'14 IL ILB Nyles Morgan (Notre Dame Signee)

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I'll take the over on that.

A more interesting O/U might be "how many plays does he over-run by being in the backfield TOO quickly?"
 
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IrishLion said:
I'll take the over on that.

A more interesting O/U might be "how many plays does he over-run by being in the backfield TOO quickly?"
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LOL.

What do you think a fair O/U is for Morgan? Where do you think he ends up?

I'm going 105.
 
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I think 75 is easily beatable for a capable, athletic MLB, so for a first-time starter (sort of), I'd set it at 85.

Joe Schmidt had 78 total tackles last year. I think Nyles is good for ~20 more than that, considering he's an athletic upgrade, which would put him around 100. But considering he's not quite as experienced and is going to be directing traffic, others might need to clean up at times.
 
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If I were to take a wild assed guess, I would guess over 100.

  • He has the physical capability.
  • The staff is already making apologies for not playing him last year.
  • Which means he is exploding in terms of :
    • Strength and conditioning,
    • IQ and leadership in the OTA's,
    • Mastery of the defense, while maintaining the elite athleticism he was identified as having as early as his sophomore year in high school.
  • He plays in a defense designed for him to clean up.
  • He may have the biggest defensive line in the nation in front of him. (Literally!)
  • He may have a competent defensive backfield that can play their assignments correctly, for the first time since BVG has been in town.

Add all of these, and the physical talent of a Manti Te'o, and I would say a hundred plus sounds good. If he has done the growing, maturation, and taken the strides in leadership it seems, and the staff is in fact developing team leadership with skills acquired from a consulting and training film staffed with the operators as advertised. I think this kid could have a junior and senior season to rival Manti. And I love Manti, and intend no disrespect to him in any way.
 
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Podcasts are saying Nyles, Daelin Hayes, Mcglinchey, and Nelson just look different than any of our other players (weird, the high 4/5 star guys).

I'm expecting big things from Nyles.
 
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Monk said:
I'll say 102.5



We are playing price is right rules aren't we.
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Why yes we are and I'm at 105.

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koonja said:
Podcasts are saying Nyles, Daelin Hayes, Mcglinchey, and Nelson just look different than any of our other players (weird, the high 4/5 star guys).

I'm expecting big things from Nyles.
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Oh yeah, if DH rips from the edge, that does nothing to Morgan but increase his ability to tear up.

Oh yeah, and Q is beginning to look inhuman. Little if any hyperbole intended.
 
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koonja said:
Podcasts are saying Nyles, Daelin Hayes, Mcglinchey, and Nelson just look different than any of our other players (weird, the high 4/5 star guys).

I'm expecting big things from Nyles.
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What podcasts, out of interest? Are any of them free?
 
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House16 said:
What podcasts, out of interest? Are any of them free?
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Yes sir, all free that I listen to. If you're familiar with how podcasts work, download 'Blue & Gold Illustrated', which is Rivals ND. 'Irish Sports Daily' which calls theirs 'power hour' and is ISD. There's also 'Irish Illustrated' which is scout's. All come out with about 1 episode a week, sometimes more, sometimes less.
 
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If i'm not mistaken he had 3-4 double digit tackle games his Freshman year and that was playing a little over half in those games. If he stays healthy the whole game 12 games plus the Bowl Game, I'm going with 140 tackles and 5 sacks.
 
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It's important in these debates to remember that the rankings change during the recruiting year, so some kids start off as 3-stars, get that reputation, and then only get changed later in the year--sometimes right before signing day.
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It's also important to distinguish between rankings and ratings. What you just described is ratings, not rankings. In McG's case, his rating went up and then his ranking followed.

It's possible to start off as a 5 star at say #10 overall on the first rankings list... remain a 5 star through every update but finish the #33 OA in the rankings as they add more 5 stars each update. their star rating stayed at 5, they may have even gone from a 98 to a 99 on 247 or a 6.0 to a 6.1 on Rivals on their numerical scale but fell in the ranking. They are rated the same or higher, but ranked the same.

We just had this discussion yesterday in the Shaun Wade thread.
 
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Let's not forget he had 47 tackles as a Freshman and barely played. Still baffles me why he didn't see the field more last year. For every 4 whiffs Schimt had Morgan could of had a sack
 
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It's also important to distinguish between rankings and ratings. What you just described is ratings, not rankings. In McG's case, his rating went up and then his ranking followed.

