Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

[arahop]

We rank 117 out of 120 teams in Offensive Points per game. Tom Rees...if Tommy played at say Western Michigan, he wouldn't be calling plays against Cal. Does CJ Carr still commit?

 

[BilboBaggins]

Maybe with a new QB Tommy Rees might feel inclined to work in some easy routes like, say, a slant route. Or maybe a screen here or there. Or maybe roll the pocket to reduce reads.

I watched Marshall utilize these things last week, yet it seems like Rees doesn't know they exist.

If teams aren't playing zone coverage because they think your WRs suck, it's probably wise to run nifty pick plays and slants until they change course.

Seems like his idea of creating mismatches is putting Mayer on a deep out route...one of the harder route to throw.

Just seems like Rees is being too smart for his own good. Yeah, NDs receiving corp is mediocre. But they're still good athletes and probably better than the opponent. Sometimes simpler is better.

 

[phillyirish]

Honestly at this point I think Tommy either has an ego issue, where he thinks because he played with a Noodle arm that his QBs should have one too. Or he’s just an emasculated man who refuses to have a QB with superior arm strength to him, which limits it to players who can only throw the ball 17 yards.

We got 3 QBs where the only way they could get the ball 40 yards downfield would be if they stood 15 yard apart and relayed it there.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Honestly at this point I think Tommy either has an ego issue, where he thinks because he played with a Noodle arm that his QBs should have one too. Or he’s just an emasculated man who refuses to have a QB with superior arm strength to him, which limits it to players who can only throw the ball 17 yards.

We got 3 QBs where the only way they could get the ball 40 yards downfield would be if they stood 15 yard apart and relayed it there.

I don't think it's that, because I wouldn't constitute Buchner as having a "noodle" arm. Neither did Jurkovec. Angeli's arm isn't a cannon, but it's definitely not a "noodle" arm either.

I think the problem is that Tommy doesn't seem to know what he wants in his personnel. I recall him saying that he wanted to bring players in to the point where he wasn't looking for players to meet a specific skillset but wanted to craft the offense to best cater to their strengths.

Well, I feel like we're seeing the negative aspect of this. You can't develop scheme continuity when you're constantly having drastically different types of QBs. Going from Ian Book to Jack Coan to Tyler Buchner is about as wildly different as you can get. They're all basically nowhere near the same QB.

You need to have an identity, and recruit to best serve said identity. Flexibility is fine, but having to consistently change things from season to season is only going to hinder progress and make his job that much harder.

 

[ulukinatme]

Honestly at this point I think Tommy either has an ego issue, where he thinks because he played with a Noodle arm that his QBs should have one too. Or he’s just an emasculated man who refuses to have a QB with superior arm strength to him, which limits it to players who can only throw the ball 17 yards.

We got 3 QBs where the only way they could get the ball 40 yards downfield would be if they stood 15 yard apart and relayed it there.

This would make sense if someone was looking to get fired, but most coaches are looking to keep their jobs. I don't think any of these statements is true given that reality. The guy loves ND, otherwise he would have left for any of the other opportunities in the off-season.

You need to have an identity, and recruit to best serve said identity. Flexibility is fine, but having to consistently change things from season to season is only going to hinder progress and make his job that much harder.

Very true, you need an identity. Consistently changing things from season to season would certainly keep opposing defenses guessing though But in all seriousness, pick a direction and recruit for that offense.

 

[T-Boone]

Goolsby reckons Rees does not know which RB is on the field any given play call.

 

[T-Boone]

Jon Gruden wants back into coaching. OC?

 

[Irish#1]

They they are, emerging on the Serengeti. They are know on the plains as the watecarrier tribe. They easily fall for the newest thing amd cling on to it no matter the evidence.

Emerging what? You need to learn how to control your emotions. If you took the time to read, you'd see that I'm questioning Tommy. But answer me this all mighty one. How many new coaches have been fired in their first year going 0-2? Don't throw the 0-3 at me because anyone with any sense knows the Fiesta doesn't count due to the demands on Freeman's time as he was getting settled in. Surprised you haven't called for Jenkins head.

