2016 Presidential Horse Race

[wizards8507]

You can't make this shit up. Hillary has named DWS honorary chair of her campaign!

 

[wizards8507]

Does the convention matter to this election cycle all that much? I don't think so.

It does if the Berners stage a revolt on the floor.

 

[IrishLax]

You can't make this shit up. Hillary has named DWS honorary chair of her campaign!

Step 1. Rig the campaign for Hillary.
Step 2. Resign.
Step 3. Profit politically.

Although my favorite part is how they don't mention the leaks or fraudulent behavior at all... and moreover, praise the fact that she's a mindless partisan attack dog as if that's a GOOD thing.

 

[GATTACA!]

Step 1. Rig the campaign for Hillary.
Step 2. Resign.
Step 3. Profit politically.

Although my favorite part is how they don't mention the leaks or fraudulent behavior at all... and moreover, praise the fact that she's a mindless partisan attack dog as if that's a GOOD thing.

I would LOVE for someone to make a case for voting for Hillary without using the word Trump. It's growing more impossible by the day.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Step 1. Rig the campaign for Hillary.
Step 2. Resign.
Step 3. Profit politically.

Although my favorite part is how they don't mention the leaks or fraudulent behavior at all... and moreover, praise the fact that she's a mindless partisan attack dog as if that's a GOOD thing.

Is it on a official Hillary site? My understanding was, that it was part of the leaks. Therefore was prepared before all the rigged stuff.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

A real question because I've seen it tweeted about. I'm not trying to be provocative. Just asking what people think.

If Hillary Clinton had 5 children with 3 different men, would it be a bigger issue? What if Obama did? I'm not saying it's a Democrat/Republican difference. But if a woman or a black man had the same family situation, would the coverage be the same?

 

[BGIF]

You can't make this shit up. Hillary has named DWS honorary chair of her campaign!

Resign for dishonorable conduct and get rewarded with an honorary job.

The quid pro quo lives.


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[connor_in]

A real question because I've seen it tweeted about. I'm not trying to be provocative. Just asking what people think.

If Hillary Clinton had 5 children with 3 different men, would it be a bigger issue? What if Obama did? I'm not saying it's a Democrat/Republican difference. But if a woman or a black man had the same family situation, would the coverage be the same?

Donald has had 5 children with 3 different men?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Donald has had 5 children with 3 different men?

Why aren't we talking about this!?

 

[phgreek]

Resign for dishonorable conduct and get rewarded with an honorary job.

The quid pro quo lives.


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It was plausible DWS operated independently from HRC campaign in her bid to block Bernie. I'm sure Republicans wish Preibus would have done the same...

HOWEVER, in her statement Clinton marries her campaign to DWS, with what looks like quid pro quo...WOW.

Having DWS stay on in the convention but step down seemed to me to be calculated to MAINTAIN plausible deniability...HRC just doesn't care at this point, and she is rubbing Sanders' nose in shit...this is amazing.

I mean HRC is saying...fuck you Sanders, fuck you fair-minded American people...what are you going to do about it...again!

 

[wizards8507]

A real question because I've seen it tweeted about. I'm not trying to be provocative. Just asking what people think.

If Hillary Clinton had 5 children with 3 different men, would it be a bigger issue? What if Obama did? I'm not saying it's a Democrat/Republican difference. But if a woman or a black man had the same family situation, would the coverage be the same?

I don't think the double standard is R / D, black / white, or male / female. It's Donald Trump versus everybody else. He's essentially a cartoon character and it would be strange for him NOT to have had multiple wives and supermodel mistresses.

Plus, the Clintons don't want to open the door of sexual history.

 

[phgreek]

A real question because I've seen it tweeted about. I'm not trying to be provocative. Just asking what people think.

If Hillary Clinton had 5 children with 3 different men, would it be a bigger issue? What if Obama did? I'm not saying it's a Democrat/Republican difference. But if a woman or a black man had the same family situation, would the coverage be the same?

Yea I agree...seems quite unfair. It is also unfair that when someone voiced criticism of candidate Mr. Obama, it was often dismissed as racist. It is also unfair that when someone voices legitimate criticism against HRC, it is often dismissed as sexist.

