Brian Flores sues NFL, others, as former Miami Dolphins coach alleges racism in hiring practices.

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"In certain critical ways, the NFL is racially segregated and is managed much like a plantation,'' the lawsuit said. "Its 32 owners -- none of whom are Black -- profit substantially from the labor of NFL players, 70% of whom are Black. The owners watch the games from atop NFL stadiums in their luxury boxes, while their majority-Black workforce put their bodies on the line every Sunday, taking vicious hits and suffering debilitating injuries to their bodies and their brains while the NFL and its owners reap billions of dollars."

This should be fun.
 

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"In certain critical ways, the NFL is racially segregated and is managed much like a plantation,'' the lawsuit said. "Its 32 owners -- none of whom are Black -- profit substantially from the labor of NFL players, 70% of whom are Black. The owners watch the games from atop NFL stadiums in their luxury boxes, while their majority-Black workforce put their bodies on the line every Sunday, taking vicious hits and suffering debilitating injuries to their bodies and their brains while the NFL and its owners reap billions of dollars."

This should be fun.

Yet they are getting paid millions of dollars to play a game.

I don't think the owner should have tried to bribe him to lose games either. However, if he took place in that he is just as guilty.

Career Suicide
 

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I have a feeling this will be a lucrative venture for MR Flores. They will put more rules in place for hiring, cut him a check, give millions to BLM, HBCU or other and put more decals on helmets to fight racism.
 

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I have a feeling this will be a lucrative venture for MR Flores. They will put more rules in place for hiring, cut him a check, give millions to BLM, HBCU or other and put more decals on helmets to fight racism.
To a point where unqualified coaches will start being hired so that the teams aren't considered racist
 

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If there is on thing I agree with him on it's that the Rhoney rule is a freaking sham . It's kind of ridiculous to have people to prepare for and sit through an interview for a position that they have NO shot at getting.

No evidence the Rhoney rule is working as intended either. Scrap it . I was actually in favor of it at one time but I think they should scrap it.
 

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If there is on thing I agree with him on it's that the Rhoney rule is a freaking sham . It's kind of ridiculous to have people to prepare for and sit through an interview for a position that they have NO shot at getting.

No evidence the Rhoney rule is working as intended either. Scrap it . I was actually in favor of it at one time but I think they should scrap it.

Tend to agree. Although there probably is a benefit to those that do interview in that there name is bantered about and going through the interview process is a valuable tool. They will likely be better prepared for future interviews when they are a stronger candidate.
 

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Everyone knew the Rooney Rule is a joke. Maybe they'll finally end the farce.

While I obviously don't think it was race related, I'd love to know what actually went down between Ross & Flores. Ross is known as being a tough motherfucker to deal with.
 

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Everyone knew the Rooney Rule is a joke. Maybe they'll finally end the farce.

While I obviously don't think it was race related, I'd love to know what actually went down between Ross & Flores. Ross is known as being a tough motherfucker to deal with.
From what I have read, Flores is as well.
 

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If there is on thing I agree with him on it's that the Rhoney rule is a freaking sham . It's kind of ridiculous to have people to prepare for and sit through an interview for a position that they have NO shot at getting.

No evidence the Rhoney rule is working as intended either. Scrap it . I was actually in favor of it at one time but I think they should scrap it.

I think its par for the course when it comes to forcing any organization to meet a racial quota. I think the rule in of in itself would make me feel like a lesser coach and people on the outside looking in question the hire. Are they the best hire or used as a token? Are we trying to win or trying to fill a quota? Its empowering when an organization says they want to hire the best candidate and then hires a black coach as opposed to being made to interview a black coach and not getting the job. I think any affirmative action type mandate does the opposite of whats intended.
 

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If there is on thing I agree with him on it's that the Rhoney rule is a freaking sham . It's kind of ridiculous to have people to prepare for and sit through an interview for a position that they have NO shot at getting.

No evidence the Rhoney rule is working as intended either. Scrap it . I was actually in favor of it at one time but I think they should scrap it.

I have no idea whether or not the Giants were being racist in their hiring practices (an expert on CRT praxis might disagree with me because everything is racist according to them) but from a purely legal standpoint, the Rooney Rule does appear to have been violated. Those texts from Belichick prove as much, although that could be labeled as hearsay I suppose. The Rooney Rule may be exposed as a sham, it's likely to be revised in significant ways after this, no matter the outcome of the case.

