Superconferences & Realignment

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USC and maybe Oregon are the only true attractive teams so I'm not sure that would be a super conference unless they go strictly by the number of schools. Even with teams from the Big 12, I can't see the AAC being able to attract much of a TV deal compared to the big boys.

Washington and UCLA are definitely both attractive. If I'm the PAC-12, I'm much more interested in an alliance with the B1G than with the Big 12 though. Honestly none of the remaining 8 move the needle at all.
 

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USC and maybe Oregon are the only true attractive teams so I'm not sure that would be a super conference unless they go strictly by the number of schools. Even with teams from the Big 12, I can't see the AAC being able to attract much of a TV deal compared to the big boys.

I am reminded of this...




The problem with the Pac-12, is that it's full of West Coast teams.

Consider this....last year, the highest rated viewership game involving 2 teams west of Kansas was the PAC12 championship game, which ranked as the 36th most watched game of the year and drew 3.85 million average viewers and the second most watched game was USC and UCLA, coming in at 49th with 3.24 million viewers. In case you want to argue "pandemic impact" given the PAC12 weirdness last year, 2019 wasn't any better with the best game ranking 32nd nationally, which was the championship game.

If that wasn't enough, consider this.....the Big Ten Network had an average of 54 million subscribers last year, with $0.59 in fees per month. The PAC 12 Network had just 16.3M, at a fee of just $0.10 per month. As a result, there was a difference of $24M in distribution per team between B10 and P12, meaning P12 needs a mere 75% increase to get back to even with the B10.

You can argue the exact same thing for the remaining B12 teams....who is going to draw viewership locally when up against A&M or UT or OU during the same time slot? You can't schedule around that, at least not practically. The eyeballs that watch college football are east of Colorado and south of NYC. Nothing is going to change that. But it's still the major brands that drive the ratings, as the casual fan doesn't care about Iowa versus Iowa State and won't watch. They will watch Iowa versus Ohio State though.

In the end, this is what is going to happen....the major "Brands" have realized there is more power in a concentrated ~32 team "super league" and will leave everyone else to what's left over. OU and Texas just did this, but that is only the first step. Remember, outside the ACC, all rights are up over the next 3 years. These teams know by having equal share in conference, they are/were leaving money on the table. Next will be Oregon and USC in the Pac 12. They know they are the only teams that bring viewership. They will likely split off soon too. The Big 10 is a bit different with the educational ties, but there will be pressure to stop letting schools like Nebraska, Minny, Northwestern collect the same amount that Michigan, Penn State and OSU does. In the end, the OU's, Texas, OSU, ND's, Bama, UGA, etc will form a mega league. On top of that, the best players from the "next league down", will be poached with the updated transfer rules. The leftovers will be an unofficial CFB minor league to the super conference (which will be the NFL minor league with NIL).

The only potential hiccup in the end is how the CFP get's structured. I think the schools that are likely to be left out have quickly come to the conclusion that the inevitable is going to happen much sooner than they thought and will do whatever they can to prevent it. Whether that means blocking ESPN from exclusive rights after the 25-26 season, blocking conferences from having more than 2 teams, or some sort of record requirement for at-large (example, cannot have more than 2 losses). Effectively, they will attempt to disincentive the money grab.

The only way the major programs can navigate around that is to consolidate power now to prevent the "lesser" teams of having a seat at the table...see OU and Texas. But if I was a fan of Ole Miss, Miss State, Missouri or anyone similar, I would be quite concerned at what is likely to happen over the next 10 years. It's Kansas, Kansas Sate and TTU getting screwed today and the fan boys are crying SEC!! SEC!! SEC!!. But their execution day is not too far off.
 

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Washington and UCLA are definitely both attractive. If I'm the PAC-12, I'm much more interested in an alliance with the B1G than with the Big 12 though. Honestly none of the remaining 8 move the needle at all.

Too an extent, but IMO not on the same level as USC and Oregon if you look at their history. Even though USC and UCLA reside in one of the largest TV markets they still battle all of the other activities for an audience and viewership is what is driving this. If ND was typically an 8-4 team, a conference would probably still want them over Clemson.
 

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I am reminded of this...




Consider this....last year, the highest rated viewership game involving 2 teams west of Kansas was the PAC12 championship game, which ranked as the 36th most watched game of the year and drew 3.85 million average viewers and the second most watched game was USC and UCLA, coming in at 49th with 3.24 million viewers. In case you want to argue "pandemic impact" given the PAC12 weirdness last year, 2019 wasn't any better with the best game ranking 32nd nationally, which was the championship game.

That's insane to me; really goes to show you how much USC needs that ND rivalry. The last primetime ABC game between ND/USC was in 2018 and got over 7 million views.
 

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That's insane to me; really goes to show you how much USC needs that ND rivalry. The last primetime ABC game between ND/USC was in 2018 and got over 7 million views.

Well, USC needs to win consistently in general if they want eyeballs. But beyond that, they also have trouble with the fact that a lot of eyeballs are closed if they want to play a prime-time night game.
 

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That's insane to me; really goes to show you how much USC needs that ND rivalry. The last primetime ABC game between ND/USC was in 2018 and got over 7 million views.

Here is some additional info. The figures I gave were PAC12 vs PAC12 teams. In 2019 (last OOC games), the PAC12 had 8 games (excluding bowl games) over 3 million viewers.