So yea, lets call the Donald what he is...a rich guy who trades up for newer "models" every couple years...because you can't say he doesn't take care of his kids. But lets also call Mr. Obama and Mrs Clinton what they are...serial manipulators who don't mind silencing dissent with their operatives, and government offices. Which one offends you worse?

 

[pkt77242]

Yea I agree...seems quite unfair. It is also unfair that when someone voiced criticism of candidate Mr. Obama, it was often dismissed as racist. It is also unfair that when someone voices legitimate criticism against HRC, it is often dismissed as sexist.

So yea, lets call the Donald what he is...a rich guy who trades up for newer "models" every couple years...because you can't say he doesn't take care of his kids. But lets also call Mr. Obama and Mrs Clinton what they are...serial manipulators who don't mind silencing dissent with their operatives, and government offices. Which one offends you worse?

Wouldn't the fair comparison be Clinton as a manipulator vs Trump as a bully?

 

[Buster Bluth]

I would LOVE for someone to make a case for voting for Hillary without using the word Trump. It's growing more impossible by the day.

Well, yeah, she is the most unpopular nominee in American history other than Donald Trump.

 

[Wild Bill]

"I often feel like there's the Hillary standard and then there's the standard for everybody else", says Hillary on 60 minutes.

Haha

 

[phgreek]

Wouldn't the fair comparison be Clinton as a manipulator vs Trump as a bully?

I don't know...maybe. I think there could be an argument for both people to be both of those things actually...

 

[connor_in]

Originally Posted by GATTACA! View Post
I would LOVE for someone to make a case for voting for Hillary without using the word Trump. It's growing more impossible by the day.

Well, yeah, she is the most unpopular nominee in American history other than Donald Trump.

HaHa...you couldn't do it

 

[phgreek]

"I often feel like there's the Hillary standard and then there's the standard for everybody else", says Hillary on 60 minutes.

Haha

She is trolling everyone now...she isn't that tone deaf...no way...

She is seriously telling everyone to kiss her ass...she has the power network, she has the money...she will do what she wants, how she wants, when she wants.

Laws/Rules/Ethics/Morals/self-awareness/empathy are all for the poors.

Edit:
...oh yea...and contrition...definitely for the poors

 

[connor_in]

‘LOCK HER UP,’ chant the supporters of Bernie Sanders #DemsInPhilly #DNCLeak – twitchy.com

 

[phgreek]

‘LOCK HER UP,’ chant the supporters of Bernie Sanders #DemsInPhilly #DNCLeak – twitchy.com

well...and this is so obviously plagiarism. I think the RNC will be big about it though, and just let it go...hehehehe.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Resign for dishonorable conduct and get rewarded with an honorary job.

The quid pro quo lives.

Is Hillary really this tone deaf??? I saw this and first thought it was a spoof of something you might expect of her, not something she'd actually do. Holy cow!!!

 

[BGIF]

Clinton's campaign manager: Russia helping Trump - CNNPolitics.com


Philadelphia (CNN)

Hillary Clinton's campaign manager is alleging that Russian hackers are leaking Democratic National Committee emails critical of Bernie Sanders in an effort to help Donald Trump win the election in November.
It comes on the heels of "changes to the Republican platform to make it more pro-Russian," Robby Mook told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" Sunday.

"I don't think it's coincidental that these emails were released on the eve of our convention here, and I think that's disturbing," he said.
The DNC has previously had its files hacked by an individual named "Guccifer 2.0" that may have had ties to the Russians.
Hackers stole opposition research on Donald Trump from the DNC's servers in mid-June. Two separate Russian intelligence-linked cyberattack groups were both in the DNC's networks.
Mook pointed to Trump's position on NATO -- that he wouldn't necessarily assist allies who haven't contributed enough financially to the organization -- and argued that position would aid Russia in Eastern Europe, as well.
"I think when you put all this together, it's a disturbing picture, and voters need to reflect on that," Mook said.

...

