Russia Invades Ukraine

[Irish#1]

Sounds like Hitler. His subordinates were terrified to deliver any bad news and withheld a lot.

 

[ACamp1900]

Sounds like Hitler. His subordinates were terrified to deliver any bad news and withheld a lot.

Sounds like a lot of despots throughout history

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[MacIrish75]

Sounds like Hitler. His subordinates were terrified to deliver any bad news and withheld a lot.

Relevant. Gonna need one of these updated for the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, stat.

 

[Sea Turtle]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Updated numbers of Russia&#39;s casualties and other losses as of Feb. 27, according to Ukraine&#39;s Defense Ministry. <a href="https://t.co/Z0Q9MNsCEy">pic.twitter.com/Z0Q9MNsCEy</a></p>&mdash; The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) <a href="">February 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

. Not a good thing when you fire your top guy. I bet the next guy has even less leash to disappoint Putin.

 

[stpeteirish]

Looks like Putin’s losing. Maybe he’s not a genius after all

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

. Not a good thing when you fire your top guy. I bet the next guy has even less leash to disappoint Putin.

this apparently not true. Psych ops

 

[Whiskeyjack]

this apparently not true. Psych ops

Yes. Propaganda is inevitable during war, and Ukraine has an overwhelming advantage on that front.



But take everything you see on Twitter and MSM with a big grain of salt. Lots of questionable stuff getting reported with virtually no scrutinization.

 

[Rogue219]

The citizen soldiers have been paramount in helping hold Kyiv to this point.

 

[laughingirish90]

fox news just showed images of a convoy of soldiers, tanks and other armored vehicles about 3 or so miles long headed torward the capital city where the president is and so things could get even worse now for the Ukraine soldiers. this could be where Russia finally takes over the city but i hope not though

 

[calvegas04]

Looks like russia is stepping up there attacks tonight, lots of firepower on display.

But in better news

NATO countries are providing jets to Ukraine now

Turkey has reportedly Officially Announced the Closure of the Bosphorus Strait to Russian Warships due to the Breakout of War in the Region according to Montreux Convention

Ukraine is creating a foreign fighter unit, anyone in the world is welcome to come shoot some russians.

The French foreign legion is allowing Ukrainian soldiers to leave with their full gear to fight in the war

 

[Irish#1]

fox news just showed images of a convoy of soldiers, tanks and other armored vehicles about 3 or so miles long headed torward the capital city where the president is and so things could get even worse now for the Ukraine soldiers. this could be where Russia finally takes over the city but i hope not though

NBC news reported cities in the south were being taken.

Also mentioned the Swiss will more than likely freeze all Russia assets.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Not sure if true, but if it is, it’s hysterical.

 

[Rogue219]

Well, it's almost March. May as well get used to my bracket being garbage because this I didn't see coming at all.

 

[Rogue219]

Looks like russia is stepping up there attacks tonight, lots of firepower on display.

But in better news

NATO countries are providing jets to Ukraine now

Turkey has reportedly Officially Announced the Closure of the Bosphorus Strait to Russian Warships due to the Breakout of War in the Region according to Montreux Convention

Ukraine is creating a foreign fighter unit, anyone in the world is welcome to come shoot some russians.

The French foreign legion is allowing Ukrainian soldiers to leave with their full gear to fight in the war

So this means my cousin in Knoxville who has dedicated his life to stockpiling weapons and ammunition can join in? I bet air fare is super cost efficient right about now. Finna call him right now.

 

[HouseofPain]

I never understood this. At some point, the soldier needs to choose sides. Either he believes what Putin is doing is correct and fights or does not and makes his stand. I understand all the talk about risk but there comes a time when a man has to choose his side for what he knows is right. Russian history was changed when the common man overthrew the existing government. The excuse of "I did what I was told" wont hold up on Judgment day. All those German excuses during and after WWII just dont hold up. You are talking about evil decisions made by a minority of the people in power and the vast majority just rolling along with it like a whipped puppy. My wife told me a story about captured 20 year old Russian soldiers who spent the last three months training in Belarus and how they just want to go home. Sorry but cmon. You didnt think what you were doing marching and attacking civilian centers wasnt wrong?

And for the record, there are a LOT more civilian casualties than what the good ole American media is reporting. I shouldnt be surprised because they had the death count stalled at 14,000 three years after the 2014 invasion.

 

[calvegas04]

Not sure if true, but if it is, it’s hysterical.

Turns out it is russian troops stealing a tractor and towing their tank, which is still pretty damn funny

 

[ab2cmiller]

 

[ab2cmiller]

Still have no clue why Biden gave the go ahead for Nord Stream 2. What was the rationale?

