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Jeebus... Is he legit 6'5"?
If so, man... He sure looks like a tackle.
If so, man... He sure looks like a tackle.
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zelezo vlk
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Kyle Long doesn't have a guard gut. Then again, not many guards have his athleticism.
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Seems like if he squeezes with his left hand just a little too hard, his phone would turn to dust.
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Reps. I was surfing pics of Long to use in a response above but got sidetracked.
*** Well I tried to rep you but apparently I strongly agree with you too often.
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Whoa now, that's dangerous.
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WHAT! You, good man, are out of line. Are you forgetting the first rule of being an IE talent scout? Every offensive linemen ND recruits is a guard!
Now repeat after me: "I don't know, I think __________ projects better as a guard, I can't really see him at tackle."
We'll have you sound like you know what you're talking about in no time!
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Hoooold up. WTF? Please tell me that's some skinny app he's using or that's his sophomore year in HS. He does know Luatua is staying and they aren't short a TE anymore, right?
It seems like yesterday but he looked like a WWE wrestler on NYE. 6 months later, not so much. Someone needs to get him to training table and let that boy graze!
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I'm wondering how much he weighs now? If he was 325 in the first pic (I heard he was up to 345 at times), i imagine he's probably around 300-305 in the new pic….I'm certainly no specialist on this though…I know muscle weighs more than fat….What do you guys think?
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I think he was already incredibly strong coming in, so I'm very excited to see him punish some poor linebackers at the second level.
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He is actually between about 327 and 335 per Harry Hiestand. And this is recently affirmed.
I stood next to him at the spring game. He has maybe the widest shoulders I have ever seen. His thighs are bigger than WWE wrestlers chests. He is seriously huge.
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No way he's only lost 25lbs. He's tiny now. If he's 327-335 in the picture on the left, he was 380 for the Fiesta Bowl.
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Muscle weighs more than fat, dude.... and it's a just a selfie pic...
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That's what I hear. He's lost more than 25lbs.
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I must be gaining a lot of muscle as I get older. At least that's what I keep telling myself.
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Not a top ten pick tackle. Those guys look like this:
Jesus. That pictures needs to be sensored.
Or in the Gentlemen's Club
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It's all those 12 and 16 oz curls. That's what keeps me active
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College Football 2016 Preseason All-America Team | SI.com
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I expect that he'll have a difficult decision to make at the end of this season. That left side will be nasty. Its the right side that worries me.
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I think losing Elmer is going to hurt more than people realize. We're going to have a new center (replacing one of the best in the country) which will hurt pass protection, then two new guys next to each other... probably Kraemer and Bars if I had to guess. They'll probably be fine by week 10 but in week 1? We're sure as hell not going to be as consistent as last year.
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Told you in Foster's thread. This guy is locked and cocked.
I mean he is the widest human I think I have ever seen. And this spring it was pretty much all muscle. He hasn't done anything but get quicker, and he may come in among the lowest body fat rates for offensive linemen in the country. And I guess he is going to play a shade under 340. This kid is for real.
But I think he stays for four years, at this point. His technique could use refinement, and there is too much fun to have winning a championship(s).
I mean he is the widest human I think I have ever seen. And this spring it was pretty much all muscle. He hasn't done anything but get quicker, and he may come in among the lowest body fat rates for offensive linemen in the country. And I guess he is going to play a shade under 340. This kid is for real.
But I think he stays for four years, at this point. His technique could use refinement, and there is too much fun to have winning a championship(s).
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I don't see it. I like Elmer, great kid, smart and he's gonna go places, but he just wasn't getting it done inside. You'd think his feet were glued to the field most of the time. He and Martin really struggled when we went up against athletic d-linemen.
I don't know if Bivin, McGovern or Kraemer can provide the same strength, but having that strength doesn't do us much good if he's not quick enough to get a lock on his man. That's why Nelson is such an impressive interior lineman. He's got solid footwork despite weighing over 325 pounds.
And a little off-topic, as much as I loved Martin as a leader, there were games where he just wasn't quick or strong enough at the point of attack. His injuries really hampered his ability to lock up with his man and get physical. I'm fairly optimistic that Mustipher will be a substantial upgrade from a physical perspective over a hampered Martin.
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From your assessment I'm wonder what these NFL scouts saw in Martin to draft him in the second round.
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He had a 98% pass block rate, one of the best in the entire country for guards... truly in the top 5% of all Power 5 interior linemen... sooooo....
Look, I don't know what else to say here. On one hand, Elmer was our worst OL last year. That's undeniable when looking at what the advanced metrics and film breakdowns say. On the other hand, the other four guys are all going to be top NFL draft picks (Stanley and Martin already off the board this past year). So that's a high bar.
But it's undeniable that Elmer was -- at worst -- very solid. He had one disaster of a game (Clemson), and his glaring flaw was that he graded out poorly as a run blocker. He wasn't a mauler, and he didn't make impactful plays in the run game. But he was extremely consistent -- truly one of the best in the entire country -- at not giving up pressures and sacks up the middle. Now we're replacing the veteran center and probably starting a true frosh next to him... can't really make the case that we're going to be "better" there than we were last year.
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Yeah it's not like we are replacing Elmer with Aaron Taylor lol. Mustipher will be fine but that RG spot, I think, will be in flux all year. Possibly some reps for Hoge, or even Kraemer
I will say it's a nice problem to have, losing 2 guys in rounds 1-2 and still having 3 proven studs at LT, RT, and LG.
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I keep seeing this from various posters. Is there some info that Kraemer is likely to start? As good as he is, I find it hard to believe he's going to start as a true freshmen over some of the talent we've brought in during the previous few years. He's going to be awesome, for sure, but it's very hard for a freshman to come in and start in a program with a solid, well coached group of OL like ours. You have your ear closer to the program than most though, so I'll defer to your judgement if you've heard otherwise. Just curious if this is speculation or inside info.
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Because when Martin is healthy, he's good. He's very good. Look back in 2013, and he was an excellent interior lineman. But the fact is that the last 2 years, he's struggled due to injuries. 2014 with his hand injury that forced him to move outside, not to mention coming back from a major knee injury from late 2013, and then last season he had nagging ankle problems.
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This happens every year.
When someone had the audacity to state that the line after Martin and Watt may be better overall, people began building a pyre beneath a stake.
Elmer and Martin were better than the negatives expressed, and probably not quite as good as the positives.
Martin played most of his time starting at Notre Dame injured. The few games where he had his health he dominated. Because of circumstances, I actually expect him to have a much better pro career than college.
Elmer wasn't as effective as a guard in a zone scheme as he would have been in an other scheme. I think though Elmer may have been an decent lineman, and one of our best returning, some others may actually do better at the position this year because of their specific strong skills. Not many guards can play a block either way depending on the defenders angle, wall him off, and then release quickly to get to the second level. We may have one or two better at that than Elmer.
When someone had the audacity to state that the line after Martin and Watt may be better overall, people began building a pyre beneath a stake.
Elmer and Martin were better than the negatives expressed, and probably not quite as good as the positives.
Martin played most of his time starting at Notre Dame injured. The few games where he had his health he dominated. Because of circumstances, I actually expect him to have a much better pro career than college.
Elmer wasn't as effective as a guard in a zone scheme as he would have been in an other scheme. I think though Elmer may have been an decent lineman, and one of our best returning, some others may actually do better at the position this year because of their specific strong skills. Not many guards can play a block either way depending on the defenders angle, wall him off, and then release quickly to get to the second level. We may have one or two better at that than Elmer.