Clinton's campaign manager Robby Mook dropped the newest chapter in Hillary's decades old "Right Wing Conspiracy" saga pointing out "Trump changing the Republican Platform to make it more Pro-Russian", and Trump's comments about "NATO not intervening if Eastern European allies are if attacked by Russia". (If I recall correctly, Trump actually spoke about countries footing a bigger piece of the costs for THEIR defense.) Mook pointed out that this (Russian hacking FOR Trump and Trump "payback") presents a disturbing pictures that the voters need to know about. But Mook was evasive in providing details.
When asked by CNN's Jake Trapper what evidence Mook had, Mook punted to unacknowledged "experts" who have the information. "The experts have the information."
Trapper asked more than once but still got the glittering generalites, "The experts have the information."

I was waiting for Trapper to ask if those "experts" familiar with the DNC hacking were the same ones who set up Hillary's home server but this was CNN.

On Erin Brunett's CNN TV show she grilled Trump's Campaign Manager, Paul Manafort, about the "Russian Connection". She asked him if would disavow Russian interference in an American election and Manafort stated, "Any foreign interference in an American election is unacceptable."

 

[dublinirish]

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[Irish#1]

Any Bernie supporter that truly believes in the totality of Bernie's movement and policies who votes for Trump is a bigger dumbfuck than those Trump supporters who fully endorse/support Trump. Other than trade (and even that they don't fully agree on), Bernie is the complete opposite of Trump. Bernie HATES Trump and has said so every chance he gets. Any BernieBro who votes for Trump means they don't believe in socialism or any of Bernie's vision of the USA.

And I say this as someone who believes in capitalism and wouldn't have voted for Bernie in a million years. But these short-sighted "bros" and "bras" that are now voting for Trump are a joke and obviously never believed in what Sanders believes in. Ted Cruz and his evil looking rat-face has more conviction and principle in his pinkie than that subset of Bernie Bros.

Or, the feel as their duty they must vote and Trump is the lessor of the two evils.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

0% chance I vote for Hillary. 0% chance I vote for Trump.

Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Big Bird, Tooth Fairy....make your cases. My vote is open.

DWS, HRC, and the DNC are unfucking believable. These leaks just prove what a lot of us were already thinking. And what's worse than what they've done, is that it probably won't matter. The general voting public will not care. They will vote on name recognition. Trump and Hillary have that going for them. I see this election as a literal 50/50 toss up. Considering it's basically between the two worst candidates in this country's history, I'm terrified.

 

[dublinirish]

5 Reasons Why Trump Will Win | MICHAEL MOORE

Friends:
I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I gave it to you straight last summer when I told you that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president. And now I have even more awful, depressing news for you: Donald J. Trump is going to win in November. This wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full time sociopath is going to be our next president. President Trump. Go ahead and say the words, ‘cause you’ll be saying them for the next four years: “PRESIDENT TRUMP.”

Never in my life have I wanted to be proven wrong more than I do right now.

I can see what you’re doing right now. You’re shaking your head wildly – “No, Mike, this won’t happen!” Unfortunately, you are living in a bubble that comes with an adjoining echo chamber where you and your friends are convinced the American people are not going to elect an idiot for president. You alternate between being appalled at him and laughing at him because of his latest crazy comment or his embarrassingly narcissistic stance on everything because everything is about him. And then you listen to Hillary and you behold our very first female president, someone the world respects, someone who is whip-smart and cares about kids, who will continue the Obama legacy because that is what the American people clearly want! Yes! Four more years of this!

You need to exit that bubble right now. You need to stop living in denial and face the truth which you know deep down is very, very real. Trying to soothe yourself with the facts – “77% of the electorate are women, people of color, young adults under 35 and Trump cant win a majority of any of them!” – or logic – “people aren’t going to vote for a buffoon or against their own best interests!” – is your brain’s way of trying to protect you from trauma. Like when you hear a loud noise on the street and you think, “oh, a tire just blew out,” or, “wow, who’s playing with firecrackers?” because you don’t want to think you just heard someone being shot with a gun. It’s the same reason why all the initial news and eyewitness reports on 9/11 said “a small plane accidentally flew into the World Trade Center.” We want to – we need to – hope for the best because, frankly, life is already a shit show and it’s hard enough struggling to get by from paycheck to paycheck. We can’t handle much more bad news. So our mental state goes to default when something scary is actually, truly happening. The first people plowed down by the truck in Nice spent their final moments on earth waving at the driver whom they thought had simply lost control of his truck, trying to tell him that he jumped the curb: “Watch out!,” they shouted. “There are people on the sidewalk!”