 

[calvegas04]

 

[Irish#1]

I never understood this. At some point, the soldier needs to choose sides. Either he believes what Putin is doing is correct and fights or does not and makes his stand. I understand all the talk about risk but there comes a time when a man has to choose his side for what he knows is right. Russian history was changed when the common man overthrew the existing government. The excuse of "I did what I was told" wont hold up on Judgment day. All those German excuses during and after WWII just dont hold up. You are talking about evil decisions made by a minority of the people in power and the vast majority just rolling along with it like a whipped puppy. My wife told me a story about captured 20 year old Russian soldiers who spent the last three months training in Belarus and how they just want to go home. Sorry but cmon. You didnt think what you were doing marching and attacking civilian centers wasnt wrong?

And for the record, there are a LOT more civilian casualties than what the good ole American media is reporting. I shouldnt be surprised because they had the death count stalled at 14,000 three years after the 2014 invasion.

Maybe the threat of being declared a traitor and put in front of a firing squad?

 

[HouseofPain]

Maybe the threat of being declared a traitor and put in front of a firing squad?

God will judge them and that will be far worse than anything a firing squad can do.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

God will judge them and that will be far worse than anything a firing squad can do.

Just fuckin stop. Who says it'll be a firing squad? Why not torture to send a message? People's actual true existence, the one we all are certain we're experiencing, is being threatened by a brutal dictator.

And your idea is they should fear God more....all of them.

What world do you live in? Where you think this preaching matters one iota. We've seen this playbook countless times and acting like you are shocked by people choosing to act in accordance with the powers around them is silly. This happens all the time and it won't change, ever. Evolutionary forces have selected people who 90+% of the time don't rock the boat.

The other 10% can be advantageous and they are the feel-good stories sometimes (and other times they are lunatics). The Russian soldiers will give up the fight when it's overly apparent they are going to lose, or the world is uniting against them or the powers around them shift.

 

[Crazy Balki]

God will judge them and that will be far worse than anything a firing squad can do.

Can't disagree more with this.

You are judged by your actions with intent. I'm not one to say "just following orders" is always a viable excuse, but there are decent soldiers who simply wish to serve their country who are only privy to a fraction of what's going on with this invasion, and the choices are fight for your country or desert them and risk life imprisonment and death, which also puts your family in danger.

 

[IrishLax]

 

[IrishLax]

Can't disagree more with this.

You are judged by your actions with intent. I'm not one to say "just following orders" is always a viable excuse, but there are decent soldiers who simply wish to serve their country who are only privy to a fraction of what's going on with this invasion, and the choices are fight for your country or desert them and risk life imprisonment and death, which also puts your family in danger.

The “limited information” argument is an interesting one, as is this whole philosophical discussion. It can also be applied to concepts like slavery — which is in the Bible — and other moral concepts. A lot of morality is just purely subjective and human construct. Others will argue that there are certain intuitive “laws of nature” that any empathetic person should recognize.

When Germany did concentration camps, no one involved got a pass. The world basically agreed that if you were mass murdering civilians then “just following orders” doesn’t apply… regardless of what information you have. With something like this, it’s hard to hold rank and file soldiers culpable for engaging military targets. When they target civilian targets, that’s a whole nother story. And obviously every oligarch and military leader should be held accountable here.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Still have no clue why Biden gave the go ahead for Nord Stream 2. What was the rationale?

Same reason he has done basically nothing for the past year while it was clear Russia was amassing troops to invade Ukraine. They werent moving troops 30k at a time to the border just because. Same reason Afghanistan went down the way it did. This administration is inept. Completely reactive and no leadership and it is costing lives. The fact that the world has for the most part left Ukraine to fend for themselves up until now is shameful.

 

[Johannes]

I never understood this. At some point, the soldier needs to choose sides. Either he believes what Putin is doing is correct and fights or does not and makes his stand. I understand all the talk about risk but there comes a time when a man has to choose his side for what he knows is right. Russian history was changed when the common man overthrew the existing government. The excuse of "I did what I was told" wont hold up on Judgment day. All those German excuses during and after WWII just dont hold up. You are talking about evil decisions made by a minority of the people in power and the vast majority just rolling along with it like a whipped puppy. My wife told me a story about captured 20 year old Russian soldiers who spent the last three months training in Belarus and how they just want to go home. Sorry but cmon. You didnt think what you were doing marching and attacking civilian centers wasnt wrong?

And for the record, there are a LOT more civilian casualties than what the good ole American media is reporting. I shouldnt be surprised because they had the death count stalled at 14,000 three years after the 2014 invasion.

There has been quite a bit of scholarship on this subject, especially in relation to Germans in WWII. If you're looking to have a better understanding of the mindset of the common Russian soldier right now, I highly recommend this book: Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland by Christopher Browning.

It's obviously not even close to a 1-to-1 comparison. For starters the book addresses a reserve police unit and a holocaust massacre, not front line soldiers in a military action. But the underlying topic is sadly relevant to understanding how groups of otherwise decent people can find themselves doing monstrous things.

Edit: Not sure what's going on with the auto-Amazon link formatting.