'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[Some Irish Bloke]

Rees shouldn't necessarily be blamed if we don't land Moore, but he sure as shit should be blamed for not landing Moore AND not having a contingency plan.

Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk

I'm sure they have a short list of realistic possibilities if Moore doesn't come here. Unless I'm missing something, I don't think we NEED a QB this class, if they do in fact land one of Sayin or Carr, our QB room will be just fine. Puts a little more pressure on hitting a homer in '24 but not a dire situation. Am I missing anything?

 

[arahop]

Just for sake of ballparking NIL value hypothecals for Players

Dante makes it to the Heisman ceremony: Becomes Heisman winner or makes to NYC for that ceremony.

Dante Moore Football replica jersey $75

Sells 200,000 uniforms he made popular with his performance.
15 mil Gross
7.5 Net ( estimated, 50% seems pretty conservative and my best ball park)

Dante's cut 10%
750k for Dante.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

NIL isn't a factor... but visits only big NIL schools + ND. Seems legit.

Well, he’s a five star quarterback so he’s probably getting money from them just for taking the visits.

 

[dad4aa]

Why is the player’s cut only 10%?

 

[notredomer23]

Hopkins put in a prediction for Oregon to land Avery Johnson.

Rashada decides the 18th I believe. Johnson OVs to Oregon the 17th. The two biggest Moore competitors may be off the board in a couple weeks.

 

[ndinoxford]

Hopkins put in a prediction for Oregon to land Avery Johnson.

Rashada decides the 18th I believe. Johnson OVs to Oregon the 17th. The two biggest Moore competitors may be off the board in a couple weeks.

And the LSU 247 guy thinks Rashada ends up at T&M. He also thinks Dante ends up at ND. I honestly think it will come down to ND and Umich for the simple fact that they are the only schools going all in on him and other schools will fill up before he decides.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I am so ready for the posters here...

"Rees is still a bad recruiter...He only got Dante, because he dragged his feet and had nowhere else to land!"

 

[Irish'15]

ND should have recruited Avery Johnson harder. He recently qualified for the Elite 11 Finals, the most prestigious passing competition. He now has everyones attention. He ran a 4.5 40 at the camp and took second overall in passing. He will likely finish higher in the Elite 11 Finals than Buchner. He is choosing in late June, right before the Elite 11 Finals competition. If he performs well in that competition, he is a better prospect than Dante Moore. The mix of running and passing ability makes him a true 5 star prospect and one of the nations best. We shall see, but he won't be going to ND anymore (seems we bailed on him with our all in Dante obsession), that's for sure.

 

[Irish'15]

Rees shouldn't necessarily be blamed if we don't land Moore, but he sure as shit should be blamed for not landing Moore AND not having a contingency plan.

Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk

Correct. He does not have one. That's been the issue all along. While every other team recruits multiple kids, he's playing QB recruiting like an 18 year olds first time at a casino. I've been critical from the start.

 

[Reaper97]

Correct. He does not have one. That's been the issue all along. While every other team recruits multiple kids, he's playing QB recruiting like an 18 year olds first time at a casino. I've been critical from the start.

Ever thought that maybe it’s Freeman’s decision, you know, as the Head Coach?

A) Maybe Freeman wants Rees to go all in on Moore
B) If A is not true, then as the head coach he needs to step in and tell Rees to pursue more QBs

Everything begins & ends with Freeman now. It’s his ship, not Rees’.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Ever thought that maybe it’s Freeman’s decision, you know, as the Head Coach?

A) Maybe Freeman wants Rees to go all in on Moore
B) If A is not true, then as the head coach he needs to step in and tell Rees to pursue more QBs

Everything begins & ends with Freeman now. It’s his ship, not Rees’.

Stop.
It's Tommy's fault.
It has been written.
We allll know it...

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

ND should have recruited Avery Johnson harder. He recently qualified for the Elite 11 Finals, the most prestigious passing competition. He now has everyones attention. He ran a 4.5 40 at the camp and took second overall in passing. He will likely finish higher in the Elite 11 Finals than Buchner. He is choosing in late June, right before the Elite 11 Finals competition. If he performs well in that competition, he is a better prospect than Dante Moore. The mix of running and passing ability makes him a true 5 star prospect and one of the nations best. We shall see, but he won't be going to ND anymore (seems we bailed on him with our all in Dante obsession), that's for sure.

