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What's your definition of voter suppression? I hear it tossed around a lot as some sort of bogeyman, but never any actual explanation of what it is. Please explain.
voter suppression, in U.S. history and politics, any legal or extralegal measure or strategy whose purpose or practical effect is to reduce voting, or registering to vote, by members of a targeted racial group, political party, or religious community. The overwhelming majority of victims of voter suppression in the United States have been African Americans.
 

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They did enact it. The angry mob broke in and had the secret service so worried they were calling their families to say goodbye and were trying to evacuate Pence out of the building. We’re one Mike Pence growing a backbone away from a far worse outcome that day.
Well, sure Gattaca, easy for you to say. You gonna believe the truth or my lyin' eyes??

 

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voter suppression, in U.S. history and politics, any legal or extralegal measure or strategy whose purpose or practical effect is to reduce voting, or registering to vote, by members of a targeted racial group, political party, or religious community. The overwhelming majority of victims of voter suppression in the United States have been African Americans.
furthermore, there is a TON, a MOUNTAIN of legislative history on the Voting Rights Act of 1965

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 is a landmark piece of federal legislation in the United States that prohibits racial discrimination in voting.[7][8] It was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson during the height of the civil rights movement on August 6, 1965, and Congress later amended the Act five times to expand its protections.[7] Designed to enforce the voting rights guaranteed by the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution, the Act sought to secure the right to vote for racial minorities throughout the country, especially in the South. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the Act is considered to be the most effective piece of federal civil rights legislation ever enacted in the country.[9] It is also "one of the most far-reaching pieces of civil rights legislation in U.S. history."[10]

The act contains numerous provisions that regulate elections. The act's "general provisions" provide nationwide protections for voting rights. Section 2 is a general provision that prohibits state and local government from imposing any voting rule that "results in the denial or abridgement of the right of any citizen to vote on account of race or color" or membership in a language minority group.[11] Other general provisions specifically outlaw literacy tests and similar devices that were historically used to disenfranchise racial minorities. The act also contains "special provisions" that apply to only certain jurisdictions. A core special provision is the Section 5 preclearance requirement, which prohibited certain jurisdictions from implementing any change affecting voting without receiving preapproval from the U.S. attorney general or the U.S. District Court for D.C. that the change does not discriminate against protected minorities.[12] Another special provision requires jurisdictions containing significant language minority populations to provide bilingual ballots and other election materials.

Section 5 and most other special provisions applied to jurisdictions encompassed by the "coverage formula" prescribed in Section 4(b). The coverage formula was originally designed to encompass jurisdictions that engaged in egregious voting discrimination in 1965, and Congress updated the formula in 1970 and 1975. In Shelby County v. Holder (2013), the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the coverage formula as unconstitutional, reasoning that it was no longer responsive to current conditions.[13] The court did not strike down Section 5, but without a coverage formula, Section 5 is unenforceable.[14] The jurisdictions which had previously been covered by the coverage formula massively increased the rate of voter registration purges after the Shelby decision.[15]
 

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furthermore, there is a TON, a MOUNTAIN of legislative history on the Voting Rights Act of 1965

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 is a landmark piece of federal legislation in the United States that prohibits racial discrimination in voting.[7][8] It was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson during the height of the civil rights movement on August 6, 1965, and Congress later amended the Act five times to expand its protections.[7] Designed to enforce the voting rights guaranteed by the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution, the Act sought to secure the right to vote for racial minorities throughout the country, especially in the South. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the Act is considered to be the most effective piece of federal civil rights legislation ever enacted in the country.[9] It is also "one of the most far-reaching pieces of civil rights legislation in U.S. history."[10]

The act contains numerous provisions that regulate elections. The act's "general provisions" provide nationwide protections for voting rights. Section 2 is a general provision that prohibits state and local government from imposing any voting rule that "results in the denial or abridgement of the right of any citizen to vote on account of race or color" or membership in a language minority group.[11] Other general provisions specifically outlaw literacy tests and similar devices that were historically used to disenfranchise racial minorities. The act also contains "special provisions" that apply to only certain jurisdictions. A core special provision is the Section 5 preclearance requirement, which prohibited certain jurisdictions from implementing any change affecting voting without receiving preapproval from the U.S. attorney general or the U.S. District Court for D.C. that the change does not discriminate against protected minorities.[12] Another special provision requires jurisdictions containing significant language minority populations to provide bilingual ballots and other election materials.

