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It lacks context and is rather idiotic, imo.

Watch how the kid in Kenosha approached the police and watch how the kids who ran from or attempted to flee the police handled them. Study it. Think about it. Put yourself in the cops shoes.

report back.

You're soooooooo close to the answer on why the kid who had just killed someone is more comfortable with law enforcement than the kid who got killed. I think if you keep working on that angle you'll eventually find the answer, bud.

Let us know what you find.
 

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You're soooooooo close to the answer on why the kid who had just killed someone is more comfortable with law enforcement than the kid who got killed. I think if you keep working on that angle you'll eventually find the answer, bud.

Let us know what you find.

Ehhh... that dog does not hunt.

If you shoot a guy... and in your mind you did it in self defense and have a group of people chasing you.... you probably aren't gonna be police-averse. That's not even getting into the other factors.

I havent looked into the Chicago thing much, but with the Kenosha kid, I don't care who is in that spot, they are probably happy to see the police.
 

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Ehhh... that dog does not hunt.

If you shoot a guy... and in your mind you did it in self defense and have a group of people chasing you.... you probably aren't gonna be police-averse. That's not even getting into the other factors.

I havent looked into the Chicago thing much, but with the Kenosha kid, I don't care who is in that spot, they are probably happy to see the police.

We can walk through any number of excerises about it, doesn't matter at all what the person is thinking if the cop is thinking something else. I mean....Daniel Shaver likely didn't think he was going to be killed as he wasn't doing anything. That's not even getting into anyone of a non-white complexion, i know how sensitive these parts are to that.

If you're getting treated like how he got treated pre-killing of those people then hell ya I'd be glad to see the guys who gave me water and thanked me for being there.
 

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We can walk through any number of excerises about it, doesn't matter at all what the person is thinking if the cop is thinking something else. I mean....Daniel Shaver likely didn't think he was going to be killed as he wasn't doing anything. That's not even getting into anyone of a non-white complexion, i know how sensitive these parts are to that.

If you're getting treated like how he got treated pre-killing of those people then hell ya I'd be glad to see the guys who gave me water and thanked me for being there.

Just being an individual... regardless of earlier treatment by police, with a mob chasing you...I think you'll be pretty happy to see the cops. That's the people who... particularly if you think you have done nothing wrong... you want to run into.

I'll look into the Chicago kid tomorrow. Seeing the routine "oh he had a gun" stuff and also seeing that picture of him with empty hands... either way, got a dead kid and that's a sad deal either way.
 

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How do you characterize Jason Whitlock then? A black guy who claims to be apolitical but strongly opposes woke sports media and woke athletes, and also critical of BLM as an organization.

He's also a race hustler... just going against the grain. He wants to talk about how race doesn't matter, but every. single. article. he wrote for Travis' website was about race lol. Which leads me to...

He definitely likes to promote some agendas and goes after the woke, but his core is sports and is why he’s on the radio. Sharpton shows up to incidents and events all the time. Travis hasn’t went that far yet. Jesse Jackson isn’t nearly as visible as he use to be, but from what I remember he doesn’t fan the flames like Sharpton.

His core is sports, and his primary message is "keep politics out of sports," but you'll notice that he continues to talk about keeping politics out of sports, and his website and Twitter feeds are constantly presenting right-leaning political viewpoints to counter the 'woke' sports media. So do you want to keep politics out of sports, or do you want to keep riling up the conservatives that subscribe to your media???

He's a race hustler in his own way, even under the guise of "I just love sports and boobs and everyone on the far left is crazy"
 

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It lacks context and is rather idiotic, imo.

Watch how the kid in Kenosha approached the police and watch how the kids who ran from or attempted to flee the police handled them. Study it. Think about it. Put yourself in the cops shoes.

report back.

If you watch the video of the Adam Toledo shooting and think "if I was in the cops shoes, I also would've murdered this kid with empty hands" then you are the problem.
 
