COVID-19

[BleedBlueGold]

Israel is usually ahead of the game. Here is the reporting on the 4th dose study becoming less effective against Omnicron. Not sure where to find their actual study.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...ainst-omicron/

*I haven't read this yet. Just a quick comment.

Are they searching for 0 break through case effectiveness? Seems we've hit diminishing returns here, no? OG shots plus booster provide excellent protection from hospitalization and death. The overwhelming number of breakthrough cases resulted in common cold symptoms. Do we really need to get a 4th shot to prevent the mildest of symptoms? When virologists predicted very early on that the virus would mutate into a weak strain that will become endemic and something we'll just have to live with...they were right....and that time is now. Can't we just adjust accordingly?

Does the FDA still not recommend antibody titer testing? Do we have any reliable titer testing at the moment? If no, then why not? Are we just going to continue to boost ourselves into oblivion w/o even questioning what our current levels of protection are? Are we going to continue to freak out over a sore throat and runny nose that lasts for a day or two?

 

[bobbyok1]

Seems as though many epidemiologist are forecasting COVID morphing from a Pandemic to an Endemic very soon, largely due to the nature of Omicron. If accurate this is very good news.

(Posting again, since this was lost in the political mudslinging earlier . . .)

​​​​​​https://youtu.be/U3W84wb5jKo

 

[ab2cmiller]

Seems as though many epidemiologist are forecasting COVID morphing from a Pandemic to an Endemic very soon, largely due to the nature of Omicron. If accurate this is very good news.

(Posting again, since this was lost in the political mudslinging earlier . . .)

​​​​​​https://youtu.be/U3W84wb5jKo

Thank you for reposting. I did miss it the first time. Praise the Lord for Omicron.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Pretty much everyone in my family got COVID over the past two weeks. Everyone except for my unvaccinated daughter #1.

I had J&J no booster
Wife and Daughter #2 Pfizer with no booster
Son #1 Pfizer and boosted about a month ago

Very mild for everyone in our family. Actually the one that probably had it the worst was my son who was boosted.

ND, in their infinite wisdom is forcing Daughter #2 to get boosted, even though she is just recovering from COVID. From what I've read, the booster is somewhat effective against Omicron for about 10 weeks. A totally useless endeavor considering she just got COVID.

 

[IrishLax]

Pretty much everyone in my family got COVID over the past two weeks. Everyone except for my unvaccinated daughter #1.

I had J&J no booster
Wife and Daughter #2 Pfizer with no booster
Son #1 Pfizer and boosted about a month ago

Very mild for everyone in our family. Actually the one that probably had it the worst was my son who was boosted.

ND, in their infinite wisdom is forcing Daughter #2 to get boosted, even though she is just recovering from COVID. From what I've read, the booster is somewhat effective against Omicron for about 10 weeks. A totally useless endeavor considering she just got COVID.

Yup. I don't understand the obsession with boosters for low risk people because it's proven that they only have moderate, short-term efficacy against Omicron. A lot of times they're entirely impractical if someone already got delta/omicron this winter.

 

[yankeehater]

Pretty much everyone in my family got COVID over the past two weeks. Everyone except for my unvaccinated daughter #1.

I had J&J no booster
Wife and Daughter #2 Pfizer with no booster
Son #1 Pfizer and boosted about a month ago

Very mild for everyone in our family. Actually the one that probably had it the worst was my son who was boosted.

ND, in their infinite wisdom is forcing Daughter #2 to get boosted, even though she is just recovering from COVID. From what I've read, the booster is somewhat effective against Omicron for about 10 weeks. A totally useless endeavor considering she just got COVID.

Check with your daughter's doctor before getting her boosted. From everything I have heard, you should not get any of the shots within 90 days of infection. My buddy who was hospitalized in Nov with it still has not been cleared by his doctors to receive the next shot.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Check with your daughter's doctor before getting her boosted. From everything I have heard, you should not get any of the shots within 90 days of infection. My buddy who was hospitalized in Nov with it still has not been cleared by his doctors to receive the next shot.