Well, folks, this isn’t an accident. It is happening. And if you believe Hillary Clinton is going to beat Trump with facts and smarts and logic, then you obviously missed the past year of 56 primaries and caucuses where 16 Republican candidates tried that and every kitchen sink they could throw at Trump and nothing could stop his juggernaut. As of today, as things stand now, I believe this is going to happen – and in order to deal with it, I need you first to acknowledge it, and then maybe, just maybe, we can find a way out of the mess we’re in.

Don’t get me wrong. I have great hope for the country I live in. Things are better. The left has won the cultural wars. Gays and lesbians can get married. A majority of Americans now take the liberal position on just about every polling question posed to them: Equal pay for women – check. Abortion should be legal – check. Stronger environmental laws – check. More gun control – check. Legalize marijuana – check. A huge shift has taken place – just ask the socialist who won 22 states this year. And there is no doubt in my mind that if people could vote from their couch at home on their X-box or PlayStation, Hillary would win in a landslide.

But that is not how it works in America. People have to leave the house and get in line to vote. And if they live in poor, Black or Hispanic neighborhoods, they not only have a longer line to wait in, everything is being done to literally stop them from casting a ballot. So in most elections it’s hard to get even 50% to turn out to vote. And therein lies the problem for November – who is going to have the most motivated, most inspired voters show up to vote? You know the answer to this question. Who’s the candidate with the most rabid supporters? Whose crazed fans are going to be up at 5 AM on Election Day, kicking ass all day long, all the way until the last polling place has closed, making sure every Tom, Dick and Harry (and Bob and Joe and Billy Bob and Billy Joe and Billy Bob Joe) has cast his ballot? That’s right. That’s the high level of danger we’re in. And don’t fool yourself — no amount of compelling Hillary TV ads, or outfacting him in the debates or Libertarians siphoning votes away from Trump is going to stop his mojo.

Here are the 5 reasons Trump is going to win:
Midwest Math, or Welcome to Our Rust Belt Brexit. I believe Trump is going to focus much of his attention on the four blue states in the rustbelt of the upper Great Lakes – Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Four traditionally Democratic states – but each of them have elected a Republican governor since 2010 (only Pennsylvania has now finally elected a Democrat). In the Michigan primary in March, more Michiganders came out to vote for the Republicans (1.32 million) that the Democrats (1.19 million). Trump is ahead of Hillary in the latest polls in Pennsylvania and tied with her in Ohio. Tied? How can the race be this close after everything Trump has said and done? Well maybe it’s because he’s said (correctly) that the Clintons’ support of NAFTA helped to destroy the industrial states of the Upper Midwest. Trump is going to hammer Clinton on this and her support of TPP and other trade policies that have royally screwed the people of these four states. When Trump stood in the shadow of a Ford Motor factory during the Michigan primary, he threatened the corporation that if they did indeed go ahead with their planned closure of that factory and move it to Mexico, he would slap a 35% tariff on any Mexican-built cars shipped back to the United States. It was sweet, sweet music to the ears of the working class of Michigan, and when he tossed in his threat to Apple that he would force them to stop making their iPhones in China and build them here in America, well, hearts swooned and Trump walked away with a big victory that should have gone to the governor next-door, John Kasich.

From Green Bay to Pittsburgh, this, my friends, is the middle of England – broken, depressed, struggling, the smokestacks strewn across the countryside with the carcass of what we use to call the Middle Class. Angry, embittered working (and nonworking) people who were lied to by the trickle-down of Reagan and abandoned by Democrats who still try to talk a good line but are really just looking forward to rub one out with a lobbyist from Goldman Sachs who’ll write them nice big check before leaving the room. What happened in the UK with Brexit is going to happen here. Elmer Gantry shows up looking like Boris Johnson and just says whatever shit he can make up to convince the masses that this is their chance! To stick to ALL of them, all who wrecked their American Dream! And now The Outsider, Donald Trump, has arrived to clean house! You don’t have to agree with him! You don’t even have to like him! He is your personal Molotov cocktail to throw right into the center of the bastards who did this to you! SEND A MESSAGE! TRUMP IS YOUR MESSENGER!