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Btw the point was that if you're a certain type of person you can walk around with an AR-15 ready to shoot people and nothing will happen to you... but if you're a different kind of person you will get shot for: 1. turning your back to a cop 2. putting your hands up 3. playing with an air soft gun in your driveway 4. trying to comply with orders while laying face down on the carpet of your apartment. And on and on and on. There is literally no difference between the 16-year old honor student who was shot by police in Maryland or Tamir Rice and some right wing Oathkeeper open carrying... except that the former didn't have real guns but had the cops called on them for acting "suspicious." It's weird how the strongest 2A people are completely fine with the cops getting called on kids and then those trigger happy cops executing them rather than processing the situation in an appropriate manner.
 
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Another classic. Man did not have a gun on him, but because cops were called on him for having one the cop was given carte blanche to execute him as he tried to comply with orders.

But at the same time you can open carry in front of cops with real guns and literally nothing happens to you. It's cognitive dissonance that cops are allowed to shoot someone without consequences if they "think they have a gun" but then the law also says "you can carry a gun openly". We are routinely seeing kids murdered for having air soft guns or adults shot while not armed at all, and the pretext given does not jibe with how others are permitted to behave.
 
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You're soooooooo close to the answer on why the kid who had just killed someone is more comfortable with law enforcement than the kid who got killed. I think if you keep working on that angle you'll eventually find the answer, bud.

Let us know what you find.

Here's what I found. Kenosha Kid was calm and cooperated with the police and didn't flee the police. When the police approached Kyle it was without cause for criminal concern as he was only walking by. They were unaware that he had just fired at 3 individuals in what many would call self-defense.

Daunte Wright was approached with warrants and fled the police while resisting arrest. Had Daunte acted like Kyle, he would be alive.
Anthony Toledo fled the police and was being chased and pulled the gun in front of cops in pursuit. Had Kyle fled the police and pointed his DPMS at the cops, he would look like Toledo. Had Toledo acted like Kyle, he would be alive.
Michael Brown didn't flee, but actually approached the vehicle. While unarmed, he actually took aggression towards the officer and attempted to become armed. Had Michael Brown acted like Kyle, he would be alive?
Jacob Blake would be walking and running today had he handled himself like Kyle.

I don't celebrate these people's misfortunes, in fact, they are quite sad. A 13-year-old engaged in activities like Toledo was is sad and I blame the adults in his life.

See the trend?

That's not to say that ALL of these incidents work that way. I think every incident has to be looked at on an island without consideration of another.

Daniel Shaver's incident was the most atrocious in my eyes as he was led to an obstacle course in the hotel hallway and shot by an insane cop. Eric Garner probably could have done more to calm the cops, but he was in no way deserving of what he got and that cop should be jailed. Walter Scott shouldn't have fled but didn't deserve what he got and the cop should be and is in jail.

See? I found the answer.
 

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If you watch the video of the Adam Toledo shooting and think "if I was in the cops shoes, I also would've murdered this kid with empty hands" then you are the problem.

The truth is you root for guys like Rittenhouse and Chauvin because you dislike the people they are killing.

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Yeah which he had dropped before he was shot. Like this isn't complicated at all. He had a gun -> he pitched the gun -> he put his hands up -> the cop shot him

838 milliseconds elapsed. He pulled the gun out. How many cops do you need to see get shot in these interactions to understand that this kid pulled a gun out and the cop did what he was trained to do?

I don't cheer for this stuff either. I recognize that cops get shot at and die way too often and have a crazy job that I am not willing to do. They deal with the scum of the earth on a routine basis who often aren't prosecuted or plea-bargained back to the streets. Each of these issues is different and in some cases, I sympathize with the cop and in others the person on the street.

I think it is wildly ignorant to assume race had a role in Toledo's shooting for a decision that was made in 838 milliseconds or that a white kid would have been treated differently.

Also, I didn't cheer for Chauvin. I don't think cops should lean in on a handcuffed man. I sympathize for cops who have to detain people like George Floyd and deal with crowds of people, any of which could have been armed or violent.
 