 

[NDMatt91]

Chris Tyree not getting more touches is a fireable offense on its own. He should never come off the field - whether he's in the backfield or in the slot.

 

[ThePiombino]

Chris Tyree not getting more touches is a fireable offense on its own. He should never come off the field - whether he's in the backfield or in the slot.

Add it to the list of questions we would all love answers to...

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

They likely need to retool the entire offensive staff this off-season baring miraculous turnaround with Angeli. But the idea that a true frosh is going to come in and light it up with this OL seems far fetched.

100%.

But all the offensive geniuses on message boards and Twitter would be able to put up 40 points a game regardless.

 

[IrishLion]

100%.

But all the offensive geniuses on message boards and Twitter would be able to put up 40 points a game regardless.

Listen, if I can score 70 ppg on Heisman settings (with sliders too, so don't @ me) on NCAA14 while running nothing but read options and four verts, there's no reason Tommy can't cook some shit up in real life. It's not rocket science.

 

[notredomer23]

Idk what happened after the spring game, but the page of the playbook that has all the RB screen passes that were awesome against OK St and in the spring game must have disappeared.

 

[bkess8]

I listened to the Mike Goolsby podcast and loved how he put a lot of the blame on the players and emphasized that they need to hold each other accountable. I also liked how he was puzzled watching other college games and gave the example of Ga St vs Nebraska and how their QB was slinging the rock around and the offense was moving the football. It is my opinion that we don’t need a gadget offense but something that fits the players we are recruiting would be key. I don’t think Rees has the ability to call plays that matches who is in the locker room. Rees also has a poor track record in the QB development department.

 

[bkess8]

Listen, if I can score 70 ppg on Heisman settings (with sliders too, so don't @ me) on NCAA14 while running nothing but read options and four verts, there's no reason Tommy can't cook some shit up in real life. It's not rocket science.

Do you know how many points I would score with TB as my QB!!!

 

[irish4ever]

Idk what happened after the spring game, but the page of the playbook that has all the RB screen passes that were awesome against OK St and in the spring game must have disappeared.

Rees goes ... "What's a RB screen pass? Do we such a thing in our playbook"?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Rees goes ... "What's a RB screen pass? Do we such a thing in our playbook"?

I see a lot of people online talking about screen passes. It seems to be the go to solution for 7 out of 10 people.

 

[Rack Em]

I see a lot of people online talking about screen passes. It seems to be the go to solution for 7 out of 10 people.

The majority of casual football fans 1) understand screen passes and 2) hear commentators talk about them. It's a way of sounding smart.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

The majority of casual football fans 1) understand screen passes and 2) hear commentators talk about them. It's a way of sounding smart.

Bubble or Tunnel ?

 

[ThePiombino]

I listened to the Mike Goolsby podcast and loved how he put a lot of the blame on the players and emphasized that they need to hold each other accountable. I also liked how he was puzzled watching other college games and gave the example of Ga St vs Nebraska and how their QB was slinging the rock around and the offense was moving the football. It is my opinion that we don’t need a gadget offense but something that fits the players we are recruiting would be key. I don’t think Rees has the ability to call plays that matches who is in the locker room. Rees also has a poor track record in the QB development department.

Was refreshing, but to be fair I found it interesting how, in the same breath, he dogged Foskey for getting in teammates' faces on the sidelines.

I see a lot of people online talking about screen passes. It seems to be the go to solution for 7 out of 10 people.

To be fair, it does seem a logical counter to an overly aggressive defense.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Just for Funzies, can we start a "wish list" of QB/OC candidates?

Ill start

1) Warren Ruggiero
2) Joe Moorehead - yeah i know
3) StPaul_Irish
4) Anyone else

 

[notredomer23]

I see a lot of people online talking about screen passes. It seems to be the go to solution for 7 out of 10 people.

