2016 Presidential Horse Race

[ACamp1900]

But a democrat that hires goons to intimidate/harass/slander that husband's alleged rape victims IS trustworthy? That's what you're saying?

Fixed the important terminology...

 

[Rizzophil]

Our country is ripe for a correction in every area. Doesn't really matter who gets elected --- It's basically becomes who is a better leader

 

[EddytoNow]

But a spouse that hires goons to intimidate/harass/slander that husband's alleged rape victims IS trustworthy? That's what you're saying?

Allegations that have not been supported by any credible evidence. Allegations that were fully vetted in the 1990's without any charges. Repeating unproven allegations over and over doesn't make them true. It might be an effective political tool to repeat unproven allegations, but in this country we are still innocent until proven guilty. And the proof of Hillary's guilt is what exactly?

Despite several independent investigations costing millions of dollars all you have are the allegations.

 

[IrishLax]

Allegations that have not been supported by any credible evidence. Allegations that were fully vetted in the 1990's without any charges. Repeating unproven allegations over and over doesn't make them true. It might be an effective political tool to repeat unproven allegations, but in this country we are still innocent until proven guilty. And the proof of Hillary's guilt is what exactly?

Despite several independent investigations costing millions of dollars all you have are the allegations.

Uhhhh.... way to move the goal posts. Please show me where I said anything about the veracity of the allegations?

We're talking about Hillary Clinton and her actions. Specifically: Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to 'destroy' Bill Clinton accusers - Washington Times
The rape allegation against Bill Clinton, explained - Vox

Do you believe Hillary Clinton's behavior in these situations was acceptable, yes or no?

 

[GATTACA!]

Uhhhh.... way to move the goal posts. Please show me where I said anything about the veracity of the allegations?

We're talking about Hillary Clinton and her actions. Specifically: Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to 'destroy' Bill Clinton accusers - Washington Times
The rape allegation against Bill Clinton, explained - Vox

Do you believe Hillary Clinton's behavior in these situations was acceptable, yes or no?

She also called the victims bimbos which is hilarious when you consider the women's card she's running her campaign on.

 

[IrishLax]

She also called the victims bimbos which is hilarious when you consider the women's card she's running her campaign on.

Mhmm.

She goes up there and says "victims should be believed" on the campaign trail... after she systematically went and tried to destroy/intimidate/discredit/slander every single accuser of Bill in a way that would even make Art Briles blush.

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Boom?src=hash">#Boom</a>! | RT <a href="https://twitter.com/WalterMirkovic">@WalterMirkovic</a> “nuff said.” <a href="https://t.co/PB2ZOEpJ3D">pic.twitter.com/PB2ZOEpJ3D</a></p>— Adam Baldwin (@AdamBaldwin) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/737726073341759490">May 31, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[phgreek]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Boom?src=hash">#Boom</a>! | RT <a href="https://twitter.com/WalterMirkovic">@WalterMirkovic</a> “nuff said.” <a href="https://t.co/PB2ZOEpJ3D">pic.twitter.com/PB2ZOEpJ3D</a></p>— Adam Baldwin (@AdamBaldwin) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/737726073341759490">May 31, 2016</a></blockquote>
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kinda funny. and yea I realize no one dies directly related to misusing computers...but Mrs. Clinton could very well have exposed information and operatives...operatives whose cover could be blown...at the very least, they would need to come out of cover work...and may well be killed. Serious Shit.

 

[IrishLion]

 

[gkIrish]

 

[connor_in]

Sweet Meteor of Death

Sweet Meteor O'Death
@smod2016

Candidate for President, Precambrian Conservative, #smod2016, Ready to Make an Impact, Tough on Putin & Iran, I'll probably destroy all Earthly life.
En route to planet Earth

 

[Wild Bill]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/hillary-clinton-candidacy.html

“So yeah,” Clinton continued. “That level of visceral … fear, anxiety, insecurity plays a role” in how America regards ambitious women.

The sexism is less virulent now than it was in 2008, she said, but still she encounters people on rope lines who tell her, “ ‘I really admire you, I really like you, I just don’t know if I can vote for a woman to be president.’ I mean, they come to my events and then they say that to me.”

Yeah, this seems legit.

 

[Legacy]

Donald Trump declares war on the press

This morning, Donald Trump held a press conference to answer questions about a fundraiser he held four months ago on behalf of veterans’ groups, and perhaps more so than ever before, he made explicit his contempt for the media that have given him so much attention over the past year. Not only that, he promised to continue to attack them whenever they fail to give him the kind of coverage Russian state-owned media give Vladimir Putin.

It was little short of a declaration of war.