It's possible to start off as a 5 star at say #10 overall on the first rankings list... remain a 5 star through every update but finish the #33 OA in the rankings as they add more 5 stars each update. their star rating stayed at 5, they may have even gone from a 98 to a 99 on 247 or a 6.0 to a 6.1 on Rivals on their numerical scale but fell in the ranking. They are rated the same or higher, but ranked the same.

We just had this discussion yesterday in the Shaun Wade thread.
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Oops. Sorry.
 
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Obviously Morgan would have been lethal last year, except for the fact that he was considerably slowed down by nagging injury.

Kind of fits, 'If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.' Who knows?

However this year there is an intensity and focus to go along with superior talent, and a green light from the coaching staff.
 
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Morgan Changing the Defensive Culture - Irish Sports Daily

The Mike linebacker role at Notre Dame is entering a new ear in 2016. Manti Te’o and Joe Schmidt had their time, but now it’s the Nyles Morgan era. The junior has a different mentality and personality than his predecessors, which shows on and off the field.
“We need a bunch of guys who are smart, talented and savage-like,” Morgan said of what it will take to have a successful defense. “I’m proud if I see my whole team ravaging the quarterback or running back. That’s what I love to see. I know a lot of guys feel the same way. If we are out there busting heads and doing our job, we can’t lose.”
The 6-foot-1, 245-pounder saw progress during fall camp, but wants a more consistent effort from his guys and he feels it will happen with players taking over the team more as the season approaches.
“We need to do it through leadership and be examples,” stated Morgan. “I do whatever I have can to get through to get through practice. It’s really building a culture. I am doing it. Isaac (Rochell), Cole (Luke), Drue (Tranquill) are doing it too.”
It’s been evident the transition to defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder’s defense has had ups and downs, but for Morgan, there is a sense of comfort heading into his third year with the Irish.
Morgan also knows his defensive coordinator isn’t one to change his coaching style to fit personalities of his team, but that’s OK with him.
“VanGorder will never change,” laughed Morgan. “You have to be the one to really change. I have really grown and he doesn’t have to yell at me for this and that. I know it. I am not making the same mistakes I made as a freshman and he knows it.
“Every once in a while I will get yelled at, but everybody gets yelled at. He is drilling every snap. Before the snap the is going and after the last snap.”
The Crete (Ill.) native admits the transition to VanGorder’s scheme took time, but knows he is and will be a better player for mastering the scheme.
“With his system, once you learn it and grasp it, you’re going to be ready for the NFL,” explained Morgan. “I have guys that have played in the NFL that have been surprised that I know certain things. They will be like ‘How did you know how to play cover-flat?’
“I tell that our coach came from The League, so that was my reassurance that what he is teaching us is really what the NFL is like. I am only a junior and I am not in the NFL yet. From talking to guys who are in the NFL, it was satisfying to hear I was on the right path.”
Jaylon Smith is one player that has pushed and helped Morgan grow during his first two years. Morgan doesn’t have Smith by his side this fall and he knows he will need to lean on those lessons to have a big year.
“I would just say Jaylon’s attitude and his work habits,” Morgan said of the lessons he learned from Smith. “I don’t care what anyone says, but Jaylon was a workhorse. He made sure everything he did was technically sound and has found a way to give back. He always pushed my technique and passion all the time.
“He told me if you have good technique and passion, you can’t lose. I find that to be true.”
Outside of Smith, Morgan models his game after one of the best in NFL history, but also has another former Notre Dame linebacker that he talks to for advice too.
“Jaylon is like a big brother to me, but if I had to say, my favorite player would be Patrick Willis,” stated Morgan. “I am so sad he retired. He was the man. He played linebacker. He was fast and athletic. I saw a lot of those things in myself that I saw in him.
“I have talked to Manti (Te’o) a few times. Anytime I have questions or anything, I can hit him up.”
All in all, Morgan expects himself and the Notre Dame defense to have a big season and it starts with the simplest of things.
“Attitude,” he stated. “We know what we are doing. We know how to do it and we just have to do it. We have to keep the offense down. That’s football to me.”
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Love the kids attitude. Guys like himself, Jay and Daelin hayes, Jarron Jones, Rochell, and Cole Luke are guys you need on defense. The defense as a whole is going to have to play with an attitude. Hopefully they play with a Chip on their shoulder because that's what they've talked about all Camp. He won't have a C on his jersey but I think Nyles will be the out spoken leader of the defense this year. Expecting big things from him
 
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So, after watching and rewatching the game.

Does anyone here actually believe that in one off season he went from below Joe Schmidt to this?

Because I'm calling complete fucking bullshit.

Just think where he could be right now with solid playing time last year... Glad the staff prepped him well.
 
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