Thank you. I do have concerns. Ultimately all of the CDC guidance regarding shots/boosters is that they are encouraged to get them as soon as you are fully recovered.

Actually finding some universities are backing off or altering plans regarding boosters in light of Omicron and natural immunity. Unfortunately, ND doesn't appear to be willing to follow the science.

 

[NDPhilly]

Pretty much everyone in my family got COVID over the past two weeks. Everyone except for my unvaccinated daughter #1.

I had J&J no booster
Wife and Daughter #2 Pfizer with no booster
Son #1 Pfizer and boosted about a month ago

Very mild for everyone in our family. Actually the one that probably had it the worst was my son who was boosted.

ND, in their infinite wisdom is forcing Daughter #2 to get boosted, even though she is just recovering from COVID. From what I've read, the booster is somewhat effective against Omicron for about 10 weeks. A totally useless endeavor considering she just got COVID.

Denial of natural immunity (however short-term) has done more to crater the CDC's credibility than any other action IMO. Over 1/3 of the US will be infected with Omicron during this wave (probably a higher % in college students). Counts for nothing in their eyes.

The most "liberal" private colleges are going to try to enforce another booster for fall 2022. Maybe parents will finally stand up to that.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think what some scientists have said is that Omicron evades the current booster. Pfizer and/or Moderna were working on an updated booster for it, probably best to wait till that gets released.although that probably won't be till March.

Just saw this from Fortune today, current boosters do not provide protection from Omicron: https://fortune.com/2022/01/19/covid-19-boosters-block-immunity-omicron-study-finds/

 

[Free Manera]

I think what some scientists have said is that Omicron evades the current booster. Pfizer and/or Moderna were working on an updated booster for it, probably best to wait till that gets released.although that probably won't be till March.

Just saw this from Fortune today, current boosters do not provide protection from Omicron: https://fortune.com/2022/01/19/covid-19-boosters-block-immunity-omicron-study-finds/

That article is weird because the headline says that. But then the article goes on to say how effective the booster is at preventing serious illness and hospitalization.

So the booster does not provide protection in the form of total immunity. I.e. breakthroughs happen. However still provides major protection from serious illness.

 

[ab2cmiller]

That article is weird because the headline says that. But then the article goes on to say how effective the booster is at preventing serious illness and hospitalization.

So the booster does not provide protection in the form of total immunity. I.e. breakthroughs happen. However still provides major protection from serious illness.

But we've been told that the original vaccine without the booster (while showing a drop in preventing infection over time) was still holding up well in preventing serious illness and hospitalization. I believe that to be true. Giving boosters to people with less robust immune systems such as 65+ makes perfect sense.

Requiring boosters for healthy individuals with little risk appears to be all about trying to minimize infection and potential transmission. This simply isn't a realistic solution.

Immunize those that are at risk. Focus on early treatment, which almost nobody is doing. Stay home if you are sick.

 

[Irish#1]

Czech anti-coronavirus vaccine folk singer dies after deliberately getting infected with Covid-19, son says

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/20/europe/czech-singer-death-deliberate-covid-infection-intl/index.html

 

[RDU Irish]

Denial of natural immunity (however short-term) has done more to crater the CDC's credibility than any other action IMO. Over 1/3 of the US will be infected with Omicron during this wave (probably a higher % in college students). Counts for nothing in their eyes.

The most "liberal" private colleges are going to try to enforce another booster for fall 2022. Maybe parents will finally stand up to that.

Our son's college choice will probably come down to what school is the least totalitarian of which he is admitted.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Our son's college choice will probably come down to what school is the least totalitarian of which he is admitted.

Heard a story (un-verified source) that Johns Hopkins might expel a student who's had his first two shots, but before getting his booster, he got sick with Covid and has yet to move forward with getting the booster per his PCP's instructions and ya know, the basic scientific fact that by being sick, his natural antibody level is "boosted."

USC is mandating all three shots, masks, and virtual classes at the moment. Yet not discounting cost of tuition or room/board. My co-worker's daughter is in law school there at the moment.

It's an absolute joke.

