2016 Presidential Horse Race

[Buster Bluth]

Do we get a prayer thread started for a Clinton indictment?

 

[Irish YJ]

 

[NDinL.A.]

real campaign doesn't start until after Labor Day.

Everything before that is static.

Normally, I'd completely agree. This election season? Not so much.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I'll definitely keep an eye on it. There is no question that they would get my vote if polling showed that Republicans were voting for them more than Democrats. But if polling is showing the opposite at the time of the elections, I can't let my voice be one for Donald.

I really hope that they start making moves and I can have a candidate that I actually want as president vs the lesser of two evils. Even if they don't win, I would be pleased that my vote didn't contribute to Trump becoming President and that I didn't have to vote for Hilldog to do it.

I wish I could vote for Johnson, but I did a deep dive into their party, and the Libertarians just have way too many policy issues I disagree with, mostly being that true Libertarians are a whisker from being anarchists. Just can't do it, as much as I wanted to.

So if keeping Trump out of office means a vote for Clinton, then that's what I'll do. Forget the fact that he's a racist, sexist, serial lying xenophobe, his domestic and foreign policies spell certain disaster, and this is coming from both the left and the right. He must be stopped. Then, the Republican party needs to learn its lesson, start listening to the people and get in touch with today's voters, and get a real candidate in there for 2020.

 

[drayer54]

I wish I could vote for Johnson, but I did a deep dive into their party, and the Libertarians just have way too many policy issues I disagree with, mostly being that true Libertarians are a whisker from being anarchists. Just can't do it, as much as I wanted to.

So if keeping Trump out of office means a vote for Clinton, then that's what I'll do. Forget the fact that he's a racist, sexist, serial lying xenophobe, his domestic and foreign policies spell certain disaster, and this is coming from both the left and the right. He must be stopped. Then, the Republican party needs to learn its lesson, start listening to the people and get in touch with today's voters, and get a real candidate in there for 2020.

The party is insane. But to be fair, a chunk of Republicans picked Trump, and some rare birdies actually want Hillary. So insane isn't totally unique to them, but the candidates are not. Fiscally conservative, small government, and socially liberal isn't that nuts.

 

[NorthDakota]

I wish I could vote for Johnson, but I did a deep dive into their party, and the Libertarians just have way too many policy issues I disagree with, mostly being that true Libertarians are a whisker from being anarchists. Just can't do it, as much as I wanted to.

So if keeping Trump out of office means a vote for Clinton, then that's what I'll do. Forget the fact that he's a racist, sexist, serial lying xenophobe, his domestic and foreign policies spell certain disaster, and this is coming from both the left and the right. He must be stopped. Then, the Republican party needs to learn its lesson, start listening to the people and get in touch with today's voters, and get a real candidate in there for 2020.

I think you are really overdramatic about Trump in pretty much every post you have in this thread.

Also Libertarians are pretty fun. The borderline anarchy would be just fine with me.

 

[MJ12666]

Is FOX saying that Hillary gave this Bozo inside information about the situation and he still crashed and burned horribly?

Get the fuck out!

Sorry for not getting back to you on your question. After I posted the Fox article an issue at work needed my attention. Anyway, I based on the newly released e-mail (again according to the Fox article), I believe they are stating that she provided Greece bailout information to Bill Clinton and Sid Blumenthal, while her son-in-law was managing two hedge funds trading exclusively in Greek government bonds. The question isshe permitted to share this information with either of these two and did they then share it with the son-in-law?

As to getting inside information and still losing money, that is not really far fetched when it comes to trading in this type of debt, especially since issues pertaining to the EU bailing out Greece is to this day not totally resolved. Who knows, in a few years the bonds may be totally worthless or soar in value. Heck it took 15 years before the government of Argentina settled with NML Capital on the Argentina bonds owned by this fund.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I wish I could vote for Johnson, but I did a deep dive into their party, and the Libertarians just have way too many policy issues I disagree with, mostly being that true Libertarians are a whisker from being anarchists. Just can't do it, as much as I wanted to.

Word. But if I ever get polled on who I'm voting for, I'll say Johnson because I really want to see him in the debates.

We should have more Libertarians in Congress, but there is no way I could vote for one to be in the White House.

So if keeping Trump out of office means a vote for Clinton, then that's what I'll do. Forget the fact that he's a racist, sexist, serial lying xenophobe, his domestic and foreign policies spell certain disaster, and this is coming from both the left and the right. He must be stopped. Then, the Republican party needs to learn its lesson, start listening to the people and get in touch with today's voters, and get a real candidate in there for 2020.

This is also my opinion. I'll be voting Clinton because of Trump and the shape of the current Republican Party.

But I think it's wishful thinking to think the Republicans can change for 2020. They are tied down by the 40% of them who want to (figuratively) blow up the federal government.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Fiscally conservative, small government, and socially liberal isn't that nuts.

