Longtime OU WR Coach Resigns

[notredomer23]

 

[notredomer23]

 

[IrishLax]

Truly ridiculous. There’s a huge difference between reading what’s a screen and not self-censoring the content fast enough, and using the N word of your own volition.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

It seems crazy, but would anyone here read that word out loud on accident?

No unless you’re used to saying it on a regular basis.

Btw, I’m as conservative as they come.

 

[notredomer23]

It seems crazy, but would anyone here read that word out loud on accident?

No unless you’re used to saying it on a regular basis.

Btw, I’m as conservative as they come.

I agree on your first point but we weren’t in the room so don’t know how it went down. And that room was unanimous in him staying and accepting the apology. I haven’t seen a single negative thing said about him yet in his 25 years at OU but maybe there’s more to the story.

 

[OhioIrish]

What’s the rationale that supports the notion that resignation is appropriate? Sounds like Gundy was willing to own it, but I doubt he developed that rationale. Seriously, how does a person convince themselves that losing one’s livelihood over this is justice, or progress?

 

[stlnd01]

I agree on your first point but we weren’t in the room so don’t know how it went down. And that room was unanimous in him staying and accepting the apology. I haven’t seen a single negative thing said about him yet in his 25 years at OU but maybe there’s more to the story.

There almost has to be more to the story.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Really interesting/sad situation unfolding in Norman. Cale Gundy accidentally read the N word out loud from one of his players texts. Unacceptable to say and obviously needs to apologize in any context but there’s clearly no intent. Outside of that though, everyone in that room and the team supported him staying but the administration caught wind of it and forced him to resign.

Source needed for bolded. I haven't seen that said anywhere.

There almost has to be more to the story.

Totally agree. It just seems like we don't have the whole story, whether that be with what went down or for his reason for resigning.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

If this is the complete story than this is beyond silly. Joe Mixon wrote a great letter of support for him and touched on a lot of important topics.

CC claims another one ( assuming story has been completely vetted)

 

[du Lac]

State of America. It says a lot when loads of black current and former players are standing up for you. But it doesn’t matter.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm reasonably woke on a lot of topics, but I just think this environment of "make one brain fart and YOUR CAREER IS OVER" is ridiculous. Who is actually helped by him resigning? Not him. Not the players. Not his family. Tell me one actual person whose life is appreciably better from the admin forcing him to resign.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I'm reasonably woke on a lot of topics, but I just think this environment of "make one brain fart and YOUR CAREER IS OVER" is ridiculous. Who is actually helped by him resigning? Not him. Not the players. Not his family. Tell me one actual person whose life is appreciably better from the admin forcing him to resign.

You cannot be reasonable and woke. It is an all in proposition. If you are not full woke you eventually pay the piper. Eventually wokeness eats its own.

 

[pumpdog20]

This is fucking dumb.

 

[du Lac]

It’s funny that Hollywood is driving the woke, but I recall so many woke actors using derogatory words in movies. Ever seen Django? Ever seen Tropic Thunder? It’s going to be fun watching them cannabalize one another for movies they made 20 years ago.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Fuck any institution that doesn't have it's employees backs in situations like this.

Now they look like clowns for implementing a CYA strategy rather than thinking about the individual and circumstance.

 

[Valpodoc85]

I suspect OU has a zero tolerance policy.

 

[Irish du Nord]

You cannot be reasonable and woke. It is an all in proposition. If you are not full woke you eventually pay the piper. Eventually wokeness eats its own.

I don’t understand where the above point comes from, yet somehow it’s everywhere. Eventually any extremists attack their own camp, nothing unique about wokeness. Why is it an all in proposition? In every ideology I can think of, people can accept aspects a la carte, what makes it different in the case of wokeness?

 

[du Lac]

I suspect OU has a zero tolerance policy.

Does that policy permit the reading of primary sources in history classes? Does it permit the showing of civil rights era videos? Or do we burn the books? Do we ban the movies? Blacklist the actors? Should we teach a PG version of what the racists in the south did to blacks? Where does it end? The man read a quote.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

No one reads or says that word on accident unless you’re comfortable using it.
There’s no excuse.