As far as the Dolphins owner is concerned. I wouldn't be shocked if he's forced to sell the team.

This might be the NFL's version of a Family Secrets trial.
 

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I have no idea whether or not the Giants were being racist in their hiring practices (an expert on CRT praxis might disagree with me because everything is racist according to them) but from a purely legal standpoint, the Rooney Rule does appear to have been violated. Those texts from Belichick prove as much, although that could be labeled as hearsay I suppose. The Rooney Rule may be exposed as a sham, it's likely to be revised in significant ways after this, no matter the outcome of the case.

As far as the Dolphins owner is concerned. I wouldn't be shocked if he's forced to sell the team.

This might be the NFL's version of a Family Secrets trial.
Belichick is pure hearsay unless he has an email or text message saying other wise.
 

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Belichick is pure hearsay unless he has an email or text message saying other wise.

As far as we know now, it is. He'll have to reveal from where he heard it I'm sure. The timing is pretty funny though, 2 days before Flores' interview, and 100% correct about the person hired. I've got no horse in this race (race, ha ha), but find it interesting from a George Carlin "front-row seat to the freak show" way.
 

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I have no idea whether or not the Giants were being racist in their hiring practices (an expert on CRT praxis might disagree with me because everything is racist according to them) but from a purely legal standpoint, the Rooney Rule does appear to have been violated. Those texts from Belichick prove as much, although that could be labeled as hearsay I suppose. The Rooney Rule may be exposed as a sham, it's likely to be revised in significant ways after this, no matter the outcome of the case.

As far as the Dolphins owner is concerned. I wouldn't be shocked if he's forced to sell the team.

This might be the NFL's version of a Family Secrets trial.
But was it? The rule tells them to interview 2 minorities, the rule does not tell them to take it seriously... which is why the rule is a joke. Flores has thrown out a few allegations on a few different teams... it might turn into a big "he said, she said" because I don't think you can prove what transpired in a conversation. The texts he released is pretty circumstantial.
 

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As far as we know now, it is. He'll have to reveal from where he heard it I'm sure. The timing is pretty funny though, 2 days before Flores' interview, and 100% correct about the person hired. I've got no horse in this race (race, ha ha), but find it interesting from a George Carlin "front-row seat to the freak show" way.
Its going to be interesting to see what happens with the interviews. Can he work for/in the NFL if he is suiing the NFL?
 

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I wonder if BB becomes some casualty of all this,… nothing would surprise me
 

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"In certain critical ways, the NFL is racially segregated and is managed much like a plantation,'' the lawsuit said. "Its 32 owners -- none of whom are Black -- profit substantially from the labor of NFL players, 70% of whom are Black. The owners watch the games from atop NFL stadiums in their luxury boxes, while their majority-Black workforce put their bodies on the line every Sunday, taking vicious hits and suffering debilitating injuries to their bodies and their brains while the NFL and its owners reap billions of dollars."

This should be fun.
If it can be proven, to authorities, that Ross did, in fact offer Flores $100 k for each loss TANKED, then Mr. Ross's legal problems may just be beginning.............

That is an attempt to conspire to fix games.

Criminal charges are not out of the question.

Good for Flores.

Whistleblowing is necessary. And I hope ND continues to recruit his kid.
 

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I wonder if BB becomes some casualty of all this,… nothing would surprise me

I could see emails and things getting leaked, not necessarily against BB but someone will find a smoking gun somewhere, like they found with Gruden. If I were John Elway or anyone mentioned in the lawsuit I would be researching everything I have written in electronic form.
 

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I think one of the big issues with the Roney rule it's almost been actually limited interviews for ascending black coaches . Coaches like Romeo Crennel until recently and Jim Caldwell who failed as head coaches (I actually think Caldwell is a good but not great coach) keep getting interviews. I feel like teams basically find the 1 coach or possibly 2 or 3 coaches they really like ahead of time and then throw in a recycled black head coach like a Jim Caldwell. They're not interviewing ascending black coaches.

I'm generally against racial quotas but I actually thought the Rhoney rule had nice intent behind but it should be scrapped imo.

If I was an NFL owner following the rule I would look for someone on the ascent not the recycled coaches.
 

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One can think the Rooney rule is bullshit and racist AND think the NFL being overwhelmingly white re: head coaches is racist at the same time.


I believe that's exactly what's at issue here.