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Yeah which he had dropped before he was shot. Like this isn't complicated at all. He had a gun -> he pitched the gun -> he put his hands up -> the cop shot him

I didnt realize cops could deny someone due process by killing them extrajudicially. Am I missing something? Regardless of previous events... the kid raised his hands (surrendering) and the cops intentionally killed him. Regardless of this persons previous crimes or actions, if you value our Justice system at all and the foundations of it, the kid should have been detained and had his day in court just like Chauvin is getting right now.
 

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Btw the point was that if you're a certain type of person you can walk around with an AR-15 ready to shoot people and nothing will happen to you... but if you're a different kind of person you will get shot for: 1. turning your back to a cop 2. putting your hands up 3. playing with an air soft gun in your driveway 4. trying to comply with orders while laying face down on the carpet of your apartment. And on and on and on. There is literally no difference between the 16-year old honor student who was shot by police in Maryland or Tamir Rice and some right wing Oathkeeper open carrying... except that the former didn't have real guns but had the cops called on them for acting "suspicious." It's weird how the strongest 2A people are completely fine with the cops getting called on kids and then those trigger happy cops executing them rather than processing the situation in an appropriate manner.

Sorry to keep quoting you but keep posting great commentary that I would like to add to. IMO there is a major problem from which the police state suffers and its a hyper militaristic mentality based in a fear of death and distrust in the people they are working to supposedly protect and serve. You know my wife and I are heavily invovled with our local PD efforts to alter and progress community relations... if ther is one thing that has been made very clear is that there is a genuine distrust btw the parties and there is no clear answer as any backing down on either side may lead to an officers death by not being prepared or a citizens death by a heavily armed and scared officer.

LEOs would rather shoot certain people yet they expend every effort not kill certain people who do this:
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1382863961515819011[/TWEET]
 
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Here's what I found. Kenosha Kid was calm and cooperated with the police and didn't flee the police. When the police approached Kyle it was without cause for criminal concern as he was only walking by. They were unaware that he had just fired at 3 individuals in what many would call self-defense.

Daunte Wright was approached with warrants and fled the police while resisting arrest. Had Daunte acted like Kyle, he would be alive.
Anthony Toledo fled the police and was being chased and pulled the gun in front of cops in pursuit. Had Kyle fled the police and pointed his DPMS at the cops, he would look like Toledo. Had Toledo acted like Kyle, he would be alive.
Michael Brown didn't flee, but actually approached the vehicle. While unarmed, he actually took aggression towards the officer and attempted to become armed. Had Michael Brown acted like Kyle, he would be alive?
Jacob Blake would be walking and running today had he handled himself like Kyle.

I don't celebrate these people's misfortunes, in fact, they are quite sad. A 13-year-old engaged in activities like Toledo was is sad and I blame the adults in his life.

See the trend?

That's not to say that ALL of these incidents work that way. I think every incident has to be looked at on an island without consideration of another.

Daniel Shaver's incident was the most atrocious in my eyes as he was led to an obstacle course in the hotel hallway and shot by an insane cop. Eric Garner probably could have done more to calm the cops, but he was in no way deserving of what he got and that cop should be jailed. Walter Scott shouldn't have fled but didn't deserve what he got and the cop should be and is in jail.

See? I found the answer.

Humanity - that's the answer. Just because they're black doesn't mean need they need to die. Hell, even if they did petty crime in their past they don't need to die.

I love the hoops needed to jump through to get to the point of "Oh gee, Kyle was just a kid who drove to another state heavily armed with intent to provide vigilante services. He's not at fault here at all" and then leap to "Yeah that gang banging thug, out on the streets smh. Kid should know better than to be outside. Oh, he's got a nickname? Yeah he got what was coming"

Referring to KR as "Kyle" is so bizzare, the kid drove to another state with intent to kill. But a kid in grade 7? Nah, he gets a nickname like lil homicide and boom deserves it.