 

[notredomer23]

Heard a story (un-verified source) that Johns Hopkins might expel a student who's had his first two shots, but before getting his booster, he got sick with Covid and has yet to move forward with getting the booster per his PCP's instructions and ya know, the basic scientific fact that by being sick, his natural antibody level is "boosted."

USC is mandating all three shots, masks, and virtual classes at the moment. Yet not discounting cost of tuition or room/board. My co-worker's daughter is in law school there at the moment.

It's an absolute joke.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1483946762012401664?s=21[/TWEET]

My company is requiring boosters to return to office. I am as big a proponent of vaccination as there can be and have promoted and defended them throughout this thread. Given my risk profile and the fact I had Omicron, I will not be getting the booster.

 

[RDU Irish]

Heard a story (un-verified source) that Johns Hopkins might expel a student who's had his first two shots, but before getting his booster, he got sick with Covid and has yet to move forward with getting the booster per his PCP's instructions and ya know, the basic scientific fact that by being sick, his natural antibody level is "boosted."

USC is mandating all three shots, masks, and virtual classes at the moment. Yet not discounting cost of tuition or room/board. My co-worker's daughter is in law school there at the moment.

It's an absolute joke.

Closer to lunacy. We would have put him on a gap year if he graduated last year or the year before. Long past time to open the education system back up without any restrictions from top to bottom (K thru college).

 

[irishff1014]

Well I can say I finally that I am a covid statistic as well. The worse part for me was the sore throat. Shew it was awful and felt like a I drank a cup full of glass that was on fire. The rest of the symptoms were minor however I was extremely exhausted. My son tested positive had very minor symptoms. My wife and daughter never got it.

 

[ulukinatme]

Well I can say I finally that I am a covid statistic as well. The worse part for me was the sore throat. Shew it was awful and felt like a I drank a cup full of glass that was on fire. The rest of the symptoms were minor however I was extremely exhausted. My son tested positive had very minor symptoms. My wife and daughter never got it.

Glad you're on the mend! Seems like pretty soon everyone will have gotten Omicron and we'll either be done with this thing (unlikely) or we'll be even closer to endemic status and everyone will build some kind of combination of jabbed immunity and/or natural immunity so maybe this'll all no longer be a big deal.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Our son's college choice will probably come down to what school is the least totalitarian of which he is admitted.

Lol

 

[BleedBlueGold]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1483946762012401664?s=21[/TWEET]

My company is requiring boosters to return to office. I am as big a proponent of vaccination as there can be and have promoted and defended them throughout this thread. Given my risk profile and the fact I had Omicron, I will not be getting the booster.

This is what I was referring to. Thanks for the link. And I agree with you. I did get my booster, but 1) to my knowledge, I haven't had Covid 2) I was a very early jabber having received my dose in December '20...essentially getting my booster around 10 months later and 3) I got it hesitantly, with the mindset that I wish I could've tested antibody levels to see if it was even warranted. With that said, I feel like common sense has had a foot out the door for a long time but now it's essentially completely left the building. The messaging behind this shot needs to trend away from fear/panic/chaos/mandates and more towards the form of yearly flu shots (which aren't even nearly as effective). "Breakthrough cases can and will happen. But the goal is prevent death and hospitalization."

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Lol

Care to elaborate, Cack?

If your child decided on a major and was choosing between schools w/ polar opposite covid policies, you wouldn't factor that in at all?

 

[ulukinatme]

The husband of my wife's colleague passed away after his second shot, my wife just found out. Mid 50s, no known issues prior. Can't imagine what their family is going through.
At this point I've held off this long, I've got natural antibodies, I think I'll revisit the jab in several years when I'm at a higher risk.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Care to elaborate, Cack?

If your child decided on a major and was choosing between schools w/ polar opposite covid policies, you wouldn't factor that in at all?