Section 5 and most other special provisions applied to jurisdictions encompassed by the "coverage formula" prescribed in Section 4(b). The coverage formula was originally designed to encompass jurisdictions that engaged in egregious voting discrimination in 1965, and Congress updated the formula in 1970 and 1975. In Shelby County v. Holder (2013), the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the coverage formula as unconstitutional, reasoning that it was no longer responsive to current conditions.[13] The court did not strike down Section 5, but without a coverage formula, Section 5 is unenforceable.[14] The jurisdictions which had previously been covered by the coverage formula massively increased the rate of voter registration purges after the Shelby decision.[15]
George Wallace was a misunderstood saint
 

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So let's discuss Donald Trump still gaslighting that the election was stolen from him. Some quotes from him at his most recent rally in Washington D.C.

“I ran for president. I won. Then I won a second time — did much better the second time,” Trump said.
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"Execute a drug dealer and you’ll save 500 lives,”
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“They want to damage me so I cannot go back to work for you,” Trump said to chants of “four more years” and a standing ovation. “And I don’t think that’s going to happen.”
Sounds like a paranoid sociopath.


Any remaining maga's are exactly what's wrong with this country. Amazing. There has to be a true GOP candidate that can take this guy down. I don't know how people can possibly believe in this clown. America can do better.
 

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ThEy wERe PlAnTEd bY tHe LiNCOln pRoJeCT
I mean, it wouldn't be the first time...
It's part of the leftist playbook at this point. Lincoln Project admitting to posing as white supremacists at the Youngkin rally, Jussie Smollet's fake racists, agents dressed as frat bros at the Justice for J6 rally. Those are just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

Looking closer at some of these flags, either a bunch of these pricks are newly converted Nazis or they just bought some of these flags to put on an acting performance. I'll let you figure that out. You can see where at least a few of these were still creased from packaging, brand new.

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I mean, it wouldn't be the first time...
It's part of the leftist playbook at this point. Lincoln Project admitting to posing as white supremacists at the Youngkin rally, Jussie Smollet's fake racists, agents dressed as frat bros at the Justice for J6 rally. Those are just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

Looking closer at some of these flags, either a bunch of these pricks are newly converted Nazis or they just bought some of these flags to put on an acting performance. I'll let you figure that out. You can see where at least a few of these were still creased from packaging, brand new.

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Everyone knows you don't bring your nice Nazi flag to a protest.
 

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Any remaining maga's are exactly what's wrong with this country. Amazing. There has to be a true GOP candidate that can take this guy down. I don't know how people can possibly believe in this clown. America can do better.

If it’s a one-on-one primary, I think DeSantis will beat him. He’s much smarter, far more articulate, a vastly superior debater, and is significantly younger. His message discipline is light years ahead of Trump’s, as he focuses on the issues at hand as opposed to constantly repeating himself and focusing on a prior election. He also has nowhere near the baggage that Trump has and won’t alienate voters who historically vote Republican. In both 2016 and 2020 there were more than 5 million Americans who voted for at least 1 Republican on the ballot but didn’t vote for Trump. The overwhelming majority of these 5+ million would vote for DeSantis.

Can you imagine a DeSantis-Biden debate? It would be a complete a bloodbath. Biden would look much worse than McCain did in 2008.

If the GOP were smart, they’d get behind DeSantis and convince other candidates who would split the anti-Trump vote to stay away. I also wouldn’t count out the Lincoln Project getting someone like Jeff Flake or John Kasich to get into the race to take votes away from DeSantis, since they are more scared of him because he’d be the favorite against nearly any Democrat and they need to keep taking money from liberals.
 

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If it’s a one-on-one primary, I think DeSantis will beat him. He’s much smarter, far more articulate, a vastly superior debater, and is significantly younger. His message discipline is light years ahead of Trump’s, as he focuses on the issues at hand as opposed to constantly repeating himself and focusing on a prior election. He also has nowhere near the baggage that Trump has and won’t alienate voters who historically vote Republican. In both 2016 and 2020 there were more than 5 million Americans who voted for at least 1 Republican on the ballot but didn’t vote for Trump. The overwhelming majority of these 5+ million would vote for DeSantis.

Can you imagine a DeSantis-Biden debate? It would be a complete a bloodbath. Biden would look much worse than McCain did in 2008.

If the GOP were smart, they’d get behind DeSantis and convince other candidates who would split the anti-Trump vote to stay away. I also wouldn’t count out the Lincoln Project getting someone like Jeff Flake or John Kasich to get into the race to take votes away from DeSantis, since they are more scared of him because he’d be the favorite against nearly any Democrat and they need to keep taking money from liberals.
Plus DeSantis probably won't be an ass on Twitter. Probably more likable at this point too between him and Trump.
 