Oh, the "bad parenting" aspect. When it's a black person struggling with drugs in the city it's their fault and all bad things that come their way is ok. If it's a Deliverance doppelganger addicted to opioids then it's a travesty.

I don't even need to read your Parler account to know February is your least favorite month.
 

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Humanity - that's the answer. Just because they're black doesn't mean need they need to die. Hell, even if they did petty crime in their past they don't need to die.

I love the hoops needed to jump through to get to the point of "Oh gee, Kyle was just a kid who drove to another state heavily armed with intent to provide vigilante services. He's not at fault here at all" and then leap to "Yeah that gang banging thug, out on the streets smh. Kid should know better than to be outside. Oh, he's got a nickname? Yeah he got what was coming"

Referring to KR as "Kyle" is so bizzare, the kid drove to another state with intent to kill. But a kid in grade 7? Nah, he gets a nickname like lil homicide and boom deserves it.

Oh, the "bad parenting" aspect. When it's a black person struggling with drugs in the city it's their fault and all bad things that come their way is ok. If it's a Deliverance doppelganger addicted to opioids then it's a travesty.

I don't even need to read your Parler account to know February is your least favorite month.
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Humanity - that's the answer. Just because they're black doesn't mean need they need to die. Hell, even if they did petty crime in their past they don't need to die.

I love the hoops needed to jump through to get to the point of "Oh gee, Kyle was just a kid who drove to another state heavily armed with intent to provide vigilante services. He's not at fault here at all" and then leap to "Yeah that gang banging thug, out on the streets smh. Kid should know better than to be outside. Oh, he's got a nickname? Yeah he got what was coming"

Referring to KR as "Kyle" is so bizzare, the kid drove to another state with intent to kill. But a kid in grade 7? Nah, he gets a nickname like lil homicide and boom deserves it.

Oh, the "bad parenting" aspect. When it's a black person struggling with drugs in the city it's their fault and all bad things that come their way is ok. If it's a Deliverance doppelganger addicted to opioids then it's a travesty.

I don't even need to read your Parler account to know February is your least favorite month.

Lax's post was over the line, he went back and edited it. I suggest you do the same.
 

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Btw the point was that if you're a certain type of person you can walk around with an AR-15 ready to shoot people and nothing will happen to you... but if you're a different kind of person you will get shot for: 1. turning your back to a cop 2. putting your hands up 3. playing with an air soft gun in your driveway 4. trying to comply with orders while laying face down on the carpet of your apartment. And on and on and on. There is literally no difference between the 16-year old honor student who was shot by police in Maryland or Tamir Rice and some right wing Oathkeeper open carrying... except that the former didn't have real guns but had the cops called on them for acting "suspicious." It's weird how the strongest 2A people are completely fine with the cops getting called on kids and then those trigger happy cops executing them rather than processing the situation in an appropriate manner.

What kind of person? Its still unclear what you are talking about. Especially since your next post probably contradicts what you are trying to say in this post. Especially since the Police Officer not only did not get jail time or convicted of anything, he was rehired so he could retire and collect a $31k pension.

I think the huge different between Kyle Rittenhouse situation and pretty much all others is that it was during protest/riots. Police are routinely told to stand down in these events. People are sometimes assualted right in front of police. Often times the police are assaulted during these events and they do nothing. For people to act like Kyle Rittenhouse situation in the middle of a sitaution police are routinely told to stand down is ignorant of facts and blatant cherry picking.
 

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I didnt realize cops could deny someone due process by killing them extrajudicially. Am I missing something? Regardless of previous events... the kid raised his hands (surrendering) and the cops intentionally killed him. Regardless of this persons previous crimes or actions, if you value our Justice system at all and the foundations of it, the kid should have been detained and had his day in court just like Chauvin is getting right now.

It is less a question of due process and more a question of raw stupidity. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Lil Homicide was much more likely to be killed by another dumb ass gangster of the same color than by the cops - he is only news b/c he fits the preferred divisive narrative. And I am no fan of cops but understand they have power over me and can f-up my life so I treat them with the appropriate "respect". Just mind numbing to me the same people promoting more government control of every aspect of our lives also hate the enforcers - then claim the FBI and CIA are some how more pure and altruistic than standard boys (and girls) in blue.
 