And this is where the math comes in. In 2012, Mitt Romney lost by 64 electoral votes. Add up the electoral votes cast by Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. It’s 64. All Trump needs to do to win is to carry, as he’s expected to do, the swath of traditional red states from Idaho to Georgia (states that’ll never vote for Hillary Clinton), and then he just needs these four rust belt states. He doesn’t need Florida. He doesn’t need Colorado or Virginia. Just Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And that will put him over the top. This is how it will happen in November.
The Last Stand of the Angry White Man. Our male-dominated, 240-year run of the USA is coming to an end. A woman is about to take over! How did this happen?! On our watch! There were warning signs, but we ignored them. Nixon, the gender traitor, imposing Title IX on us, the rule that said girls in school should get an equal chance at playing sports. Then they let them fly commercial jets. Before we knew it, Beyoncé stormed on the field at this year’s Super Bowl (our game!) with an army of Black Women, fists raised, declaring that our domination was hereby terminated! Oh, the humanity!

That’s a small peek into the mind of the Endangered White Male. There is a sense that the power has slipped out of their hands, that their way of doing things is no longer how things are done. This monster, the “Feminazi,”the thing that as Trump says, “bleeds through her eyes or wherever she bleeds,” has conquered us — and now, after having had to endure eight years of a black man telling us what to do, we’re supposed to just sit back and take eight years of a woman bossing us around? After that it’ll be eight years of the gays in the White House! Then the transgenders! You can see where this is going. By then animals will have been granted human rights and a fuckin’ hamster is going to be running the country. This has to stop!

The Hillary Problem. Can we speak honestly, just among ourselves? And before we do, let me state, I actually like Hillary – a lot – and I think she has been given a bad rap she doesn’t deserve. But her vote for the Iraq War made me promise her that I would never vote for her again. To date, I haven’t broken that promise. For the sake of preventing a proto-fascist from becoming our commander-in-chief, I’m breaking that promise. I sadly believe Clinton will find a way to get us in some kind of military action. She’s a hawk, to the right of Obama. But Trump’s psycho finger will be on The Button, and that is that. Done and done.
Let’s face it: Our biggest problem here isn’t Trump – it’s Hillary. She is hugely unpopular — nearly 70% of all voters think she is untrustworthy and dishonest. She represents the old way of politics, not really believing in anything other than what can get you elected. That’s why she fights against gays getting married one moment, and the next she’s officiating a gay marriage. Young women are among her biggest detractors, which has to hurt considering it’s the sacrifices and the battles that Hillary and other women of her generation endured so that this younger generation would never have to be told by the Barbara Bushes of the world that they should just shut up and go bake some cookies. But the kids don’t like her, and not a day goes by that a millennial doesn’t tell me they aren’t voting for her. No Democrat, and certainly no independent, is waking up on November 8th excited to run out and vote for Hillary the way they did the day Obama became president or when Bernie was on the primary ballot. The enthusiasm just isn’t there. And because this election is going to come down to just one thing — who drags the most people out of the house and gets them to the polls — Trump right now is in the catbird seat.

The Depressed Sanders Vote. Stop fretting about Bernie’s supporters not voting for Clinton – we’re voting for Clinton! The polls already show that more Sanders voters will vote for Hillary this year than the number of Hillary primary voters in ’08 who then voted for Obama. This is not the problem. The fire alarm that should be going off is that while the average Bernie backer will drag him/herself to the polls that day to somewhat reluctantly vote for Hillary, it will be what’s called a “depressed vote” – meaning the voter doesn’t bring five people to vote with her. He doesn’t volunteer 10 hours in the month leading up to the election. She never talks in an excited voice when asked why she’s voting for Hillary. A depressed voter. Because, when you’re young, you have zero tolerance for phonies and BS. Returning to the Clinton/Bush era for them is like suddenly having to pay for music, or using MySpace or carrying around one of those big-ass portable phones. They’re not going to vote for Trump; some will vote third party, but many will just stay home. Hillary Clinton is going to have to do something to give them a reason to support her — and picking a moderate, bland-o, middle of the road old white guy as her running mate is not the kind of edgy move that tells millenials that their vote is important to Hillary. Having two women on the ticket – that was an exciting idea. But then Hillary got scared and has decided to play it safe. This is just one example of how she is killing the youth vote.