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I mean, it wouldn't be the first time...
It's part of the leftist playbook at this point. Lincoln Project admitting to posing as white supremacists at the Youngkin rally, Jussie Smollet's fake racists, agents dressed as frat bros at the Justice for J6 rally. Those are just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

Looking closer at some of these flags, either a bunch of these pricks are newly converted Nazis or they just bought some of these flags to put on an acting performance. I'll let you figure that out. You can see where at least a few of these were still creased from packaging, brand new.

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....the Lincoln Project is not a leftist organization by like, any stretch. Literally former republican's sabotaging their own party lmao. Jessie Smollet is also not a leftist. Lastly......cops/agents.....are by *no means* leftist.

If it routinely happens at GOP events, it might not be a one off thing.
 

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....the Lincoln Project is not a leftist organization by like, any stretch. Literally former republican's sabotaging their own party lmao. Jessie Smollet is also not a leftist. Lastly......cops/agents.....are by *no means* leftist.

If it routinely happens at GOP events, it might not be a one off thing.
The Lincoln Project can say whatever they want, but they're clearly not supporting conservative causes. If they're trying to stymie the right then they must be on the left in a two party system no matter what they say otherwise. Actions speak louder than words.
Smollet created a hate crime hoax where his actors were told to say "This is MAGA country." Again, if you're trying to undermine or make a particular side look bad then what side are you on in a two party setup? He's certainly not trying to help conservatives.
Agents themselves may or may not be leftists, but their bosses are under the Biden administration.



Again, whether some are plants or not, nobody wants them at these rallies. They've been pushed out a number of times in the past. They're party crashers bottom line.
 
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Plus DeSantis probably won't be an ass on Twitter. Probably more likable at this point too between him and Trump.
Absolutely. Youngkin in VA was able to win over the suburban wine moms who voted for Biden that historically have voted Republican or were fed up with the Dems. He focused on the issues as opposed to promoting conspiracy theories and saying stupid sh*t on Twitter. I have no doubt that DeSantis would do better than Trump with women and suburban voters.
 

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....the Lincoln Project is not a leftist organization by like, any stretch.
Can you name a single Republican they have endorsed since their organization was founded? There are none. They won’t even endorse their boy, Mitt Romney, who is running for re-election in a safe red state. Why? 95% (being conservative there) of their followers are liberal and would unfollow them and stop giving them money if they did. Also, can you name one criticism they’ve made about the Biden Administration? They haven’t. They are sycophants for the Biden Administration and the Democratic Party. Can you name a single conservative position any of the “Republican” members of LP have taken? There are none.

Unfortunately, because of the side they’re now on, they can get away with having fake Nazis at a rally and trying to cover up for an entire year (per AP, Yahoo, NYT, etc.) of their co-founder preying on and attempting to rape young boys. Where are Meidas Touch, MSNBC, late-night “comedians” and David Hogg going after them and putting pressure on them?
 
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Its quite clear that GOP voting methods are great and Dem voting methods are bad and requiring a voter Id is the only reasonable solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Voter Id is the only real problem. No... we ALL get it. Dem voter fraud is just another boogeyman. Meanwhile GOP suppress Dem votes through legislation. We ALL get it. Its cool if you are a GOP voter.
When I read some your posts that aren't 100% lock step into your line of thinking, I see a fireworks grand finale going off in your head. You always read way more into something and forget what someone has posted before. I didn't mention voter fraud, only that proper ID should be mandatory. Let me give you a refresher.
1. I never voted for Trump.
2. I don't believe there was some massive voter fraud in the last presidential election.
3. I supported most of Trump's policies when he was in office. Hard to argue with the results he was getting.
4. Did not like or support Trump's use of Twitter.
5. Have said before, Trump needs to go away.
6. Redistricting has been going on for ages by both parties. I still remember when the Dems changed district boundaries in Indy to favor them, but I'm guessing that was just to make things more fair.


I still find it amusing that you don't post in the Biden thread as this guy has to be at or near the top of the list of worst presidents ever.
 

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When I read some your posts that aren't 100% lock step into your line of thinking, I see a fireworks grand finale going off in your head. You always read way more into something and forget what someone has posted before. I didn't mention voter fraud, only that proper ID should be mandatory. Let me give you a refresher.
1. I never voted for Trump.
2. I don't believe there was some massive voter fraud in the last presidential election.
3. I supported most of Trump's policies when he was in office. Hard to argue with the results he was getting.
4. Did not like or support Trump's use of Twitter.
5. Have said before, Trump needs to go away.
6. Redistricting has been going on for ages by both parties. I still remember when the Dems changed district boundaries in Indy to favor them, but I'm guessing that was just to make things more fair.