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Sorry to keep quoting you but keep posting great commentary that I would like to add to. IMO there is a major problem from which the police state suffers and its a hyper militaristic mentality based in a fear of death and distrust in the people they are working to supposedly protect and serve. You know my wife and I are heavily invovled with our local PD efforts to alter and progress community relations... if ther is one thing that has been made very clear is that there is a genuine distrust btw the parties and there is no clear answer as any backing down on either side may lead to an officers death by not being prepared or a citizens death by a heavily armed and scared officer.

LEOs would rather shoot certain people yet they expend every effort not kill certain people who do this:
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1382863961515819011[/TWEET]

How many of these incidents do you need to see? This here is reality. This is why cops have to be alert and can't just trust people.

Have you ever talked to a cop about what they see at night and what they respond to? It sounds like you do, but you don't get the distrust. Here's why- Any cop in America is 10 seconds on duty away from being Darren Wilson. A cop can go from responding to providing needed care for an infant to getting an alert about a robbery in progress and stopping two people who fit the description and then having a 6'4 292lb person attack your squad car and you take action to defend yourself when he charges you. You were just attacked and defended yourself on duty- what does Wilson get?

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Wilson's prize for having life endangered and doing what he was trained to do in a crap job in a lousy community is a FAKE news narrative pushed by athletes, journos, liars in the community, activists, and so on that he just murdered a man with his hands up. He gets cartoons depicting him as a klansman. The community he was protecting gets burned, looted, and destroyed. His home address gets exposed. His career ruined. He gets multiple prosecutors hell-bent on charges investigating him and they find NONE. The man gets demonized on TV for weeks and then has multiple US Senators and this future veep framing him as a murderer for years after multiple investigations cleared him of wrongdoing.

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Any cop in America could be Darren Wilson doing the correct thing when attacked by a criminal and because we have a society that doesn't give two shits about accountability and treats criminals as martyrs. We don't punish kids in schools and have raised a whole generation to think that they will be chased by cops and to develop a victim mentality.

This is why smart cops quit responding so fast in these cities and the crime rates surged. They didn't want to have to do their damn job and become a CNN target. No meaningful conversation will occur anytime soon on race and policing because the radicals have turned this into something crazy that it is not. Now every city in America needs to be boarded up every time some gang member with a gun puts himself in a shit position with a cop.


The militarization of the police is something that actually alarms me as well. It was first alarming to me when the city of Boston turned into something resembling Fallujah to chase the bombing suspect. #BostonStrong was kind of a joke in reality. Cops shouldn't look like stormtroopers. Granted, we need security when people board up and lock people in federal buildings try to burn them, and handle out-of-control riots. Normal cops don't need to look like soldiers and don't need tanks, minesweepers, crazy gear, and all that jazz. We need a line between normal and emergency response.
a-swat-team-with-guns-drawn-raided-a-peaceful-protest-in-texas-arrests-demonstrators-750x445.jpg

This kind of response to shut down a bar in America is insane.

We saw last summer how dangerous riots grow out of control and cops lose control of cities. People trapped in homes and businesses approached by violent (YES VIOLENT) rioters who had 911 calls unanswered and not responded to is insanity. Unanswered 911 calls on highways shut down by violent protestors beating and assaulting people should never be acceptable, but we need a police force capable of preventing this and not one that looks like the Marine Corps. It's a tricky balance, but something we need to answer and something I have zero confidence in Democrats who frame people like Darren Wilson as murderers (wholeheartedly rejecting our justice system in the process) or call for defunding, eliminating policing, ending incarceration to solve.

Record gun sales suggest I am not alone in this thought and it will only get worse because we are drifting further from the solution, not towards it. We are certainly headed towards a summer of violence. Things are only going to get worse from here and it is our responsibility to defend ourselves appropriately, raise our kids to not be Daunte Wright or Lil Homicide engaged in crime and fleeing cops, not shove minors with rifles in dangerous riot conditions, and to work towards the conversations we need to have.
 