The ostensible purpose of the event was to address that fundraiser, particularly the shifting stories and outright falsehoods about it that have come from Trump and his staffers. In recent weeks there have been questions about whether Trump had raised what he claimed, how much of it had actually been distributed, and perhaps most troublingly, the fact that on that night in January Trump said he had given $1 million to veterans’ groups, which was false. When the Post’s David Fahrenthold and other reporters began investigating where the money had gone, they found no evidence that Trump had given $1 million to any veterans’ group. Then last Monday — four months after he claimed to have given his donation and only after reporters’ questions had become more frequent and pressing — Trump finally called the head of a veterans’ group to tell him the group would be getting a $1 million donation from him.
When Fahrenthold asked Trump whether he had given the money only because he was getting questions from reporters about it — a perfectly reasonable question to ask — Trump replied, “You know, you’re a nasty guy. You’re a really nasty guy.” That was a preview of what happened today.

In this press conference, Trump was as ridiculous as ever — he must have claimed “I didn’t want the credit” for raising money for veterans at least a dozen times, which is sort of like Kim Kardashian saying “I really don’t want to be famous.” But he spent most of his time attacking the media.

We should understand that Trump is hardly alone among politicians in disliking the media or thinking that his coverage isn’t what it should be. Where he differs is in the other things he believes. Trump thinks he literally deserves a constant stream of praise and kudos from reporters. He thinks that any challenging question from a reporter is not just inappropriate and unfair but evidence that the reporter is a terrible person. He thinks that it’s reasonable for a presidential nominee to look a reporter in the face, point at him, and say “You’re a sleaze,” for no reason other than that the reporter asked a question premised on something other than the idea that Donald Trump is a spectacular human being everyone should constantly be applauding.

“The press should be ashamed of themselves,” he said. Reporters “are not good people,” he said. “The political press is among the most dishonest people that I’ve ever met,” he said. “The press is so dishonest and so unfair,” he said, without identifying a single thing anyone in the media said on this topic that wasn’t true. When ABC News reporter Tom Llamas asked Trump about his well-known penchant for exaggeration, Trump said, “What I don’t want is when I raise millions of dollars, have people say, like this sleazy guy right over here from ABC. He’s a sleaze in my book.” When Llamas asked why, Trump responded, “You’re a sleaze because you know the facts and you know the facts well.” And this may have been the most revealing part:

“Instead of being like, ‘Thank you very much, Mr. Trump’ or ‘Trump did a good job,’ everyone’s saying ‘Who got it, who got it, who got it,’ and you make me look very bad. I have never received such bad publicity for doing such a good job.”

He actually believes that it’s the job of political reporters covering a presidential candidate to write “Thank you very much, Mr. Trump.” It’s not the press’ job to discover the truth or ask questions or hold the powerful accountable; their job is to promote him and compliment him. And when he doesn’t get the glowing coverage he wants, he attacks.
I’m trying not to get tired of saying this, but just try to imagine what the reaction would be if Hillary Clinton came out to defend herself against some perfectly reasonable questions, and said “The press should be ashamed of themselves” or pointed to a reporter and said, “You’re a sleaze.” She wouldn’t be criticized or questioned, she’d be crucified. Reporters would ask if she had lost her mind and was having a nervous breakdown. There would be demands for her to pull out of the race immediately, since she had shown herself to be so unstable.

It’s going to be a real challenge for reporters covering Trump to continue to ask the questions they ask of every candidate, to demand answers and to point out falsehoods — which is already a herculean task when it comes to Trump, since he delivers so many of them. That’s not easy to do when you know your subject is going to assault you over it. And it’s not likely to change.

“Is this what it’s going to be like covering you if you’re president?” one reporter asked near the end of the press conference.

Trump’s reply: “Yeah, it is. I’m going to continue to attack the press.”

 

[EddytoNow]

Uhhhh.... way to move the goal posts. Please show me where I said anything about the veracity of the allegations?

We're talking about Hillary Clinton and her actions. Specifically: Hillary Clinton haunted by efforts to 'destroy' Bill Clinton accusers - Washington Times
The rape allegation against Bill Clinton, explained - Vox

Do you believe Hillary Clinton's behavior in these situations was acceptable, yes or no?

So your argument regarding Hillary's trustworthiness are based upon allegations against her that have no veracity? You do know that veracity means "truthfulness", don't you?

 

[Irish YJ]

So your argument regarding Hillary's trustworthiness are based upon allegations against her that have no veracity? You do know that veracity means "truthfulness", don't you?

 

[IrishLax]

So your argument regarding Hillary's trustworthiness are based upon allegations against her that have no veracity? You do know that veracity means "truthfulness", don't you?

Yeah... that's why I used the word correctly...?

