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ulukinatme said:
I gotcha. Yeah, surprising number still if it's 1.1 million, but it's at least more believable and less depressing than 22 million. 1.1 million is in no way tolerable still.
Honestly I was pretty surprised by the poll, but there's also a lot of confusion obviously among those polled because of the terms. The nice thing is since Charlottesville the movement is on the decline apparently, so some good came out of the tragedy.
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I may have made a math error it’s late. 3 percent of their total estimates sample size is about 7 million
 
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Cackalacky2.0 said:
And while we are being honest political ideologies are almost always a moxture of social and political courts but the one common thing with hate groups is who they hate.

Right wing extremist groups have a clearly defined cohort of things they hate. Yes there is overlap say as in anti communism. Sure most Americans are anti communismas am I. but they are anticommunist and anti Jew and anti black, and White and Christian and think that there should be political steps taken to harm these cohorts and secure a white Christian nation That’s what makes these people dangerous whether they publically identify as a NAZI or not.These individuals you seem stuck on came from a background where they likely were raised this way and are also currently sharing and passing it on to their nuclear family units. So one individual in the Aryan brotherhood likely has a dozen people that share these ideologies without being public about it.

Getting hung up on the 50 people in the Peoples Front of Cour delane misses the forest of all the people in their orbit that sympathize and perpetuate without publically calling themselves a moniker.
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Further to this point when we we see with our own eyes these individuals popping up at political rallies and coming out of the shadows, the white right wing males carrying tiki touches chanting Jews will not replace us” , clear right wing extremist flags being carried during Jan 6 and any of the other evidence before our eyes that is screaming the party of Trump is one that is at least tacit about their inclusion. This is a problem for the GOP on my opinion.

Where do these people go if Trump loses? These same people flying nazi flags at TPUSA had DeSantis posters too.


And inb4 yes the Dems have heir own problem with leftist ecoterrorists and violent BLM people. We all know that.
 
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Cackalacky2.0 said:
Further to this point when we we see with our own eyes these individuals popping up at political rallies and coming out of the shadows, the white right wing males carrying tiki touches chanting Jews will not replace us” , clear right wing extremist flags being carried during Jan 6 and any of the other evidence before our eyes that is screaming the party of Trump is one that is at least tacit about their inclusion. This is a problem for the GOP on my opinion.

Where do these people go if Trump loses? These same people flying nazi flags at TPUSA had DeSantis posters too.


And inb4 yes the Dems have heir own problem with leftist ecoterrorists and violent BLM people. We all know that.
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I think DeSantis will take a more hard line stance. He's seen the backlash Trump got. Trump would condemn white supremacists a few times, then he would ask why he's getting asked the question again and again and get annoyed, then he would call out both white supremacists and their opposing extremist enemies jointly. It needs to be the consistent first answer every time. DeSantis ran into this earlier in the year and touted his support of Jewish groups and fund raising, so hopefully he takes the hard line stance. If he does I think he'll win over the more moderate independents and secure the primary with an even steady hand.
 
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It got a little heated last night. Sorry for my part.

I think we all agree there is a problem. I guess we just disagree on how big the problem is.
 
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Lookin' his age there. Makeup!
But seriously, less politicians that are 65+. Retire, spend time with your grand kids.
 
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Bishop2b5 said:
No, ST and I are saying that most neo Nazis are misfits and social outcasts who are certainly contemptible, but pale in comparison to actual Nazis, and that claiming everyone you disagree with is a Nazi and that 10% of the people in the US actually want to do real Nazi stuff is asinine made up baloney.
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Most Nazis in 1931 were misfits and social outcasts, too. They didn’t start out opening death camps. As their power grew so did their contempt for and treatment of Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and people with physical and mental disabilities. There is no distinction between modern Nazis and “Real Nazis”.
 
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NDMatt91 said:
If he just went away the GOP and the country would be better off.
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Trump is still front and center because he's to the media like a fix is to a junkie. If they would just quit covering him.........
 
