2016 Presidential Horse Race

[phgreek]

It's specifically stated that Bernie is not on the list. Shouldn't surprise anyone.

sorry, I reversed the logic...

on the list, not on the list... I meant to say if Bernie was identified as someone bankers don't want, as was warren, and HRC chose Bernie, I'd take that seriously as an overture for reform...I'm not convinced a warren selection by HRC would mean the same, or result in any reforms....

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Will you still vote for Clinton, anyway?

I can't vote for her with a good conscience. (I won't vote for Trump either.) As of right now, I'd probably leave POTUS blank (I know, Wooly, votes by proxy and all that jazz...). Trump shocking the world and dropping out or the GOP replacing him and/or a Hillary indictment and the DNC replacing her would cause me to completely re-evaluate.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

sorry, I reversed the logic...

on the list, not on the list... I meant to say if Bernie was identified as someone bankers don't want, as was warren, and HRC chose Bernie, I'd take that seriously as an overture for reform...I'm not convinced a warren selection by HRC would mean the same, or result in any reforms....

I see what you're saying. I would take that a little more seriously as well, but I think the chance of it happening are near 0%.

 

[kmoose]

I can't vote for her with a good conscience. (I won't vote for Trump either.) As of right now, I'd probably leave POTUS blank (I know, Wooly, votes by proxy and all that jazz...). Trump shocking the world and dropping out or the GOP replacing him and/or a Hillary indictment and the DNC replacing her would cause me to completely re-evaluate.

That's about where I am at, on the other side of the aisle. I can't vote for Trump, and I will NOT vote for Clinton.

I think I am going to write in Betty Montgomery for POTUS. She's the former Attorney General, and former Auditor, of the State of Ohio. She also was my brother's next door neighbor until he moved about two years ago. I've met her a dozen times or so, and she's genuinely a good person. Plus, she GAVE us her tickets to the 2006 Notre Dame v Ohio State Fiesta Bowl. We sat on the Buckeye side, but right about the 45 yard line....

 

[drayer54]

I can't vote for her with a good conscience. (I won't vote for Trump either.) As of right now, I'd probably leave POTUS blank (I know, Wooly, votes by proxy and all that jazz...). Trump shocking the world and dropping out or the GOP replacing him and/or a Hillary indictment and the DNC replacing her would cause me to completely re-evaluate.

Trump dropping out would be the best case scenario. I would eagerly support a baked potato over our current choices. I think he will drop, it's just a matter of how soon. Him getting stopped in Cleveland is great, him dropping after he is broke and down 20 points in the polls after the debates is bad. He'll likely do it in a way the guarantees a Hillary win. Thus supporting my theory that this is all a ploy to get Hillary in to office.

 

[woolybug25]

I'm not a fan of Hilldog, but I'm gonna give credit where it's due.

Hilldog on Trump's economic acumen:

"Well, he's written a lot of books on business... They all seem to end in chapter 11."

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm not a fan of Hilldog, but I'm gonna give credit where it's due.

Hilldog on Trump's economic acumen:

"Well, he's written a lot of books on business... They all seem to end in chapter 11."

I heard she's written a lot of emails on business..They all seemed to end up in Romania

 

[Irish YJ]

Trump dropping out would be the best case scenario. I would eagerly support a baked potato over our current choices. I think he will drop, it's just a matter of how soon. Him getting stopped in Cleveland is great, him dropping after he is broke and down 20 points in the polls after the debates is bad. He'll likely do it in a way the guarantees a Hillary win. Thus supporting my theory that this is all a ploy to get Hillary in to office.

Baked potatos, boiled beets, fried zucchini... any of those

 

[woolybug25]

Baked potatos, boiled beets, fried zucchini... any of those

I would take a beet at this point.

 

[Irish YJ]

I would take a beet at this point.

I pray every night for a Trump drop out and HRC indictment... wooly it's a sad sad world we live in with these two choices. Seriously depressing if you think too much about it. Luckily I have too much other crap to distract me lol.... I'm interested to see the new HBO (I think it's HBO) docudrama coming out about the primary / general election. How any of those fools can sincerely be excited about either one our candidates makes me questions the nations intellect and how we got to this new low of politics.

 

[woolybug25]

I pray every night for a Trump drop out and HRC indictment... wooly it's a sad sad world we live in with these two choices. Seriously depressing if you think too much about it. Luckily I have too much other crap to distract me lol.... I'm interested to see the new HBO (I think it's HBO) docudrama coming out about the primary / general election. How any of those fools can sincerely be excited about either one our candidates makes me questions the nations intellect and how we got to this new low of politics.

A documentary on this election would be great down the line. It would be sad, but it certainly would be interesting.

I'm surprised we're not hearing more about a third candidate yet. We literally have two candidates with sub 50% approval ratings. More than half the country are polled as not trusting either candidate. Freaking anyone that is universally liked (Oprah, Tom Hanks, Anyone) could step in and have a shot at actually being the ruler of the free world. Yet nobody... Nobody wants anything to do with our shitshow of a political process. It's a terrible day in age.

 

[T Town Tommy]

A documentary on this election would be great down the line. It would be sad, but it certainly would be interesting.

I'm surprised we're not hearing more about a third candidate yet. We literally have two candidates with sub 50% approval ratings. More than half the country are polled as not trusting either candidate. Freaking anyone that is universally liked (Oprah, Tom Hanks, Anyone) could step in and have a shot at actually being the ruler of the free world. Yet nobody... Nobody wants anything to do with our shitshow of a political process. It's a terrible day in age.

The most disinterested... and disappointed... I have been in a Presidential election in a long time. Sad time for our country when it comes to politics.

 

[Irish YJ]

A documentary on this election would be great down the line. It would be sad, but it certainly would be interesting.