It made me laugh out loud. Considering institutions have a responsibility to protect their students I don’t blame them for mandating certain things. The fact you would cut a school you want to go to because they mandate masks and or vaccines is hilarious and so on par for RDU. I expected nothing less from him haha

 

[ulukinatme]

I still think high risk individuals should strongly consider getting the jab, but he has a point. We know there's a risk, so there must be a choice. You can't force it on people unless the risk is eliminated.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1485340276709285892[/TWEET]

 

[IrishLax]

I still think high risk individuals should strongly consider getting the jab, but he has a point. We know there's a risk, so there must be a choice. You can't force it on people unless the risk is eliminated.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1485340276709285892[/TWEET]

This is a long read but probably the best, most facts first + neutral piece out there on Malone. Was published a few months ago — https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/619734/

He’s not a quack, but he is clearly chasing clout above all else. He seems jaded that a lot of other people got rich or famous off his “discovery.” And calling himself the inventor of mRNA vaccines because he wrote one academic paper on how something could be hypothetically done in the future says a lot.

 

[ulukinatme]

This is a long read but probably the best, most facts first + neutral piece out there on Malone. Was published a few months ago — https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...rticle/619734/

He’s not a quack, but he is clearly chasing clout above all else. He seems jaded that a lot of other people got rich or famous off his “discovery.” And calling himself the inventor of mRNA vaccines because he wrote one academic paper on how something could be hypothetically done in the future says a lot.

I could see that, chasing the clout that is. I think most of what he says in the clip shouldn't be considered controversial though. We know the boosters aren't working against Omicron, which is why Pfizer and Moderna are releasing another version around March. We likely can't reach herd immunity with this product as we've seen in countries with high vaccination rates the virus still spreads and mutates. There's been new information released that natural antibodies have done better against Omicron. There's certainly some risk from the shots too, however small it may be. For that reason it shouldn't be mandated, it should be a choice. For those that are high risk yes, protect yourself if possible. For the young and healthy they might want to consider at least waiting till the Omicron variant shot is released rather than take the booster based off the original Wuhan strain.

 

[PerthDomer]

I could see that, chasing the clout that is. I think most of what he says in the clip shouldn't be considered controversial though. We know the boosters aren't working against Omicron, which is why Pfizer and Moderna are releasing another version around March. We likely can't reach herd immunity with this product as we've seen in countries with high vaccination rates the virus still spreads and mutates. There's been new information released that natural antibodies have done better against Omicron. There's certainly some risk from the shots too, however small it may be. For that reason it shouldn't be mandated, it should be a choice. For those that are high risk yes, protect yourself if possible. For the young and healthy they might want to consider at least waiting till the Omicron variant shot is released rather than take the booster based off the original Wuhan strain.

The booster shouldn't be called a booster. It should be called the 3rd shot in the primary series. The increased protection above 2 shots provided really outpaces the 50-60% infection it confers. That implies a broadened T cell response which will be important if another more distant from omicron variant pops up.

 

[RDU Irish]

Care to elaborate, Cack?

If your child decided on a major and was choosing between schools w/ polar opposite covid policies, you wouldn't factor that in at all?

Borg gonna Borg. Resistance is futile. God forbid healthy young men don't cower in the face of the sniffles.

 

[RDU Irish]

It made me laugh out loud. Considering institutions have a responsibility to protect their students I don’t blame them for mandating certain things. The fact you would cut a school you want to go to because they mandate masks and or vaccines is hilarious and so on par for RDU. I expected nothing less from him haha

100s of good colleges out there - outside of a few top institutions (like ND) is there really anything that unique to favor one over another? These policies seem to be a leading indicator of an excessively liberal shitscape. Being a young non-liberal (even worse a white male) - kid has the trifecta of liberal triggering qualities. Unfortunately, colleges are incredibly liberal across the board so there is really no escaping it.

Admit it though - masks are theatre and have been from the start. All these conspiracy theories proving true yet you still hold on to the one proven false - Russia Collusion.

 

[ACamp1900]

Just a side,… I’m sick and frustrated so excuse me if I’m unclear:

Whole family got sick,… I’m still sick,… got tested per both my wife and my employer’s directives… had to shelter until results came back. So, all results in the family come back yesterday as negative for COVID and now the attitudes of our employers are both, ‘okay see you in office today…’ but I’m still sick with whatever this is,.., it’s like no one accepts anything other than Covid exists anymore.