Look, if you're not willing to answer the question, then just say so. And/or stop posting your half-baked BS.

The point is quite simple:
1. Clinton recently grandstanded about how all presumptive victims of sexual assault should be believed. She got behind the popular notion that if someone reports an allegation they deserve support and belief during the fact finding process, and then a fair review of the facts.
2. In her past, she intimidated/threatened/derided/harassed women when they made allegations... with no possible way of knowing at the time if they were true or not when she attacked them.

So do you believe Clinton's actions towards these women were acceptable? Yes or no. Don't dodge the question again.

 

[irishfan]

Donald Trump declares war on the press

Probably a positive day/event for him overall. He held this fundraiser over 4 months ago and now the $5.6 million he raised is back in the spotlight. He released all the details of where the money went and got a Vet out there to explain the vetting process and to defend Trump while joining in on berating the media.....almost like he let this story drag out for so long to generate the most publicity while also helping distract from new Trump U stories.....

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[EddytoNow]

Yeah... that's why I used the word correctly...?

Look, if you're not willing to answer the question, then just say so. And/or stop posting your half-baked BS.

The point is quite simple:
1. Clinton recently grandstanded about how all presumptive victims of sexual assault should be believed. She got behind the popular notion that if someone reports an allegation they deserve support and belief during the fact finding process, and then a fair review of the facts.
2. In her past, she intimidated/threatened/derided/harassed women when they made allegations... with no possible way of knowing at the time if they were true or not when she attacked them.

So do you believe Clinton's actions towards these women were acceptable? Yes or no. Don't dodge the question again.

Again, you are assuming that allegations of actions that Hillary took in the 1990's to defend her husband are true. Those allegations have never been proven. You choose to believe the allegations regarding Hillary's actions without any proof. I choose to wait until those charges have been proven.

 

[Irish YJ]

Again, you are assuming that allegations of actions that Hillary took in the 1990's to defend her husband are true. Those allegations have never been proven. You choose to believe the allegations regarding Hillary's actions without any proof. I choose to wait until those charges have been proven.

It's all a conspiracy. All of those hoes just lying bout those thug tactics and want to get paid.

 

[IrishLax]

Again, you are assuming that allegations of actions that Hillary took in the 1990's to defend her husband are true. Those allegations have never been proven. You choose to believe the allegations regarding Hillary's actions without any proof. I choose to wait until those charges have been proven.

LOL. So rather than answer the question, you're literally going to pretend that it didn't happen? That the dozens and dozens of people that have gone on record about it are all lying?

Much of it has been "proved"... but let's make it simple and go with undeniable public statements she made and you can quote. It is a 100% verified fact that Hillary Clinton & co. called them, among other things, "bimbos" and "stalkers". This is not debatable, it happened.

Last chance to answer the question: do you support Hillary Clinton calling alleged victims of sexual abuse derogatory terms in a public smear campaign before completion of fact finding and due process?

I mean it... last chance. Or you're just trolling as bad as that Trump loony from a few months ago.

 

[IrishLax]

It's all a conspiracy. All of those hoes just lying bout those thug tactics and want to get paid.

Yeah, right? All of those Clinton employees (who participated in it) and all of those women all independently made up stories about what happened. Because Hillary said so, and she is trustworthy.

Literally some of the dumbest crap I've ever read on the internet.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah, right? All of those Clinton employees (who participated in it) and all of those women all independently made up stories about what happened. Because Hillary said so, and she is trustworthy.

Literally some of the dumbest crap I've ever read on the internet.

Yup, Eddy drowning in the Kool Aid

 

[NDinL.A.]

Probably a positive day/event for him overall. He held this fundraiser over 4 months ago and now the $5.6 million he raised is back in the spotlight. He released all the details of where the money went and got a Vet out there to explain the vetting process and to defend Trump while joining in on berating the media.....almost like he let this story drag out for so long to generate the most publicity while also helping distract from new Trump U stories.....

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How in the world do you consider that a net positive? He looked like a petulant little child (really, a petulant little bi*** if I'm being honest). He simply cannot take a single bit of criticism without completely losing his shit. He talks about being so tough, but NOBODY plays the victim card as much as he does - dude does it even more than Hillary.

In the presser, he straight up lied and said he never seeked publicity for it, even though he spoke about it in Iowa A LOT and then in subsequent rallies he brought it up. It's insane that ANYONE would be this BS he keeps throwing out here.

But the worst part is that he expects the press not to report on him if it does not put him in a positive light. He LOVES them because they give him so much free media, but he absolutely kills trek for doing their jobs. It's bad enough that he has threatened to change the 1st amendment so he can sue reporters for negative pieces, but then he tells them all that he will continue to be like this as the leader of the free world. I mean, did you hear the presser? He has absolutely zero composure...he is the presidential nominee for the GOP, he fibbed about/exaggerated about the amount of money he raised and his own campaign admitted as much - why does he expect he press not to cover that?

