects - Houstan, Mukam and Wafle -, while losing Keeley (also an Elston commit) without a backup option, and then Davis-Swain. That's probably the weakest recruiting of any position group on the team. Transfer outcomes haven't been great either, but hopefully we bring in Vaughns at least.

At some point Washington needs to show something on the trail. Hopefully it happens this spring.
 
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Jiggafini19Deux said:
There has to be somebody to blame. Stuff can't just happen, you can't just get beat, life can't simply have disappointments.

There has to be someone to point the finger at.
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Who are you putting the finger at when it's NIL? Unless the administration what's us to turn into Texas A&M with over 30 transfers it's never gonna happen.
 
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NDFAN2008 said:
Who are you putting the finger at when it's NIL? Unless the administration what's us to turn into Texas A&M with over 30 transfers it's never gonna happen.
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This. Washington can only do so much. Freeman can only do so much. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars guaranteed. We just don't play that way, no matter how good of a pitch, academics, playing time, etc. we give these kids.
 
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Al Washington receives a lot of flack, and some of it is deserved. He wasn't able to close the Jason Moore recruitment when we had the lead, for example. On the field, it was frustrating to see the DL fail to wrap up QB's. But if/when we miss out on Justin Scott I don't see how you can blame him since it appears there are factors in his recruitment that are out of Washington's control (namely, NIL). I get it that Washington has become a whipping boy for some. Heck, he's probably my least favorite coach on the staff. But if/when Scott commits to a big-time NIL school I don't see how Washington can be blamed for that.
 
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NDMatt91 said:
Al Washington receives a lot of flack, and some of it is deserved. He wasn't able to close the Jason Moore recruitment when we had the lead, for example. On the field, it was frustrating to see the DL fail to wrap up QB's. But if/when we miss out on Justin Scott I don't see how you can blame him since it appears there are factors in his recruitment that are out of Washington's control (namely, NIL). I get it that Washington has become a whipping boy for some. Heck, he's probably my least favorite coach on the staff. But if/when Scott commits to a big-time NIL school I don't see how Washington can be blamed for that.
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didnt we find out super late that Moore had pre-existing relationship with Larry Johnson?

Sure Washington could have overcame that but maybe not? It just seemed like the beat didnt even know that large detail in his recruitment when all the talk was ND being favorite.
 
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The Al Washington hate is weird. When Keeley was firmly committed and they had just wrapped up Houstan and Traore, we were borderline in "Al Washington is a Gangsta" thread territory.

In terms of actual game performance, Foskey was 1 sack off the single season record and ND, they were 37th in rush defense, 16th in sacks, and 40th in TFLs.

Is it because Keeley decommitted and they didn't get a top 150 replacement at Vyper and Lacey transferred?? Genuinely curious as there was no real drop off in performance from Elston.
 
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NDpendent said:
We were his 14th offer but other big school started getting involved with him before they offered him.

Regardless there was no reason we should have waited as long as we did to offer him
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You know, it is possible that the kid(s) just never wanted to come to ND right? That is possible.
 
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NDMatt91 said:
Al Washington receives a lot of flack, and some of it is deserved. He wasn't able to close the Jason Moore recruitment when we had the lead, for example. On the field, it was frustrating to see the DL fail to wrap up QB's. But if/when we miss out on Justin Scott I don't see how you can blame him since it appears there are factors in his recruitment that are out of Washington's control (namely, NIL). I get it that Washington has become a whipping boy for some. Heck, he's probably my least favorite coach on the staff. But if/when Scott commits to a big-time NIL school I don't see how Washington can be blamed for that.
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What does that even mean, "we had the lead"? At one point, this kid or someone in his "camp" tells someone "ND leads right now." Everyone gets excited over what, exactly?

You lead when you have a signature. Period.

Way too many people put too much stock into the rumors and reports all these goofs float out there. How much reality each individual fan puts into ND "leading" for a guy who hasn't taken a visit or hasn't signed a letter of intent is done at your own risk.
 
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notredomer23 said:
The Al Washington hate is weird. When Keeley was firmly committed and they had just wrapped up Houstan and Traore, we were borderline in "Al Washington is a Gangsta" thread territory.

In terms of actual game performance, Foskey was 1 sack off the single season record and ND, they were 37th in rush defense, 16th in sacks, and 40th in TFLs.

Is it because Keeley decommitted and they didn't get a top 150 replacement at Vyper and Lacey transferred?? Genuinely curious as there was no real drop off in performance from Elston.
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"Hate" is probably overstating it (at least from my perspective) and yes our veteran returning DL had a solid year.

But looking forward we have some depth concerns at a position where having depth is huge. We inexplicably lost an outbound transfer who'd be in the two-deep if not a starter next season. (Also Justin A. though probably he was just ready to move on with life.) We haven't had a ton of luck yet bringing guys in through the portal. And we did not actually land Keeley or anyone else who would seem to move the needle on DL talent in '23 or as yet in '24, when almost every other position group seems to be upgrading.