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Sorry to keep quoting you but keep posting great commentary that I would like to add to. IMO there is a major problem from which the police state suffers and its a hyper militaristic mentality based in a fear of death and distrust in the people they are working to supposedly protect and serve. You know my wife and I are heavily invovled with our local PD efforts to alter and progress community relations... if ther is one thing that has been made very clear is that there is a genuine distrust btw the parties and there is no clear answer as any backing down on either side may lead to an officers death by not being prepared or a citizens death by a heavily armed and scared officer.

LEOs would rather shoot certain people yet they expend every effort not kill certain people who do this:
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1382863961515819011[/TWEET]

I would be all for shooting that MFer dead - but they never had a clear shot. The tactical dude was looking for it but the cop with his arm stuck in the window was directly in the line of fire. Dominant arm stuck in the window so probably has his service weapon inaccessible and tasers tend to be ineffective through a fvcking window. C'mon man.
 

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How many of these incidents do you need to see? This here is reality. This is why cops have to be alert and can't just trust people.

Have you ever talked to a cop about what they see at night and what they respond to? It sounds like you do, but you don't get the distrust. Here's why- Any cop in America is 10 seconds on duty away from being Darren Wilson. A cop can go from responding to providing needed care for an infant to getting an alert about a robbery in progress and stopping two people who fit the description and then having a 6'4 292lb person attack your squad car and you take action to defend yourself when he charges you. You were just attacked and defended yourself on duty- what does Wilson get?

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Wilson's prize for having life endangered and doing what he was trained to do in a crap job in a lousy community is a FAKE news narrative pushed by athletes, journos, liars in the community, activists, and so on that he just murdered a man with his hands up. He gets cartoons depicting him as a klansman. The community he was protecting gets burned, looted, and destroyed. His home address gets exposed. His career ruined. He gets multiple prosecutors hell-bent on charges investigating him and they find NONE. The man gets demonized on TV for weeks and then has multiple US Senators and this future veep framing him as a murderer for years after multiple investigations cleared him of wrongdoing.

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Any cop in America could be Darren Wilson doing the correct thing when attacked by a criminal and because we have a society that doesn't give two shits about accountability and treats criminals as martyrs. We don't punish kids in schools and have raised a whole generation to think that they will be chased by cops and to develop a victim mentality.

This is why smart cops quit responding so fast in these cities and the crime rates surged. They didn't want to have to do their damn job and become a CNN target. No meaningful conversation will occur anytime soon on race and policing because the radicals have turned this into something crazy that it is not. Now every city in America needs to be boarded up every time some gang member with a gun puts himself in a shit position with a cop.


The militarization of the police is something that actually alarms me as well. It was first alarming to me when the city of Boston turned into something resembling Fallujah to chase the bombing suspect. #BostonStrong was kind of a joke in reality. Cops shouldn't look like stormtroopers. Granted, we need security when people board up and lock people in federal buildings try to burn them, and handle out-of-control riots. Normal cops don't need to look like soldiers and don't need tanks, minesweepers, crazy gear, and all that jazz. We need a line between normal and emergency response.
a-swat-team-with-guns-drawn-raided-a-peaceful-protest-in-texas-arrests-demonstrators-750x445.jpg

This kind of response to shut down a bar in America is insane.

We saw last summer how dangerous riots grow out of control and cops lose control of cities. People trapped in homes and businesses approached by violent (YES VIOLENT) rioters who had 911 calls unanswered and not responded to is insanity. Unanswered 911 calls on highways shut down by violent protestors beating and assaulting people should never be acceptable, but we need a police force capable of preventing this and not one that looks like the Marine Corps. It's a tricky balance, but something we need to answer and something I have zero confidence in Democrats who frame people like Darren Wilson as murderers (wholeheartedly rejecting our justice system in the process) or call for defunding, eliminating policing, ending incarceration to solve.