It can quickly become nuts when actual policies are put forth, and when it's not nuts it's politically impossible.

Most of the time "small government" is thrown around to gather votes and then proceed to ignore it because the revolving door of politicians-to-lobbyists is too cushy of a career path. Let's start voting for "better government," by taking money out of politics.

 

[brick4956]

I've been hearing that Julian assange and wikileaks are going to be doing a data dump of the clinton emails that the original Guccifer had pillaged from her server 30,000 plus emails from her state department days lots of dirty stuff one being that the Clinton Foundation used her insecure home brew server as well so all the emails being directed to her private server could have been accessed by Clinton foundation employees.

 

[brick4956]

This data dump will most likely occur right before the democratic convention to create maximum damage impact against Hillary Clintons political future

 

[IrishJayhawk]

It can quickly become nuts when actual policies are put forth, and when it's not nuts it's politically impossible.

Most of the time "small government" is thrown around to gather votes and then proceed to ignore it because the revolving door of politicians-to-lobbyists is too cushy of a career path. Let's start voting for "better government," by taking money out of politics.

Yaaaaaas

 

[BGIF]

It can quickly become nuts when actual policies are put forth, and when it's not nuts it's politically impossible.

Most of the time "small government" is thrown around to gather votes and then proceed to ignore it because the revolving door of politicians-to-lobbyists is too cushy of a career path. Let's start voting for "better government," by taking money out of politics.

Yaaaaaas

So I gather you withheld your union dues so none would go to politics this year, right?

Or, are you just talking about the other guy's money?

 

[Buster Bluth]

So I gather you withheld your union dues so none would go to politics this year, right?

Or, are you just talking about the other guy's money?

Well I'm not in a union soooo....

I did have the priviledge of showing up to the delegate convention in my area and watched how there were a few dozen citizens who took the time to go...and then a three chartered buses full of union members who, to the man, all voted in the Hillary block. It was a sight to see.

Union money shouldn't be in politics either. Get it all out.

 

[irishroo]

Well I'm not in a union soooo....

I did have the priviledge of showing up to the delegate convention in my area and watched how there were a few dozen citizens who took the time to go...and then a three chartered buses full of union members who, to the man, all voted in the Hillary block. It was a sight to see.

Union money shouldn't be in politics either. Get it all out.

I'm not a lawyer or any sort of constitutional law expert but wouldn't this be exceedingly difficult to accomplish given Citizens United. Wouldn't it require overturning a Supreme Court decision that's only 5-ish years old, and isn't the Supreme Court typically loathe to do that given the precedent it sets?

 

[irish4ever]

I wish I could vote for Johnson, but I did a deep dive into their party, and the Libertarians just have way too many policy issues I disagree with, mostly being that true Libertarians are a whisker from being anarchists. Just can't do it, as much as I wanted to.

So if keeping Trump out of office means a vote for Clinton, then that's what I'll do. Forget the fact that he's a racist, sexist, serial lying xenophobe, his domestic and foreign policies spell certain disaster, and this is coming from both the left and the right. He must be stopped. Then, the Republican party needs to learn its lesson, start listening to the people and get in touch with today's voters, and get a real candidate in there for 2020.

Hmmmm .... sounds like you're actually referring to that narcissistic lying biat<h Clinton!

 

[irishfan]

I wish I could vote for Johnson, but I did a deep dive into their party, and the Libertarians just have way too many policy issues I disagree with, mostly being that true Libertarians are a whisker from being anarchists. Just can't do it, as much as I wanted to.

So if keeping Trump out of office means a vote for Clinton, then that's what I'll do. Forget the fact that he's a racist, sexist, serial lying xenophobe, his domestic and foreign policies spell certain disaster, and this is coming from both the left and the right. He must be stopped. Then, the Republican party needs to learn its lesson, start listening to the people and get in touch with today's voters, and get a real candidate in there for 2020.

They need an overhaul, but they certainly did listen to the people this year. Most primary votes of all time for a Republican. Not really sure what they were supposed to do besides organize #NeverTrump better.

 

[IrishLax]

Word. But if I ever get polled on who I'm voting for, I'll say Johnson because I really want to see him in the debates.

We should have more Libertarians in Congress, but there is no way I could vote for one to be in the White House.

I agree, for the most part. With that being said, a Libertarian in the White House would do a lot to check over-spending and power grabs on both sides of the isle, and it's not like Johnson (hypothetically) would be able to dismantle current systems especially without a support party in Congress. It would never happen, but pragmatically sticking a Libertarian at the helm I don't think would actually change much from the status quo.

 

[RDU Irish]

It can quickly become nuts when actual policies are put forth, and when it's not nuts it's politically impossible.

Most of the time "small government" is thrown around to gather votes and then proceed to ignore it because the revolving door of politicians-to-lobbyists is too cushy of a career path. Let's start voting for "better government," by taking money out of politics.