Oregon v. Auburn (Opening Weekend)
Oregon v Utah (Conf Championship)
Oregon v. ASU
Colorado v. Nebraska
Oregon v. USC
Oregon v. Wash
ND v. Stanford
ND v. USC

As you can see, Oregon is the only team drawing eyeballs and it's because the games were picked up on ABC/ESPN most of the time. Appalling that only 3(!!!!) regular season Pac 12 conference games drew an average of 3 million viewers, all involving Oregon.

Nobody watches the PAC12 because nobody cares. Adding the Pac12 as a whole is a non-starter unless people are desperate (B12 / AAC). The only team that could move the needle is Oregon, mayyyyyybe USC (think someone would gamble on them though). So why would any conference want to dilute their payout? They don't and they won't, hence "select" brands with similar appeal will join together in the National College Football League (NCFL).
 

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People in general just have more options now. From a sports perspective, I don't watch many games outside of ND like I used to before. I watch way more English Premier League, MLB, NBA and NFL when it comes to sports. There is a myriad of streaming options with high quality shows and movies available. Then there is good old fashioned reading. It's a combination of a lot of things for me personally and I know I'm not alone. I do think on ND message boards I'm in the minority when it comes to following professional sports, but outside of that, I don't know many people who care much about college sports anymore unless they went to a Power Five school.

Even if I have the free time, I don't know how motivated I am to sit and watch Alabama play LSU or Michigan play Penn State. I just don't care enough to bother. Even with Covid, other than watching someone like Coastal Carolina or Louisiana last year, I wasn't terribly interested in what was going on enough to invest 3-4 hours watching a game that didn't involve ND.

Notre Dame winning another National Championship is really what motivates me as a consumer of college football. Once they no longer have an opportunity, the season takes on a totally different meaning for me, especially when it comes to viewing as a neutral with the rest of the field.
 

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Nebraska going to leave the B1G? Some announcement planned for Thursday.
 

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Source please. I can’t find anything.

Some dumb reporter was being cryptic about dropping a bombshell to drum up clicks. It was going to make Nebraska fans happy and the B1G mad.

It's just a documentary accusing the B1G of not following its own rules when it originally suspended the 2020 season. College football will never be the same with this knowledge.
 
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ideal outcome
 

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The best thing to come with this would be for there to be more inter-conference games (i.e. 8 conf games, 2 OOC games for every team) thereby limiting the number of cupcakes played. It'd also make ranking teams easier.
 

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Should go ahead and make the first super conference. With an alliance, I can still see teams still leaving. It also tells me that any possible expansions of the B1G, ACC and Pac12 never gained any momentum.
 

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This would be cool, and try to marginalize the SEC at the same time - that would be a positive outcome for the sport and for fans. Hope it happens.
 

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Great news for ND. B1G, P12, and I guess the Phillips led ACC want to at least keep the veil of academics matter. The last piece to the puzzle is the alliance gives Fox the balls to say we want a piece of the Playoff puzzle.
 

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Just curious how people see this playing out for ND if the ACC, PAC-12, and B1G merge? What is the most likely next move, or does everyone expect it to be business, and independence, as usual for us?
 

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I’d think essentially business as usual scheduling wise. ACC deal is the same. P12 wouldn’t want SC/Stanford to lose their ND games. B1G teams we’ve been sporadic with anyways.
 

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Just curious how people see this playing out for ND if the ACC, PAC-12, and B1G merge? What is the most likely next move, or does everyone expect it to be business, and independence, as usual for us?

as a practical matter, ND is at the table on this with regard to non-football sports in the ACC. So if their hand was forced, they wouldn’t be caught off guard. I have zero concerns about ND being left out of the mix on this. I fully expect it will be business as usua, with ND on the side of the alliance.
 

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Massive for the Pac-12. Wanted or not if Oregon or SC could get a non-con win versus a B1G and ACC team in a given season their path to the playoff (or higher seeding) in the future is there. Unless of course they just lose them all haha. SC taking on ND and OSU in one year coming?
 

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Massive for the Pac-12. Wanted or not if Oregon or SC could get a non-con win versus a B1G and ACC team in a given season their path to the playoff (or higher seeding) in the future is there. Unless of course they just lose them all haha. SC taking on ND and OSU in one year coming?

This is shaping up to be a battle of which model of CFB in the future will win out....the NFL minor league model that the SEC wants, or the semi-pro / collegiate hybrid model that the others clearly prefer. They can probably co-exist for awhile, but not for too long. I honestly don't think this would change one thing about the direction of CFB, just probably slow it down, which is what I surmise as the intent.
 

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Massive for the Pac-12. Wanted or not if Oregon or SC could get a non-con win versus a B1G and ACC team in a given season their path to the playoff (or higher seeding) in the future is there. Unless of course they just lose them all haha. SC taking on ND and OSU in one year coming?

USC would probably fight any schedule that has them playing ND & OSU in the same year. Would be curious to see how the Pac12 does overall against the B1G. Non-con games probably played before conference games begin, but would like to see them visit Minnesota or Wisconsin in late November.
 

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USC would probably fight any schedule that has them playing ND & OSU in the same year. Would be curious to see how the Pac12 does overall against the B1G. Non-con games probably played before conference games begin, but would like to see them visit Minnesota or Wisconsin in late November.

I don’t think they give up the ND annual game and the OSU game is bound to happen so I think we will see it. In the expanded playoff, Pac 12 Champ w/ 1-1 non con win/loss versus ND/OSU would be looked favorably on.
 
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