Record gun sales suggest I am not alone in this thought and it will only get worse because we are drifting further from the solution, not towards it. We are certainly headed towards a summer of violence. Things are only going to get worse from here and it is our responsibility to defend ourselves appropriately, raise our kids to not be Daunte Wright or Lil Homicide engaged in crime and fleeing cops, not shove minors with rifles in dangerous riot conditions, and to work towards the conversations we need to have.

AMEN!

The whole "hands up don't shoot" lie is the most blatant line of BS on the planet and I can't believe the number of people who just guzzle it down hook, line and sinker. Three years later we still pander to this shit b/c everyone is too scared of being labeled a racist. Bald faced lie.

And a time where police no longer respond to calls is exactly the time I need a 10+ round magazine for my weapon.
 

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Yeah the media is not mentioning all the details of what happened before this situation and of course cherry picking what film scenes are shown. Mother was not mothering at all, he was missing for 48 hours mom didn’t care, he was running around firing a gun with his gangbanging 21 year old friend. Ran from the cop and had a gun in his hand before he was shot. Once again, let’s make the kid and mom be the victims to stir up peoples emotions. Schools have been totally closed for a year and his family situation was such that he found more family in a local gang as a result.

This is an absolutely awful comment. It's the victim's (and of course the media once again!) fault????

We basically have 2 ways to look at this situation:

1) It's blatant police misconduct.

2) The kid had a gun but threw it away at the last second, it's a difficult grey area, but he technically surrendered and was shot anyway.

The cop only shot once and immediately administered first aid and calls for an ambulance so I'm willing to cut him some slack but....

Toledo was shot on March 29th and the district attorney over this past weekend (prior to the video footage being released) in court in front of a judge said Toledo had a gun in his right hand when shot. The video gets released and the DA's office had to correct that statement: "An attorney who works in this office failed to fully inform himself before speaking in court. Errors like that cannot happen and this has been addressed with the individual involved. The video speaks for itself." Then you have the union president on TV yesterday say the kid should've been shot twice, that's what they're trained to do. Come on.

So, that makes me want to move away from No. 2 above. I feel somewhat for the officer but not the Chicago police as a whole who looked well on their way to lying and sweeping the truth about killing a 7th grader under the rug.

Also, for more context: 376 Chicago police have died from gunfire in their ~150 year history. On average, 2 per year. It's been 2.5 years since the last death, and 3 deaths by gunfire in a decade.
 

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It is less a question of due process and more a question of raw stupidity. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Lil Homicide was much more likely to be killed by another dumb ass gangster of the same color than by the cops - he is only news b/c he fits the preferred divisive narrative. And I am no fan of cops but understand they have power over me and can f-up my life so I treat them with the appropriate "respect". Just mind numbing to me the same people promoting more government control of every aspect of our lives also hate the enforcers - then claim the FBI and CIA are some how more pure and altruistic than standard boys (and girls) in blue.
Wrong, if you value justice and our systems history and foudnation then cops killing citizxens extrajudically is wrong. 100% full stop.
 

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I would be all for shooting that MFer dead - but they never had a clear shot. The tactical dude was looking for it but the cop with his arm stuck in the window was directly in the line of fire. Dominant arm stuck in the window so probably has his service weapon inaccessible and tasers tend to be ineffective through a fvcking window. C'mon man.

You dont get it.... COPS DONT GET TO DECIDE WHO DIES OR LIVES
 

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How many of these incidents do you need to see? This here is reality. This is why cops have to be alert and can't just trust people.

Have you ever talked to a cop about what they see at night and what they respond to? It sounds like you do, but you don't get the distrust. Here's why- Any cop in America is 10 seconds on duty away from being Darren Wilson. A cop can go from responding to providing needed care for an infant to getting an alert about a robbery in progress and stopping two people who fit the description and then having a 6'4 292lb person attack your squad car and you take action to defend yourself when he charges you. You were just attacked and defended yourself on duty- what does Wilson get?