So, fair to say there are questions? Let's check back this time next year and see how they're answered.
 
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NDpendent said:
We were his 14th offer but other big school started getting involved with him before they offered him.

Regardless there was no reason we should have waited as long as we did to offer him
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So you’re judging when ND offered versus other schools started recruiting him. Interesting. ND saw him in January, when a GA was covering Elston’s job. Anything before that is Elston. This is unnecessarily grasping for something. Speed to recruiting him has no bearing here that I can see.
 
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NDpendent said:
I don't know how true this is but Shaun on LL said early in 2022 that he was a huge fan of ND and was waiting for their offer. It might not have mattered anyways once the big boys started getting involved and he saw how much he could make up front but you still shouldn't wait that long to offer elite talent, you never know.
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stlnd01 said:
"Hate" is probably overstating it (at least from my perspective) and yes our veteran returning DL had a solid year.

But looking forward we have some depth concerns at a position where having depth is huge. We inexplicably lost an outbound transfer who'd be in the two-deep if not a starter next season. (Also Justin A. though probably he was just ready to move on with life.) We haven't had a ton of luck yet bringing guys in through the portal. And we did not actually land Keeley or anyone else who would seem to move the needle on DL talent in '23 or as yet in '24, when almost every other position group seems to be upgrading.

So, fair to say there are questions? Let's check back this time next year and see how they're answered.
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I guess questions are fair, but I've seen some (not necessarily on this board) call him the weak link and on the hot seat. I just don't think that's fair since he has been here for literally less than a year. If he strikes out on the '24 class and we see a large regression on the field without any of the young guys showing promise, then totally fine and warranted IMO.
 
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Dale said:
So you’re judging when ND offered versus other schools started recruiting him. Interesting. ND saw him in January, when a GA was covering Elston’s job. Anything before that is Elston. This is unnecessarily grasping for something. Speed to recruiting him has no bearing here that I can see.
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Washington was hired in the middle of January and we offering Scott in May. He is a 5 star talent that was high on Notre Dame. There is no reason to wait that long on an offer. Speed to recruiting is important. Sure it might not have mattered in the long run but it could have had an impact, we will never know but it doesn't mean you should wait in the event it could have played a role.
 
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stlnd01 said:
"Hate" is probably overstating it (at least from my perspective) and yes our veteran returning DL had a solid year.

But looking forward we have some depth concerns at a position where having depth is huge. We inexplicably lost an outbound transfer who'd be in the two-deep if not a starter next season. (Also Justin A. though probably he was just ready to move on with life.) We haven't had a ton of luck yet bringing guys in through the portal. And we did not actually land Keeley or anyone else who would seem to move the needle on DL talent in '23 or as yet in '24, when almost every other position group seems to be upgrading.

So, fair to say there are questions? Let's check back this time next year and see how they're answered.
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ND doesn't seem to be acting like they believe there are serious depth concerns. They didn't pursue a bunch of people in the portal and it sounds like they didn't fight as hard as expected to keep Justin Ademilola on board.

Beat writers have less practice access than under Kelly so all we have to go by for the younger players is their paltry number of snaps this year.
 
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NDpendent said:
Sure it might not have mattered in the long run but it could have had an impact, we will never know but it doesn't mean you should wait in the event it could have played a role.
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Considering if he sticks to his Top 8, he has a 7 out of 8 chance of committing to a school that offered in May or later, I would say it didn’t matter.

There isn’t always a smoking gun why we lost a given recruitment. Like if that one thing was done differently we win.
 
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Dale said:
Considering if he sticks to his Top 8, he has a 7 out of 8 chance of committing to a school that offered in May or later, I would say it didn’t matter.

There isn’t always a smoking gun why we lost a given recruitment. Like if that one thing was done differently we win.
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Exactly, but for a lot of people on the board, there has to be.

The reality isn't that every single offer should sign with ND and they have to turn people away. Twas the case before NIL. These are teenaged boys with free will and the vast majority didn't grow up watching ND Football like everyone here did. They're recruits, not fans. Attending a Catholic HS in Chicago doesn't mean what it did 30 years ago. Recruiting went national a long time ago. NIL probably makes it a bit moreso. Every state school probably wonders how the hell ND nips recruits out from under them on the flipside of the discussion.

Sooner or later you have to bring some perspective and logic into the thought process. Just because a recruit goes in a different direction doesn't mean that the coaching staff fucked it up. It's business and life, where you do all that you can and do it correctly but miss out on a partnership or a deal. It happens. There doesn't need to be someone to blame or incompetence to make the situation what it is.
 
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calvegas04 said:
Not sure why we can't blame Washington and Feeeman here, everyone was quick to throw Rees under the bus for a similar situation.
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Not really? At least not yet.

I was eager to throw Rees under the bus because he didn’t read the room when it was clear for months that Dante Moore was looking for something Notre Dame wasn’t offering.

Now if Al Washington refuses to recruit other DL because he’s convinced Justin isn’t interested in the bag, I’m going to pull a muscle with how hard I’m directing him towards the treads.
 
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