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Irish#1 said:
Trump is still front and center because he's to the media like a fix is to a junkie. If they would just quit covering him.........
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I would agree, but even if they stopped his ego would get in the way and he’d be jealous that others are stealing the spotlight. People close to him have basically confirmed that he is jealous of, and potentially threatened by, Ron DeSantis.

Also worth pointing out that “pro-Democracy” organizations like The Lincoln Project and Meidas Touch have essentially been begging for him, who they’ve said is the biggest threat to democracy, to run again and baiting him to do as such, in addition to trying to get him injected into various races. Last year there was a poll that came out from a conservative conference which showed DeSantis ahead, but Rick Wilson and some of the other LP bros had tweets trying to encourage Trump to run again. They’re doing this because Trump is very beatable in a General Election and has severe limitations, as he consistently underperformed down-ballot Republicans in suburban counties. DeSantis doesn’t alienate these voters who historically vote Republican and split their tickets in 2016 and 2020, so they want Trump in the race to take him out.
 
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I would agree, but even if they stopped his ego would get in the way and he’d be jealous that others are stealing the spotlight. People close to him have basically confirmed that he is jealous of, and potentially threatened by, Ron DeSantis.

Also worth pointing out that “pro-Democracy” organizations like The Lincoln Project and Meidas Touch have essentially been begging for him, who they’ve said is the biggest threat to democracy, to run again and baiting him to do as such, in addition to trying to get him injected into various races. Last year there was a poll that came out from a conservative conference which showed DeSantis ahead, but Rick Wilson and some of the other LP bros had tweets trying to encourage Trump to run again. They’re doing this because Trump is very beatable in a General Election and has severe limitations, as he consistently underperformed down-ballot Republicans in suburban counties. DeSantis doesn’t alienate these voters who historically vote Republican and split their tickets in 2016 and 2020, so they want Trump in the race to take him out.
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Yeah, he has the ego, but even if he's jealous or has the backing of The Lincoln Project no one is going to hear much about him if the media stops. He'd be forced to spend his money to buy air time and that wouldn't be cheap given the amount he'd have to buy to remain in the spotlight.
 
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GoIrish41 said:
Most Nazis in 1931 were misfits and social outcasts, too. They didn’t start out opening death camps. As their power grew so did their contempt for and treatment of Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and people with physical and mental disabilities. There is no distinction between modern Nazis and “Real Nazis”.
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Speaking of Nazis and propaganda, the White House has opted to redefine what a recession is rather than admitting their faults. It's a brave, brave new world...
 
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Jesus, you are an idiot.
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When you can't rely on substance, go to name calling. Strong showing by you once again. It's been more than a week and you still can't tell me how our whole country is doomed if Trump doesn't go to jail lol
 
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Sounded like she was primarily calling out a crazy sentence of 7 years for what her Dad did. I have no clue what he did or if he deserved his sentence.

"Trump deserves life in prison IF my father is in prison for this long" suddenly translates to Daughter calls for life in prison for Trump. Ughh.

I do wish Trump would get something out of this deal.
 
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ab2cmiller said:
Sounded like she was primarily calling out a crazy sentence of 7 years for what her Dad did. I have no clue what he did or if he deserved his sentence.

"Trump deserves life in prison IF my father is in prison for this long" suddenly translates to Daughter calls for life in prison for Trump. Ughh.

I do wish Trump would get something out of this deal.
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He carried weapons and wore tactical gear into the Capital. He was facing 15 years. Government was seeking a terrorism charge based on evidence but the judge did not agree.
 
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If he was stupid enough to take the word of a serial liar as Gospel and believed that dominion machines switched votes and Trump would magically be re-instated then that’s on him. “Stop The Steal” was nothing but a grift. Heck, if Trump had a set of balls he would’ve marched with his supporters. Instead, he waddled his fat ass into a fancy car and went back to the WH.
 
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