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[Irish du Nord]

Them no good kids should loose there scholarships.

Them no good boosters should lose their programs.

Keep in place the immediate and unlimited transfer rule but it only applies to programs being punished for recruiting infractions

 

[notredomer23]

U.S. Senators Tommy Tuberville, Joe Manchin announce NIL feedback

Sens. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) and Joe Manchin (D-WV) released initial feedback regarding their bipartisan NIL bill drafting process.

www.on3.com

The American Athletic Conference wants to keep boosters out of recruiting.

The American’s response to Sens. Tuberville and Manchin stated, “…collectives should be prohibited from any participation in the process of soliciting an individual’s enrollment at the institution. The intent of NIL legislation was to allow student-athletes to find legitimate opportunities to be compensated for the use of their NIL; it was not to find a way around the rules that would allow boosters to be involved in the recruiting process.”

The Autonomy 5 conferences, commonly known as the Power 5, had a similar stance. The commissioners of the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC sent Sens. Tuberville and Manchin a letter in August.

The full letter is available here.

The five commissioners’ joint letter stated, “…it appears boosters are inducing high school and potential transfer student-athletes to attend their favored universities with payments inaccurately labeled as NIL licenses, with no connection to the value of any endorsement or NIL activity.”

 

[stlnd01]

By the letter of the law, inducements should be prohibited. If Wetzel clearly wants a different law, whatever, he can feel that way. But the NCAA cannot continue as a toothless organization without the ability to enforce its own NIL rules.

And yet...

Either way, policing against inducements is almost impossible. Especially now that kids have agents? And the money's not coming from the school but from some fan? There are just so many plausibly deniable ways to get a message to a kid/family that there's $1M waiting for him if he transfers to a particular school. You couldn't possibly stop that. Far easier to regulate the actual transferring.

 

[jprue24]

As a sports reporter, one would think he knows that any sports league does not operate on a truly free market. You cannot simply go offer a player on another team money without any guardrails in place because that is literally tampering.

This doesn’t have to be an all or nothing issue. NIL is good for the sport with parameters so boosters aren’t cherry picking players from current college teams. Also, just clarify if you can offer recruits NIL upfront. I don’t get why this has to be so controversial especially for reporters to lecture us fans that it has to be a free for all or you hate kids making money.

First, as Wenzel said..."It is always worth remembering that these players are neither employees nor under contract to their schools."

The reason you can't just go offer a player on another team in other (professional) sports is because they are employees under contract. The minute they aren't, any team can go after them. As of this moment, all college students are "free agents". I believe the NCAA is allowing for immediate transfers to avoid getting crushed in court again.

But this is about NIL and no sport has restrictions on NIL. None.

 

[notredomer23]

Rumors swirling that A&M has suspended Denver Harris, Chris Marshall, PJ Williams, and Anthony Lucas indefinitely for smoking weed in the locker room.

For reference, that’s the 23, 25, 59, and 65th ranked players in the 2022 class.

 

[Irish#1]

What's dumb about this opinion is that in a vacuum they are correct. There's nothing bad about people making money. But looking at the big picture, this kind of behavior (specifically de facto free agency with at-whim cash payments) could literally destroy college football and strangle the "golden goose" and then everyone loses. It could also put kids in unenviable situations where they are promised something to do something and it doesn't work out and they're left holding the bag. That's the whole point of rules and regulations.

100% correct. Those that favor a wide open unrestrictive environment should really think about this, because it will ruin CFB. I'm hoping the new NCAA president recognizes the problems and has the balls to implement rules that will keep the playing field as level as possible.

 

[Irish#1]

Rumors swirling that A&M has suspended Denver Harris, Chris Marshall, PJ Williams, and Anthony Lucas indefinitely for smoking weed in the locker room.

For reference, that’s the 23, 25, 59, and 65th ranked players in the 2022 class.

Jimbo sure has that program rolling.

 

[irishff1014]

Rumors swirling that A&M has suspended Denver Harris, Chris Marshall, PJ Williams, and Anthony Lucas indefinitely for smoking weed in the locker room.

For reference, that’s the 23, 25, 59, and 65th ranked players in the 2022 class.

If true again you can’t make this up.

 

[GowerND11]

Rumors swirling that A&M has suspended Denver Harris, Chris Marshall, PJ Williams, and Anthony Lucas indefinitely for smoking weed in the locker room.

For reference, that’s the 23, 25, 59, and 65th ranked players in the 2022 class.

They were just filming a tiktok to fulfill their NIL deal with Zig Zag. They good kids!

 

[Dale]

I think there’s a reason Elko decided it was time to take a HC job

This is good for the sport that A$Ms class immediately backfired.

 

[notredomer23]

We're on the weirdest timeline where Jimbo is going to end up being the biggest advocate for NIL regulation.

 

[Dale]

One of the A&M reporters responded to a fan saying they’re surprised it wasn’t Smoke Bouie (another top freshman recruit) and he said he’s gone too anyways.

How many of these guys from the 2022 class are even surviving a semester lol

 

[notredomer23]

One of the A&M reporters responded to a fan saying they’re surprised it wasn’t Smoke Bouie (another top freshman recruit) and he said he’s gone too anyways.

How many of these guys from the 2022 class are even surviving a semester lol

LJ Johnson quit the team apparently too.

If Texas A&M is going to play this game, seems a much better model for their NIL funds would be investing heavily in transfers rather than recruits. You at least somewhat know what you're getting with a transfer.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Rumors swirling that A&M has suspended Denver Harris, Chris Marshall, PJ Williams, and Anthony Lucas indefinitely for smoking weed in the locker room.