How do you keep a constantly blitzing defense honest? You run a RB screen. It's not science. ND ran a bunch of them against OK State and in the spring game successfully. Have you seen one yet this year? I am not asking for them to run a dozen of them. Just one or two here and there. I have not called for Rees' head once so this isn't an anti-Rees post.

Also, just because it's the solution of 7 out of 10 people doesn't mean it's wrong. Sometimes the obvious answer is the right answer.

 

[IrishLion]

How do you keep a constantly blitzing defense honest? You run a RB screen. It's not science. ND ran a bunch of them against OK State and in the spring game successfully. Have you seen one yet this year? I am not asking for them to run a dozen of them. Just one or two here and there. I have not called for Rees' head once so this isn't an anti-Rees post.

The really maddening thing is the absence of that halfback angle play that Tommy has modified to basically be a third-down screen/draw.

You run the old reliable angle route, but you do it on a delay with a deeper drop. It allows the RB to find space, and the WR's to clear out and set up blocks deep down field. It used to be Tommy's favorite 3rd down play almost, and worked almost every time he called it.

And now... teams keep blitzing the edges, or sending extra delayed rushers to the edges, or having extra DB's creep up the edges. Guess which play in Tommy's expansive playbook is perfectly designed to take advantage of a defender vacating the space at the second level between the guard and tackle?

You hit them with that ONCE, and suddenly those extra edge defenders are back where they are supposed to be.

To be fair, Tommy countered with RPO's that each had a smoke screen option late in the game, as well as the TE screen to Bauman. But it was far too late an adjustment.

 

[ColinKSU]

Was refreshing, but to be fair I found it interesting how, in the same breath, he dogged Foskey for getting in teammates' faces on the sidelines.

I think the issue with Foskey is that he's getting in people's faces while also not doing his job on the field. Can't be a leader if you aren't producing yourself.

 

[Free Manera]

Was refreshing, but to be fair I found it interesting how, in the same breath, he dogged Foskey for getting in teammates' faces on the sidelines.

To be fair, it does seem a logical counter to an overly aggressive defense.

He dogged him because Foskey did that after the defense gave up that long drive. He was saying the time for that was past, and Foskey was a no show when it counted.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

He dogged him because Foskey did that after the defense gave up that long drive. He was saying the time for that was past, and Foskey was a no show when it counted.

Foskey had 5 tackles (3 solo), 1 sack and 1 TFL against Marshall. Maybe not the level of domination we'd hoped to see, but that's certainly not a "no show" stat line.

 

[Rack Em]

Bubble or Tunnel ?

Smoke

 

[Sea Turtle]

And we wonder why Moores dad didnt trust this offense or these offensive coaches.

 

[IrishLion]

And we wonder why Moores dad didnt trust this offense or these offensive coaches.

I know we're all upset, but you don't have to apply Tommy's shitty offense to everything.

Mr. Moore was chasing the bag, plain and simple. He didn't care about anything else.

The visit to ND was to lock up their spot until someone else got the message and started a bidding war. They got what they wanted, and ND got screwed.

It had nothing to do with ND's actual on-field offerings.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

How do you keep a constantly blitzing defense honest? You run a RB screen. It's not science. ND ran a bunch of them against OK State and in the spring game successfully. Have you seen one yet this year? I am not asking for them to run a dozen of them. Just one or two here and there. I have not called for Rees' head once so this isn't an anti-Rees post.

Also, just because it's the solution of 7 out of 10 people doesn't mean it's wrong. Sometimes the obvious answer is the right answer.

They have no running game. They can't throw the ball downfield.

After the one or two screen passes here or there, then what? You're stuck with the same personnel on the OL that can't open holes for the run game and a passing game that can throw a five yard pass to number 87.

The situation goes beyond screen passes and play calling, which are both elements of the equation but are pieces of a much bigger picture. Look at the number of juniors on this roster right now across the board, for example. The previous staff left significant gaps in this roster. Yes, Tommy Rees was a part of that staff, but they have the cards they have been dealt from a personnel standpoint and can't do anything about it now to upgrade.