Anyway, as for this helping him - his supporters are going to love this, of course. But they'll love anything he does. But what he and Hillary have to do is get the undecided independents, and the undecided in their own parties. This is just yet another example of him looking like a buffoon, which he doesn't need more of. He has to turn blue states into red states, and I don't see how this helps IMHO.

 

[woolybug25]

The irony of him blasting media when they have given him millions of dollars of free air time. They are his biggest contributor to his campaign. Ha.

 

[GATTACA!]

How in the world do you consider that a net positive??? He looked like a petulant little child (really, a petulant little bi*** if I'm being honest). He simply cannot take a single bit of criticism without completely losing his shit. He talks about being so tough, but NOBODY plays the victim card as much as he does - dude does it even more than Hillary.

In the presser, he straight up lied and said he never seeked publicity for it, even though he spoke about it in Iowa A LOT and then in subsequent rallies he brought it up. It's insane that ANYONE would be this BS he keeps throwing out here.

But the worst part is that he expects the press not to report on him if it does not put him in a positive light. He LOVES them because they give him so much free media, but he absolutely kills trek for doing their jobs. It's bad enough that he has threatened to change the 1st amendment so he can sue reporters for negative pieces, but then he tells them all that he will continue to be like this as the leader of the free world. I mean, did you hear the presser? He has absolutely zero composure...he is the presidential nominee for the GOP, he fibbed about/exaggerated about the amount of money he raised and his own campaign admitted as much - why does he expect he press not to cover that?

Anyway, as for this helping him - his supporters are going to love this, of course. But they'll love anything he does. But what he and Hillary have to do is get the undecided independents, and the undecided in their own parties. This is just yet another example of him looking like a buffoon, which he doesn't need more of. He has to turn blue states into red states, and I don't see how this helps IMHO.

Let's dispell once and for all with this notion that Donald Trump doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

What will everyone's take away from this scuffle be? People that hate Trump will continue to hate Trump and focus on the lie. People that love Trump won't care about the lie and will focus on the media trying to screw with Don. People on the fence or barely in tune with politics will hear in passing about Trump raising 6 million dollars for vets.

Unstumpable

 

[no.1IrishFan]

Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee - WSJ

 

[GATTACA!]

Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee - WSJ

Can a member quote it here? It wont let me read it.

 

[EddytoNow]

LOL. So rather than answer the question, you're literally going to pretend that it didn't happen? That the dozens and dozens of people that have gone on record about it are all lying?

Much of it has been "proved"... but let's make it simple and go with undeniable public statements she made and you can quote. It is a 100% verified fact that Hillary Clinton & co. called them, among other things, "bimbos" and "stalkers". This is not debatable, it happened.

Last chance to answer the question: do you support Hillary Clinton calling alleged victims of sexual abuse derogatory terms in a public smear campaign before completion of fact finding and due process?

I mean it... last chance. Or you're just trolling as bad as that Trump loony from a few months ago.

Let me get this straight! Your proof of her intimidation/harassment/threatening/derogatory statements, etc. is that she, or someone associated with the Clintons, called someone a "bimbo" or a "stalker"? And where do you stand on the Republican nominee for president, who has taken derogatory statements to a new level? Is he accountable for all of his own statements, as well as the statements attributed to his supporters?

 

[IrishLax]

Let me get this straight! Your proof of her intimidation/harassment/threatening/derogatory statements, etc. is that she, or someone associated with the Clintons, called someone a "bimbo" or a "stalker"? And where do you stand on the Republican nominee for president, who has taken derogatory statements to a new level? Is he accountable for all of his own statements, as well as the statements attributed to his supporters?

hahahaha... yeah,I'm done... you still won't answer the simple question... you keep squirming and deflecting and trying to change the topic. You absolutely refuse to even acknowledge/address what Clinton is and what she's done.

You do realize how you're making yourself look, right? When someone repeatedly asks you something very simple and straightforward and you categorically refuse to give an answer?

BTW, to the bolded, I'm voting for Clinton because she is vastly superior to Trump in pretty much every conceivable way. Said that numerous times in this thread. I'm just trying to keep everyone honest and accountable here. When I see BS on either the right or the left I'm going to call it out.

And your posting is absolutely rank with a borderline-trollish denial of veritable facts, and a refusal to engage in intellectually honest discussion. Truly disappointing.

 

[GATTACA!]

Hillary Clinton yet to hold single press conference in 2016

FUCKING COWARD