This is not how this works.
Welcome to your first experience to recruiting.
Camps do not correlate 1:1 to field.

We've had plenty of elite 11 qbs lol

 

[Irish'15]

Stop.
It's Tommy's fault.
It has been written.
We allll know it...

TR, MF, doesn't really matter. Fact is we should have a nice 4 or 5 star kid to add to the room. If we don't, it's a legitimate miss. Who to blame? Not the kids.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

ND should have recruited Avery Johnson harder. He recently qualified for the Elite 11 Finals, the most prestigious passing competition. He now has everyones attention. He ran a 4.5 40 at the camp and took second overall in passing. He will likely finish higher in the Elite 11 Finals than Buchner. He is choosing in late June, right before the Elite 11 Finals competition. If he performs well in that competition, he is a better prospect than Dante Moore. The mix of running and passing ability makes him a true 5 star prospect and one of the nations best. We shall see, but he won't be going to ND anymore (seems we bailed on him with our all in Dante obsession), that's for sure.

Also, why are you so high on Avery?

Vizzinia is a better camp/game time QB anyway and likely en route to a possible 5 star soon.
If anything, I would think you'd be going for him based on your own qualifications.

Also, Jackson Arnold wanted to come to ND and was turned down too...also a better QB (arguably) than Avery.

 

[Irish'15]

Also, why are you so high on Avery?

Vizzinia is a better camp/game time QB anyway and likely en route to a possible 5 star soon.
If anything, I would think you'd be going for him based on your own qualifications.

Also, Jackson Arnold wanted to come to ND and was turned down too...also a better QB (arguably) than Avery.

Because they are committed. I loved Vizzina and Arnold. I am always in favor of adding depth and competition to the room. It appears we might not be prioritizing that this cycle.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Because they are committed. I loved Vizzina and Arnold. I am always in favor of adding depth and competition to the room. It appears we might not be prioritizing that this cycle.

So you don't love Dante?
He's also uncommitted
And much higher rated.

 

[Irish'15]

So you don't love Dante?
He's also uncommitted
And much higher rated.

Yep, he's good too. I don't like all in strategy. Dumb. We should have taken the 4-5 star kid that wanted to be here. That's what Clemson did. That's what Oklahoma did. That's what Bama did. I'm sure they'd have loved to have Moore too, but there were plenty of fish in the sea. Jackson Arnold was our guy, IMO. You court multiple kids and you take the one that wants in.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Yep, he's good too. I don't like all in strategy. Dumb. We should have taken the 4-5 star kid that wanted to be here. That's what Clemson did. That's what Oklahoma did. That's what Bama did. I'm sure they'd have loved to have Moore too, but there were plenty of fish in the sea. Jackson Arnold was our guy, IMO.

So I guess Texas and Georgia shouldn't wait for Arch?

 

[Irish'15]

So I guess Texas and Georgia shouldn't wait for Arch?

That's subjective. Depends on their particular situation.

 

[Irishnuke]

ND should have recruited Avery Johnson harder. He recently qualified for the Elite 11 Finals, the most prestigious passing competition. He now has everyones attention. He ran a 4.5 40 at the camp and took second overall in passing. He will likely finish higher in the Elite 11 Finals than Buchner. He is choosing in late June, right before the Elite 11 Finals competition. If he performs well in that competition, he is a better prospect than Dante Moore. The mix of running and passing ability makes him a true 5 star prospect and one of the nations best. We shall see, but he won't be going to ND anymore (seems we bailed on him with our all in Dante obsession), that's for sure.

Calm down. Moore is a top 5-10 overall recruit on every site. Johnson isn’t close to that. Obviously 5 stars do flop and 3/4 stars do become elite, but right now Moore is by far the better prospect and it isn’t close.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

That's subjective. Depends on their particular situation.

I'm curious, what about Notre Dame's situation makes the all-in-on-one-guy recruiting strategy a bad play?

There's a highly rated rising sophomore moving into the starting job and a relatively polished rising freshman behind him. To me that seems like a good time to swing for the fences.

EDIT: Plus, ND seems to be in a good spot to land one of Sayin or Carr in 2024.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

That's subjective. Depends on their particular situation.

