College Athletics Branding - Name Image Likeness Rules

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Irish#1 said:
Then go to the G league. Every kid has the right to try and earn what they want, but not going about it this way.
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Should it pass through shoe company contacts and AAU coaches first so it’ll be like it’s been for the last 15 years instead?
 
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Sitting out half the season or half + 1 (something like that) unless you're a grad transfer might find the appropriate balance here. If this isn't your first transfer, whole season.

I also think the easy way to fix NIL is the NCAA have a little bit of backbone and make it a harsh penalty if boosters who have contributed to a collective in anyway contact recruits or even those who have signed their NLI prior to setting foot on campus for classes. At least would have a semblance of college athletics and student athletes at this point and not pay-to-play. Once they set foot on campus for classes, have at it, make whatever deals you want. I suspect Tennessee might not have nearly as lucrative of a collective if that was the case.

This would assume the NCAA has a backbone though, which they clearly do not.
 
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The real problem is their "representation" plus immediate eligibility. If you get rid of immediate eligibility, it'll stop a lot of the nonsense and tampering in its tracks, but right now kids have major financial incentive to put themselves on the auction block after a good freshman year.

Their "representation" is pushing these kids to only look at the NIL check that they can cash. The agent gets a 10% cut so do you think they'd ever advise a kid "hey go to Stanford, it's your best long term decision" versus "yeah I know that Western Kentucky doesn't have the best academics, but they're offering you $50k! take the money!" It's lunacy. All these agents want is a payday.

What I've heard with ND is that one of the reasons ND is having success right now (in addition to Freeman and this staff being great... and we'll see if it stays this way come signing day) is that in the NIL era a lot of kids/families are really starting to see the big picture that ND has always tried to sell. "This degree is worth $350k, you'll make $X in your career outside of football when you graduate, and here is what guys are making in NIL" actually resonates pretty well versus crappy state schools that are like "yeah our school is cheap and bad, but we'll give you $400k up front". So the same value ND has always pitched is starting to have broader appeal and you have better people delivering the message... more people are looking at it like a business decision now. Are you going to turn down MILLIONS from Tennessee if you're looking out for your pocket book first? Nah, probably not. And some kids really want that up front guaranteed money.

I do worry about classes from '23 onwards getting on campus though and being induced to transfer because ND isn't locking people in with NIL contracts how an A&M or someone else does.
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Completely agree with everything you said.

Also, literally the only current rule is that it cannot be tied to attending a specific university. So why would this kid have to transfer from Miami to get a better NIL deal? I mean this is a open and close case to actually enforce the rule if they wanted to…
 
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Luckylucci said:
Yea, this is so fucked.

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Miami did this to themselves with Ruiz bragging on twitter about paying a recruit hundreds of thousands of dollars and other stuff. People are going to say "if this kid is getting this kind of money, why am I not getting it?" It's going to be a much worse version of NFL holdouts in many cases because these guys are all "unrestricted free agents."
 
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"NCAA have a little bit of backbone and make it a harsh penalty if boosters in anyway contact recruits" ...
Lol
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IrishLax said:
What I've heard with ND is that one of the reasons ND is having success right now (in addition to Freeman and this staff being great... and we'll see if it stays this way come signing day) is that in the NIL era a lot of kids/families are really starting to see the big picture that ND has always tried to sell. "This degree is worth $350k, you'll make $X in your career outside of football when you graduate, and here is what guys are making in NIL" actually resonates pretty well versus crappy state schools that are like "yeah our school is cheap and bad, but we'll give you $400k up front". So the same value ND has always pitched is starting to have broader appeal and you have better people delivering the message... more people are looking at it like a business decision now. Are you going to turn down MILLIONS from Tennessee if you're looking out for your pocket book first? Nah, probably not. And some kids really want that up front guaranteed money.
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That's a good point. If recruits start looking at this more purely as a business decision, some will take the longer view (the 40-year view, or even the view that in three years I can be a big-time player for Notre Dame and, because of the brand, that'll be worth more than being at Tennessee or A&M). Those are our guys, not the kids looking for a big payday when they're still in high school.

That said, yeah, our, like, sophomore classes could get picked apart with outbound transfers when things get hard for some of these kids. A little surprised that hasn't started to happen already, though I'm guessing there's enthusiasm for the new regime.
 
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Dale said:
Should it pass through shoe company contacts and AAU coaches first so it’ll be like it’s been for the last 15 years instead?
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That's not the point. I have no inside info, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of those instances where they signed right away and didn't take time to evaluate the landscape. They signed a deal without anyone forcing them to. Now they're unhappy and want someone else to pay for their mistake. I could be wrong, but this has a greedy parent aroma to it IMO.
 
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FWIrish4 said:
Completely agree with everything you said.

Also, literally the only current rule is that it cannot be tied to attending a specific university. So why would this kid have to transfer from Miami to get a better NIL deal? I mean this is a open and close case to actually enforce the rule if they wanted to…
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Excellent point.
 
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Maybe this has already been covered but apparently on Rick Neuheisel's radio show he said that Bama offered Utah's TE $1M to transfer. Now there is a rumor that they offered that to Mayer as well.

FWIW, a poster at II said that he was told, from someone at the alumni event last weekend, folks were talking about that this did indeed happen. Absolutely wild if true.
 
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Luckylucci said:
Maybe this has already been covered but apparently on Rick Neuheisel's radio show he said that Bama offered Utah's TE $1M to transfer. Now there is a rumor that they offered that to Mayer as well.

FWIW, a poster at II said that he was told, from someone at the alumni event last weekend, folks were talking about that this did indeed happen. Absolutely wild if true.
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It’s also just literally against the rules and I don’t understand how/why people aren’t recording this kind of stuff and snitching. Like I’m not dumb enough to not understand that Bama is using a 3rd party to make the offer under “NIL” rules but it’s still tampering by a booster with a player not in the transfer portal.

Also, again, this is why insta eligibility transfers need to be wholly eliminated in the NIL era.
 
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Luckylucci said:
Maybe this has already been covered but apparently on Rick Neuheisel's radio show he said that Bama offered Utah's TE $1M to transfer. Now there is a rumor that they offered that to Mayer as well.

FWIW, a poster at II said that he was told, from someone at the alumni event last weekend, folks were talking about that this did indeed happen. Absolutely wild if true.
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If true, isn’t that a violation, recruiting a player on another team?
 
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About time someone had the guts to say this; thank you Aaron Taylor!

Pull the damn car over.
 
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Not to be a downer but it doesn't matter. The rules won't work and to the limited extent they could have had an effect, state legislatures will shield the donors and promote the interests of their local football program.
 
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Whiskeyjack said:
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F*ck this guy and his cheap toupee. Deserves far more hate than he gets.
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Nah, that hairpiece is straight fire, son!!!
 
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