I for one can't wait for the deluge of hot takes from pasty old white people telling everyone how racism doesn't exist in their eyes. I especially can't wait for the countless out of context MLK quotes to make their points.

How fun and novel that experience will be.
 

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I have no idea whether or not the Giants were being racist in their hiring practices (an expert on CRT praxis might disagree with me because everything is racist according to them) but from a purely legal standpoint, the Rooney Rule does appear to have been violated. Those texts from Belichick prove as much, although that could be labeled as hearsay I suppose. The Rooney Rule may be exposed as a sham, it's likely to be revised in significant ways after this, no matter the outcome of the case.

As far as the Dolphins owner is concerned. I wouldn't be shocked if he's forced to sell the team.

This might be the NFL's version of a Family Secrets trial.
If Ross is forced to sell the team while Dan fucking Snyder still gets away his crap I will lose my mind.
 

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That preamble is sanctimonious as hell and might actually hurt how seriously his case is taken by some. Literally nobody but a total moron thinks that the NFL == slavery when the workers fight and claw to be part of the league + they’ve collectively bargained for generational wealth.

But the meat of the case is damning for the NFL if even half of the allegations are true. Match fixing? Tampering? Violations of league rules? None of that bodes well for Ross or the league.
 

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But was it? The rule tells them to interview 2 minorities, the rule does not tell them to take it seriously... which is why the rule is a joke. Flores has thrown out a few allegations on a few different teams... it might turn into a big "he said, she said" because I don't think you can prove what transpired in a conversation. The texts he released is pretty circumstantial.

I think that you'd be hard pressed to argue successfully that the rule isn't implied to be taken seriously. That's what is meant by letter and spirit of the law (or letter vs. spirit). I'm talking strictly in a legal or formal setting. Or even a PR setting. Could you imagine the fallout if "we knew we didn't have to take it seriously" came out somehow?

You're right that everything we know right now is circumstantial, which is why I'm trying to be as neutral as I can discussing it. Everything will come out once the high-priced legal teams and their consultants get on the case. This one is at least one private golf course and a summer home in the Hamptons; Heck the paralegals might even get a swimming pool out of it.
 

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Just read that Tom Brady was the QB Dolphins owner Ross wanted Flores to meet with and he refused…

“Early reports have named Tom Brady as the quarterback Ross tried to get Flores to recruit.”

This doesn’t help Flores’ case if true. Owner wants you to meet with Tom Brady, you refuse, TB12 wins a Super Bowl and you expect no blowback? Who refuses to meet with TB12?

 

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Usually I'm pretty quick to dismiss this stuff. Don't know why, but kinda just jumping on Flores side for now.
 

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Would be a lot easier to root for him in this if Flores wasn't such an asshole. The way he treated Tua was just completely unacceptable regardless of whether or not he had wanted Herbet instead. It's not Tua's fault.
 

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I will probably be roasted for this, since everyone is so touchy on topics like this.

Do I think the NFL is racist? No. Do I think there are likely racist people in the NFL? Yes. Do I think the hiring process is inherently racist? No, but I bet it is incredibly rife with biases.

Let me explain my last point. The amount of people that can afford to be a majority owner in a NFL franchise is incredibly small. Those people usually are born into ownership (Bidwills, Hunts, Halas/McKaskey's, etc.) or have been unusually successful in business (also many times being aided by birth). Either way, they have come to age in their professional lives in MAJOR money making organizations. I have yet to find any organization that has that much clout, money and exclusivity that does not come with a great deal of hubris and politics. So I am not surprised when I read something like the lawsuit. Most of the owners set their organization up to be mirrors of what they have known. Most also view this as an investment and/or a way to keep their family insanely wealthy. For most, it has nothing to do with sport.

What can you do to fix it? Well, that is where this gets interesting. I have always thought that they way to get through to these types of people are incentives. They want their product to generate them more wealth. That usually comes with greater success. So what I would do is I would award teams who hire minority coaches / executives with 3rd/4th round picks for three consecutive years (round depends on the position within the team organization, assumes said hire is around for 3 years). This will last until a predefined ratio is achieved (for example, number of HC's / GM's). IT will cycle on and off as needed. This would replace the existing rule that awards picks to teams that LOSE minority coaches to HC positions for two years of draft picks.

It always struck me as odd that the current rule rewarded the people who failed to promote minority candidates. Fix that and incentivize people to hire. Those draft picks can really help teams and provide a better product for the owners. At this point, there is no reason for any owner to seek out diversity.
 
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