It sounds like a fair comparison to me lol

Two other schools waiting for an elite player.
Actually, no.
ND is in the better spot because they are the clear leader while Texas/UGA are a tossup

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Irish'15 rather hit a triple than a homer it seems.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't know how good Avery Johnson will or won't be. But I was absolutely in the camp of Vizzina being a stud with my primary reservation being his location and the risk of losing him later, and I thought Jackson Arnold had the highest floor of all of them. We certainly tried to get Arnold but whiffed.

With Dante Moore -- he had the lowest upside and worst underclass film of any of the "5 star" guys ND went after. Does not have a huge arm or great athleticism, you are banking on size + accuracy + polish to make him a top tier QB. And that might work out fine! Sometimes those guys turn out to be Rodgers or Mahomes after a little development. But he's closer to a Josh Rosen than a Cam Newton in terms of having the skills or athletic ability to take over a game by himself.

At least he's not as laughably overrated as Arch Manning.

 

[Irish'15]

Irish'15 rather hit a triple than a homer it seems.

Sensitive subject around here.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Calm down. Moore is a top 5-10 overall recruit on every site. Johnson isn’t close to that. Obviously 5 stars do flop and 3/4 stars do become elite, but right now Moore is by far the better prospect and it isn’t close.

You’re arguing w what seems to be K**n’s new burner account.

 

[Irish'15]

I don't know how good Avery Johnson will or won't be. But I was absolutely in the camp of Vizzina being a stud with my primary reservation being his location and the risk of losing him later, and I thought Jackson Arnold had the highest floor of all of them. We certainly tried to get Arnold but whiffed.

With Dante Moore -- he had the lowest upside and worst underclass film of any of the "5 star" guys ND went after. Does not have a huge arm or great athleticism, you are banking on size + accuracy + polish to make him a top tier QB. And that might work out fine! Sometimes those guys turn out to be Rodgers or Mahomes after a little development. But he's closer to a Josh Rosen than a Cam Newton in terms of having the skills or athletic ability to take over a game by himself.

At least he's not as laughably overrated as Arch Manning.

I believe CJ Carr and Julian Sayin have a higher upside and are more important for our program than Moore. I prefer a sure bet kind of kid in '23 to add depth and spark competition. Who that was I have no clue, but he doesn't live in Michigan. In terms of QB, I am a deep room numbers guy. Would I love Dante in the room? Sure. But I'm not enamored with this kid like some. I want depth and an elite '24.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I believe CJ Carr and Julian Sayin have a higher upside and are more important for our program than Moore. I prefer a sure bet kind of kid in '23 to add depth and spark competition. Who that was I have no clue, but he doesn't live in Michigan. In terms of QB, I am a deep room numbers guy. Would I love Dante in the room? Sure. But I'm not enamored with this kid like some. I want depth and an elite '24.

So you want another Steve or Drew and focus on '24 instead?
Ok, lets cut lose with a 5 start that ND is leading for

 

[Reaper97]

I don't know how good Avery Johnson will or won't be. But I was absolutely in the camp of Vizzina being a stud with my primary reservation being his location and the risk of losing him later, and I thought Jackson Arnold had the highest floor of all of them. We certainly tried to get Arnold but whiffed.

With Dante Moore -- he had the lowest upside and worst underclass film of any of the "5 star" guys ND went after. Does not have a huge arm or great athleticism, you are banking on size + accuracy + polish to make him a top tier QB. And that might work out fine! Sometimes those guys turn out to be Rodgers or Mahomes after a little development. But he's closer to a Josh Rosen than a Cam Newton in terms of having the skills or athletic ability to take over a game by himself.

At least he's not as laughably overrated as Arch Manning.

You are WAY off on your final sentence.

The hatred of that kid simply because of his name is laughable.

 

[SoIll]

Also, why are you so high on Avery?

Vizzinia is a better camp/game time QB anyway and likely en route to a possible 5 star soon.
If anything, I would think you'd be going for him based on your own qualifications.

Also, Jackson Arnold wanted to come to ND and was turned down too...also a better QB (arguably) than Avery.

False.

Also,
Arnold > Vizz > Moore

Of note. Dante will only 17 years old when he sets foot onto campus in the spring. Most of these cats are all a year older after being held back