I'm surprised we're not hearing more about a third candidate yet. We literally have two candidates with sub 50% approval ratings. More than half the country are polled as not trusting either candidate. Freaking anyone that is universally liked (Oprah, Tom Hanks, Anyone) could step in and have a shot at actually being the ruler of the free world. Yet nobody... Nobody wants anything to do with our shitshow of a political process. It's a terrible day in age.

Wooly, I think you are on to something. Tom has a pretty good resume! Not to mention being smarter than both candidates put together. Run Tom Run!!

 

[GATTACA!]

Hillary Clinton hit a milestone today! And it wasn’t a good one!

 

[connor_in]

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VIDEO: Young people shocked by Hillary's infamous quotes

 

[wizards8507]

A documentary on this election would be great down the line. It would be sad, but it certainly would be interesting.

I'm surprised we're not hearing more about a third candidate yet. We literally have two candidates with sub 50% approval ratings. More than half the country are polled as not trusting either candidate. Freaking anyone that is universally liked (Oprah, Tom Hanks, Anyone) could step in and have a shot at actually being the ruler of the free world. Yet nobody... Nobody wants anything to do with our shitshow of a political process. It's a terrible day in age.

Cuban-Gates 2016.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

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[connor_in]

Clinton IT aide testifies in email case | Washington Examiner

A former information technology specialist for Hillary Clinton invoked his Fifth Amendment rights and refused to answer more than 100 questions Wednesday about his role in setting up Clinton's private email server.

Bryan Pagliano, who worked for Clinton's failed presidential bid in 2008 before following her into the State Department, was initially slated to testify earlier this month before his legal team attempted to avoid a deposition by pointing to Pagliano's immunity deal with the Justice Department.

A federal judge demanded the details of the immunity agreement, which has been kept largely under wraps by the FBI agents investigating Clinton's private email use.

Pagliano's attorneys also filed a motion asking the court to prevent Judicial Watch, the conservative group that brought the case forward, from filming the deposition for fear that the tape could be used as fodder against Clinton in the presidential race. That request was denied, although the footage of Pagliano's testimony will remain under seal.

 

[connor_in]

TV Reporters Laugh At Hillary For Avoiding Questions » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

 

[connor_in]

Memo Reveals Clinton Foundation Donor’s $100 Million Push

 

[connor_in]

Emails: Key security features disabled on Clinton's server

 

[NorthDakota]

HRC's Wall St donors already in her ear about E. Warren.

...and people thought Hillary wasn't bought and paid for...

I guess we'll find out how serious Hillary is about change. Will she snub Wall St and pick Warren as her running mate, or will she obey her donors and not choose Warren. There's no middle ground here.

Isn't the whole idea of a Hilary Presidency basically based on status quo? I can't recall her being a proponent for any out of the box ideas in the way Sanders or The Donald have? I don't think she's serious about change in any way, shape, or form.

 

[woolybug25]

Isn't the whole idea of a Hilary Presidency basically based on status quo? I can't recall her being a proponent for any out of the box ideas in the way Sanders or The Donald have? I don't think she's serious about change in any way, shape, or form.

To be honest, I don't want either of Bernie or Donald's change. If someone could promise me that Hilldog wouldn't do a damn thing different, then she has my vote. I would rather take the status quo for four years until the R's get their heads out of their asses. Assuming thats enough time, which is quite the stretch. They had eight years and the best they could do is Donald freeking Trump.

 

[Buster Bluth]

To be honest, I don't want either of Bernie or Donald's change. If someone could promise me that Hilldog wouldn't do a damn thing different, then she has my vote. I would rather take the status quo for four years until the R's get their heads out of their asses. Assuming thats enough time, which is quite the stretch. They had eight years and the best they could do is Donald freeking Trump.

As Conservative media creates a more extreme voting base, what hope is there that the GOP will ever put itself back together?

Hilldog's campaign of status quo is probably true domestically, and why I'll vote for her begrudgingly, but on foreign policy Obama turned status quo on its head in 2013 after a failed Clinton tenure as Sec of State. She could be an absolute liability there.

 

[Buster Bluth]

TV Reporters Laugh At Hillary For Avoiding Questions » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

You do know Alex Jones is crazy right?

 

[Irish YJ]

You do know Alex Jones is crazy right?

Crazy does not mean untrue.... What specifically about the topic is untrue or so crazy that it's not in the realm of reality. Pretty tame piece pointing out that Hilldog has not answered direct questions and lied about specific situations. No more crazy or untrue than other sources pointing out that Trump is an idiot, etc..

 

[Irish YJ]

HRC's Wall St donors already in her ear about E. Warren.

...and people thought Hillary wasn't bought and paid for...

I guess we'll find out how serious Hillary is about change. Will she snub Wall St and pick Warren as her running mate, or will she obey her donors and not choose Warren. There's no middle ground here.

Hilary (and the Clintons in general) has been bought more than a tenured Vegas hooker. See Walmart connection to Hilldog, as well as Bill's post presidency connection. Several other examples as well, but Walmart is an blatant one and an easy google find.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Crazy does not mean untrue.... What specifically about the topic is untrue or so crazy that it's not in the realm of reality. Pretty tame piece pointing out that Hilldog has not answered direct questions and lied about specific situations. No more crazy or untrue than other sources pointing out that Trump is an idiot, etc..

I didn't even open the link.

Posting links to infowars should be a bannable offense. Only half-joking.

 

[Irish YJ]

I didn't even open the link.

Posting links to infowars should be a bannable offense. Only half-joking.

Like links to Pravda on the Potomac (Wash Post)?

 

[GoIrish41]

Like links to Pravda on the Potomac (Wash Post)?

Very similar new outlets. lol