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Wilson's prize for having life endangered and doing what he was trained to do in a crap job in a lousy community is a FAKE news narrative pushed by athletes, journos, liars in the community, activists, and so on that he just murdered a man with his hands up. He gets cartoons depicting him as a klansman. The community he was protecting gets burned, looted, and destroyed. His home address gets exposed. His career ruined. He gets multiple prosecutors hell-bent on charges investigating him and they find NONE. The man gets demonized on TV for weeks and then has multiple US Senators and this future veep framing him as a murderer for years after multiple investigations cleared him of wrongdoing.

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Any cop in America could be Darren Wilson doing the correct thing when attacked by a criminal and because we have a society that doesn't give two shits about accountability and treats criminals as martyrs. We don't punish kids in schools and have raised a whole generation to think that they will be chased by cops and to develop a victim mentality.

This is why smart cops quit responding so fast in these cities and the crime rates surged. They didn't want to have to do their damn job and become a CNN target. No meaningful conversation will occur anytime soon on race and policing because the radicals have turned this into something crazy that it is not. Now every city in America needs to be boarded up every time some gang member with a gun puts himself in a shit position with a cop.


The militarization of the police is something that actually alarms me as well. It was first alarming to me when the city of Boston turned into something resembling Fallujah to chase the bombing suspect. #BostonStrong was kind of a joke in reality. Cops shouldn't look like stormtroopers. Granted, we need security when people board up and lock people in federal buildings try to burn them, and handle out-of-control riots. Normal cops don't need to look like soldiers and don't need tanks, minesweepers, crazy gear, and all that jazz. We need a line between normal and emergency response.
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This kind of response to shut down a bar in America is insane.

We saw last summer how dangerous riots grow out of control and cops lose control of cities. People trapped in homes and businesses approached by violent (YES VIOLENT) rioters who had 911 calls unanswered and not responded to is insanity. Unanswered 911 calls on highways shut down by violent protestors beating and assaulting people should never be acceptable, but we need a police force capable of preventing this and not one that looks like the Marine Corps. It's a tricky balance, but something we need to answer and something I have zero confidence in Democrats who frame people like Darren Wilson as murderers (wholeheartedly rejecting our justice system in the process) or call for defunding, eliminating policing, ending incarceration to solve.

Record gun sales suggest I am not alone in this thought and it will only get worse because we are drifting further from the solution, not towards it. We are certainly headed towards a summer of violence. Things are only going to get worse from here and it is our responsibility to defend ourselves appropriately, raise our kids to not be Daunte Wright or Lil Homicide engaged in crime and fleeing cops, not shove minors with rifles in dangerous riot conditions, and to work towards the conversations we need to have.

You clearly dont get the purpose of policing or the concept of equal justice.... I literally just typed out in english words that my wife and I are very much involved in this aspect of our society with the local police department and thier outreach programs. The rest o fthis post is you just expressing further how you dont understand the scope of policing and how its extrajudicially killings of selected citizens is 100% compelelty sideways of their inteded scope of public service.
 

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Lax's post was over the line, he went back and edited it. I suggest you do the same.

The mods/owners/admins have access to edit my post for anything seen as "over the line". Maybe the line about February is on the line, however I will note that I do not see a comment from you regarding a user posting that someone "lacked oxygen at birth" or a post referring to any race as not white incapable of governing. So I'm a bit confused to where the line is.
 

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You clearly dont get the purpose of policing or the concept of equal justice.... I literally just typed out in english words that my wife and I are very much involved in this aspect of our society with the local police department and thier outreach programs. The rest o fthis post is you just expressing further how you dont understand the scope of policing and how its extrajudicially killings of selected citizens is 100% compelelty sideways of their inteded scope of public service.

I did acknowledge your outreach and then your confusion on why they don't trust people. Read it again and it will address both concerns. The rest of this is your opinion. I think it's bullshit. You think I'm full of shit. It's why this conversation on IE and nationally goes nowhere and the violence and madness continues to escalate.
 
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