Should he be fired? I lean towards no if the team is supporting him, but it’s hard for me to look at this any other way.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm reasonably woke on a lot of topics, but I just think this environment of "make one brain fart and YOUR CAREER IS OVER" is ridiculous. Who is actually helped by him resigning? Not him. Not the players. Not his family. Tell me one actual person whose life is appreciably better from the admin forcing him to resign.

He's either one of the most 100% standup dudes out there to not be fighting this for the sake of not causing a distraction, or there is more to this story.

And I'm not even saying he's done other things wrong... maybe this is a convenient parting opportunity between him and Venables for some reason? Maybe he's been looking for an out?

Idk, but one word erasing 25 years of time and good will seems crazy heavy-handed.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I don’t understand where the above point comes from, yet somehow it’s everywhere. Eventually any extremists attack their own camp, nothing unique about wokeness. Why is it an all in proposition? In every ideology I can think of, people can accept aspects a la carte, what makes it different in the case of wokeness?

Yes, extremists can attack or lead to the development of faults in any philosophy or movement. In woke culture, it doesn't appear to be a byproduct. Given the rapid nature it devours the world and it's own, it appears to be a foundational tenet that you are never "woke" enough and you need to constantly look for anything terrible, if there's nothing terrible to put the spotlight on, then look for faux-pas, if those don't exist, something could surely be framed to mean something else if you disagree with someone. Then you can try to bat-signal the mob.

Racism is bad.
Sexism is bad.

You don't need to be woke to believe these things so what does being "woke" add?

 

[du Lac]

He's either one of the most 100% standup dudes out there to not be fighting this for the sake of not causing a distraction, or there is more to this story.

And I'm not even saying he's done other things wrong... maybe this is a convenient parting opportunity between him and Venables for some reason? Maybe he's been looking for an out?

Idk, but one word erasing 25 years of time and good will seems crazy heavy-handed.

You could be on to something and if he’s a known racist he should be gone, but don’t underestimate the power and non sensibility of woke nor the fear of not acting harsh for fear of backlash from it.

 

[notredomer23]

OU 247 alluding there may be more to this

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I don’t understand where the above point comes from, yet somehow it’s everywhere. Eventually any extremists attack their own camp, nothing unique about wokeness. Why is it an all in proposition? In every ideology I can think of, people can accept aspects a la carte, what makes it different in the case of wokeness?

Try to accept LGB and not the T. Wokeness is unique because in today's digital world you could be canceled, fired for not submitting. So you either accept all the nuttiness, or you are silent. We see a lot of silence today because people are scared to push back. That is unique, and does not allow an a la carte approach. We have evidence of not accepting all of it will get you launched.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

There almost has to be more to the story.

Yep. Doesn't add up. If I had to guess, something more serious happened and the admin allowed him to resign with this cover story as a way to save face in exchange for his long years of loyal service.

 

[du Lac]

Try to accept LGB and not the T. Wokeness is unique because in today's digital world you could be canceled, fired for not submitting. So you either accept all the nuttiness, or you are silent. We see a lot of silence today because people are scared to push back. That is unique, and does not allow an a la carte approach. We have evidence of not accepting all of it will get you launched.

They will get the silent ones eventually. I’d dare to say that’s next on their agenda.

 

[HouseofPain]

Freedom of speech should never get a person fired. Deliberately doing and saying things that bring issues to your employer when you know it is an issue should be met with counseling before termination. In other words, you get your one written warning. If it turns into an issue, then you dig your own grave.

 

[GATTACA!]

Maybe he really put some stink on it and emphasized it like he was in a Tarantino movie?

 

[IrishLax]

Maybe he really put some stink on it and emphasized it like he was in a Tarantino movie?

 

[NorthDakota]

It seems crazy, but would anyone here read that word out loud on accident?

No unless you’re used to saying it on a regular basis.

Btw, I’m as conservative as they come.

If I was reading a text off someone's phone out loud? It could happen.

Repeating the words of another is fine to me.