This is about as politically impossible as anything any libertarian has ever dreamed up. Pretty intellectually dishonest to discount one set of policies due to lobbyists influence in Washington and then think lobbyists would allow money to be taken out of politics?!? lolwut? (sorry couldn't resist)

 

[RDU Irish]

I agree, for the most part. With that being said, a Libertarian in the White House would do a lot to check over-spending and power grabs on both sides of the isle, and it's not like Johnson (hypothetically) would be able to dismantle current systems especially without a support party in Congress. It would never happen, but pragmatically sticking a Libertarian at the helm I don't think would actually change much from the status quo.

Executive orders would screech to a halt and you can bet any new laws would have to be clean and necessary. I would argue a Libertarian in the executive branch is the most logical place to check the excesses of the other two parties. In Congress and Senate they would be uselessly screaming in the wind and marginalized- like Ron Paul.

 

[woolybug25]

They need an overhaul, but they certainly did listen to the people this year. Most primary votes of all time for a Republican. Not really sure what they were supposed to do besides organize #NeverTrump better.

Why don't we start with having them provide a candidate that is a rational human being. Pretty much the entire field was filled with weirdos. They had eight freaking years to groom a presidential candidate and they gave us Trump?

If I considered myself a Republican, I would be livid. They spent eight years crying like babies and spending all their time trying to make things hard for Obama. If they would have spent 10% of that time trying to plan for the next president, we wouldn't be in this position. It's shameful.

 

[connor_in]

FBI recommends no charges against Clinton in email probe - POLITICO

Hillary Clinton cleared on email server scandal by FBI – despite sending and receiving top-secret information on a server which was 'possibly' hacked by America's enemies | Daily Mail Online

TRANSCRIPT: Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System

 

[GATTACA!]

No indictment.

I want to die.

 

[RDU Irish]

Why don't we start with having them provide a candidate that is a rational human being. Pretty much the entire field was filled with weirdos. They had eight freaking years to groom a presidential candidate and they gave us Trump?

If I considered myself a Republican, I would be livid. They spent eight years crying like babies and spending all their time trying to make things hard for Obama. If they would have spent 10% of that time trying to plan for the next president, we wouldn't be in this position. It's shameful.

If you don't think there were any good candidates amongst the R field then you really never have any intention of supporting a Republican, ever. It was clogged up with people that needed reality checks instead of fanboys pushing them out there. The establishment pushed Jeb! upon us which was a complete waste of resources and only propelled anti-establishment angst. That alone was probably the biggest f-up creating Trump.

I would add Rubio should have been positioned for a VP bid from the start instead of being subjected to complete shit show over immigration. Talk immigration tough in primaries and then bring Rubio in as VP to show a strong move to the middle AND commitment to actually deal with it.

Take those two out and the dynamic changes dramatically - probably 20% of early primary votes up for grabs and tons of dollars that could have gone to (probably) Kasich as the best establishment alternative to Cruz. Kasich, Rubio would destroy Hillary/whoever and the establishment could have easily set it up.

 

[RDU Irish]

FBI recommends no charges against Clinton in email probe - POLITICO

Hillary Clinton cleared on email server scandal by FBI – despite sending and receiving top-secret information on a server which was 'possibly' hacked by America's enemies | Daily Mail Online

Shocker - one week after the tarmac circle jerk.

 

[connor_in]

From the transcript:

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

So she is not criminal because she didn't intend to do it? Does that work next time any of us gets pulled over for speeding? So they are saying she is just incompetent?

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

So because she is who she is she won't face consequences, but any other person who engaged in this activity probably would? Sounds fair.

This is the person about to be the Democrat nominee for President of the United States and will probably win. - Here's a question, because of her inability to be able to handle classified information, should she be not allowed to view/possess such information, have her clearance revoked? How would that affect her ability to fulfill the job as POTUS?


"I'll retire to Bedlam." - Ebeneezer Scrooge in Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol

 

[Rizzophil]

Does anyone trust the federal government anymore? On either party...there's plenty of reasons not to

 

[NDgradstudent]

Who you are affects how the justice system treats you?!

 

[wizards8507]

Does anyone trust the federal government anymore? On either party...there's plenty of reasons not to

That's why Bernie Sanders supporters are / were so stupid. They were completely correct that the system is broken and corrupt. However, their proposed solutions invariably involved giving more power and resources to the broken and corrupt system.

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No classified info: lie<br>Allowed by State: lie<br>Turned over all work emails: lie<br>Wanted a single device: lie<br>Never breached: lie</p>— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) <a href="https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/750349528763596801">July 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">18 USC 793. Yet no prosecution. There is no legal justification for Comey's recommendation. <a href="https://t.co/OhkN7sXuIv">pic.twitter.com/OhkN7sXuIv</a></p>— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) <a href="https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/750352884743581696">July 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I honestly already knew that she wasn't going to be prosecuted, but hearing and reading all this stuff is frustrating as hell.