I still find it amusing that you don't post in the Biden thread as this guy has to be at or near the top of the list of worst presidents ever.
And you quite clearly dont read my posts as well as I have stated several times why I dont post in the presidential threads anymore. Continue to be amused. Im actually killing it right now in all aspects of my life. My life is good. Much better than its ever been. I know its not for others. I accept that. Id like Biden to do more than he is. Ultimately Im just glad that traitorus piece of grifting shit has been flushed.
 

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The Lincoln Project can say whatever they want, but they're clearly not supporting conservative causes. If they're trying to stymie the right then they must be on the left in a two party system no matter what they say otherwise. Actions speak louder than words.
Smollet created a hate crime hoax where his actors were told to say "This is MAGA country." Again, if you're trying to undermine or make a particular side look bad then what side are you on in a two party setup? He's certainly not trying to help conservatives.
Agents themselves may or may not be leftists, but their bosses are under the Biden administration.



Again, whether some are plants or not, nobody wants them at these rallies. They've been pushed out a number of times in the past. They're party crashers bottom line.


I would vote for a DeSantis/Gabbard ticket.
 

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If it’s a one-on-one primary, I think DeSantis will beat him. He’s much smarter, far more articulate, a vastly superior debater, and is significantly younger. His message discipline is light years ahead of Trump’s, as he focuses on the issues at hand as opposed to constantly repeating himself and focusing on a prior election. He also has nowhere near the baggage that Trump has and won’t alienate voters who historically vote Republican. In both 2016 and 2020 there were more than 5 million Americans who voted for at least 1 Republican on the ballot but didn’t vote for Trump. The overwhelming majority of these 5+ million would vote for DeSantis.

Can you imagine a DeSantis-Biden debate? It would be a complete a bloodbath. Biden would look much worse than McCain did in 2008.

If the GOP were smart, they’d get behind DeSantis and convince other candidates who would split the anti-Trump vote to stay away. I also wouldn’t count out the Lincoln Project getting someone like Jeff Flake or John Kasich to get into the race to take votes away from DeSantis, since they are more scared of him because he’d be the favorite against nearly any Democrat and they need to keep taking money from liberals.
"if it's a one-on-one primary" you said that??????

Sweet summer child...............

And you should know this:

Never attribute to design and conspiracy what is explicable by incompetence and stupidity.
 

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"if it's a one-on-one primary" you said that??????

Sweet summer child...............

And you should know this:

Never attribute to design and conspiracy what is explicable by incompetence and stupidity.
Does this guy remind anyone besides me of Browning & Frye aka Bogs?
 
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As I tried to point out earlier, these assholes are party crashers and not welcome. TPUSA tried to have them removed, but they were on public grounds. The View had to make a correction and apologize. Feels more and more like a false flag either way.
 

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As I tried to point out earlier, these assholes are party crashers and not welcome. TPUSA tried to have them removed, but they were on public grounds. The View had to make a correction and apologize. Feels more and more like a false flag either way.


I’m willing to break the fourth wall. I’m willing to walk into an anti-Trump march and start chanting anti-Clinton stuff—to make something happen, and then cover what happens


Pizzagate conspiracy theorist was caught Wednesday handing out flyers thanking Democratic Senators for “protecting our quality violent porn content,” including “ritual Satanic porn videos.”

“Well seeing as QAnon was started by two guys that are friends of mine, wouldn't that make sense?” he wrote in response to a comment that he “speaks the same language” as QAnon.

Hey, at least Jack Posobiec is an expert at something. Pizzagate guy is not someone you should be following btw.
 

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As I tried to point out earlier, these assholes are party crashers and not welcome. TPUSA tried to have them removed, but they were on public grounds. The View had to make a correction and apologize. Feels more and more like a false flag either way.
There’s a whole lot of Whoopi in a whole lot of posters in these threads, just generally speaking,…
 

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Hey, at least Jack Posobiec is an expert at something. Pizzagate guy is not someone you should be following btw.
Okay? I got the Tweet from the trending section, but nice whataboutism. You guys have been all "Nazi, Nazi, Nazi!" but no comment about TPUSA condemning the group and trying to have them removed.
 

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Okay? I got the Tweet from the trending section, but nice whataboutism. You guys have been all "Nazi, Nazi, Nazi!" but no comment about TPUSA condemning the group and trying to have them removed.
He hosts a podcast on that website. If you take a step back and read what I posted, all in his own words, claimed that he has planted fake news at protests and that he is friends with the starters of QAnon. This in addition to being the lead Pizzagate guy.

I am not taking the organization that affiliates with him as a good faith org in terms of judgement of "fake protesters".

He is a bad faith actor, and the type of guy who pushes people towards bad conspiracies.
 
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