The Jesse Ventura Effect. Finally, do not discount the electorate’s ability to be mischievous or underestimate how any millions fancy themselves as closet anarchists once they draw the curtain and are all alone in the voting booth. It’s one of the few places left in society where there are no security cameras, no listening devices, no spouses, no kids, no boss, no cops, there’s not even a friggin’ time limit. You can take as long as you need in there and no one can make you do anything. You can push the button and vote a straight party line, or you can write in Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. There are no rules. And because of that, and the anger that so many have toward a broken political system, millions are going to vote for Trump not because they agree with him, not because they like his bigotry or ego, but just because they can. Just because it will upset the apple cart and make mommy and daddy mad. And in the same way like when you’re standing on the edge of Niagara Falls and your mind wonders for a moment what would that feel like to go over that thing, a lot of people are going to love being in the position of puppetmaster and plunking down for Trump just to see what that might look like. Remember back in the ‘90s when the people of Minnesota elected a professional wrestler as their governor? They didn’t do this because they’re stupid or thought that Jesse Ventura was some sort of statesman or political intellectual. They did so just because they could. Minnesota is one of the smartest states in the country. It is also filled with people who have a dark sense of humor — and voting for Ventura was their version of a good practical joke on a sick political system. This is going to happen again with Trump.
Coming back to the hotel after appearing on Bill Maher’s Republican Convention special this week on HBO, a man stopped me. “Mike,” he said, “we have to vote for Trump. We HAVE to shake things up.” That was it. That was enough for him. To “shake things up.” President Trump would indeed do just that, and a good chunk of the electorate would like to sit in the bleachers and watch that reality show.

(Next week I will post my thoughts on Trump’s Achilles Heel and how I think he can be beat.)

Moore spot on here, the protest vote definitely worked for Brexit, you can see how it will work for Trump too

 

[IrishLax]

DNC Planned To Reward Big Donors With Federal Appointments | The Daily Caller

I mean... any other candidate, and their shot at the white house would be over right now.

 

[phgreek]

Clinton's campaign manager: Russia helping Trump - CNNPolitics.com


Philadelphia (CNN)

Clinton's campaign manager Robby Mook dropped the newest chapter in Hillary's decades old "Right Wing Conspiracy" saga pointing out "Trump changing the Republican Platform to make it more Pro-Russian", and Trump's comments about "NATO not intervening if Eastern European allies are if attacked by Russia". (If I recall correctly, Trump actually spoke about countries footing a bigger piece of the costs for THEIR defense.) Mook pointed out that this (Russian hacking FOR Trump and Trump "payback") presents a disturbing pictures that the voters need to know about. But Mook was evasive in providing details.
When asked by CNN's Jake Trapper what evidence Mook had, Mook punted to unacknowledged "experts" who have the information. "The experts have the information."
Trapper asked more than once but still got the glittering generalites, "The experts have the information."

I was waiting for Trapper to ask if those "experts" familiar with the DNC hacking were the same ones who set up Hillary's home server but this was CNN.

On Erin Brunett's CNN TV show she grilled Trump's Campaign Manager, Paul Manafort, about the "Russian Connection". She asked him if would disavow Russian interference in an American election and Manafort stated, "Any foreign interference in an American election is unacceptable."

WoW thats how it looks when someone asks a direct question and they get an answer.

 

[wizards8507]

Trump bounces into the lead - CNNPolitics.com

Trump 44%
Clinton 39%
Johnson 9%
Stein 3%

 

[phgreek]

DNC Planned To Reward Big Donors With Federal Appointments | The Daily Caller

I mean... any other candidate, and their shot at the white house would be over right now.

I'm wandering if anything else exposed in these emails will have a hard time getting any play. The "unfair to Bernie" thing resonates with ultra left...the fact that it resonates with most fair-minded folks is an ancillary benefit.

I have seen coverage of the "Is Trump a Racist" article, and lots of words dedicated to the Trump-Russia connection related to the e-mail dump.