For reference, that’s the 23, 25, 59, and 65th ranked players in the 2022 class.

Medicinal or are they self medicating from losing to South Carolina?

 

[zelezo vlk]

In the visitor locker room before the game, per the rumor

 

[Free Manera]

New guidelines just issued today laying out what schools/collectives can and cannot do:

New NIL Guidance

Long story short, ND and FUND can do a hell of a lot more than they thought they could. Hopefully since it is now so black and white they will stop being such baby back bitches about it.

Here is the Athletic article about it for subscribers: NCAA D-1 Board of Directors Issues New NIL Guidance

 

[Irish#1]

So the NCAA threw their hands up and said F### It! Do whatever you want.

 

[MacIrish75]

Jimbo sure has that program rolling.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

So the NCAA threw their hands up and said F### It! Do whatever you want.

We got new transfer rules because a handful of kids lawyered up, the NCAA didn't have the resources to handle the case load, and decided to capitulate.

They don't stand a chance against the resources of 130 booster armies and the membership doesn't want to foot the bill.

 

[MacIrish75]

Jimbo sure has that program rolling.

To be blunt, aTm is really in the weeds. These are guys that could really help them make a bowl.

 

[Dale]

 

[Dale]

Anyone know if actually playing, assuming health, is commonly written into these NIL deals for current players? I don’t think I’ve seen a single significant opt out during the season.

I can think of many I am taking an redshirt instances to then transfer, but not any opt out for the NFL like we saw growing common recently. Wonder what bowl season will look like.

 

[IrishLax]

This is what happens when you don't have real contracts and get kids to ink NLI with a "signing bonus." This is a Texas A&M linebacker from 2022, and it shows why the Texas A&M model is wholly unsustainable. I continue to believe that the biggest NIL payments will be for proven players to transfer with a handful of HS QBs, 5-stars, etc. continuing to get large up front promises of money which may or may not work out for either party.

Beyond that, it will be about compensating players on your roster so that they do not look to transfer themselves.

 

[irishff1014]

This is what happens when you don't have real contracts and get kids to ink NLI with a "signing bonus." This is a Texas A&M linebacker from 2022, and it shows why the Texas A&M model is wholly unsustainable. I continue to believe that the biggest NIL payments will be for proven players to transfer with a handful of HS QBs, 5-stars, etc. continuing to get large up front promises of money which may or may not work out for either party.

Beyond that, it will be about compensating players on your roster so that they do not look to transfer themselves.

And this only one of the major issues with the NIL like this. Man I hope this burns A&M so bad.

 

[Riddickulous]

I think one of the bigger impacts that we're already seeing from NIL and insta transfers is a decline in the quality of play. Very difficult to field a good team when you're replacing half your roster every year.

 

[Irish#1]

This is what happens when you don't have real contracts and get kids to ink NLI with a "signing bonus." This is a Texas A&M linebacker from 2022, and it shows why the Texas A&M model is wholly unsustainable. I continue to believe that the biggest NIL payments will be for proven players to transfer with a handful of HS QBs, 5-stars, etc. continuing to get large up front promises of money which may or may not work out for either party.

Beyond that, it will be about compensating players on your roster so that they do not look to transfer themselves.

It's going to take 2-3 years for the water to find its level, but it won't be at it's current level for sure. Would love to know the current thoughts of the aTm boosters with this transfer and the overwhelming success of this year.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I think one of the bigger impacts that we're already seeing from NIL and insta transfers is a decline in the quality of play. Very difficult to field a good team when you're replacing half your roster every year.

And the supply is only where it is right now thanks to the COVID year in 2020. In a couple of years there will be significantly fewer upperclassmen floating around.

 

[Free Manera]

This is what happens when you don't have real contracts and get kids to ink NLI with a "signing bonus." This is a Texas A&M linebacker from 2022, and it shows why the Texas A&M model is wholly unsustainable. I continue to believe that the biggest NIL payments will be for proven players to transfer with a handful of HS QBs, 5-stars, etc. continuing to get large up front promises of money which may or may not work out for either party.

Beyond that, it will be about compensating players on your roster so that they do not look to transfer themselves.

I think NIL for high school recruits is going to chill out eventually because of situations like this. I think you will still see the top 10-20 recruits get 7 figure deals, but beyond that it should get much more reasonable. Too many big money boosters getting burned like this.

However, until the NCAA reins in NIL for transfers, THAT will be the real battle. Proven players looking to use their one time transfer are a much more sure thing as free agents. That is where NIL money is going to be focused I think.

 

[NDohio]

I think it's gonna be really interesting to see where this goes in the near future. NIL was a huge disaster for Texas A&M when paying up front money for recruits but extremely successful for USC using NIL along with the transfer portal. Two very different approaches with two very different results.

Remember though - even Lincoln Riley, after he built his team says their needs to be better controls.

“I think at some point we’ll have to put in some guardrails. … I think it’s difficult for players, difficult for coaches, difficult to build rosters.”

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I think it's gonna be really interesting to see where this goes in the near future. NIL was a huge disaster for Texas A&M when paying up front money for recruits but extremely successful for USC using NIL along with the transfer portal. Two very different approaches with two very different results.

Remember though - even Lincoln Riley, after he built his team says their needs to be better controls.

“I think at some point we’ll have to put in some guardrails. … I think it’s difficult for players, difficult for coaches, difficult to build rosters.”

It's hard to tell if NIL was a disaster for A&M. Obviously kids are getting the bag and leaving, but would they stay if they went 10-2 with a NY6 win?