2016 Presidential Horse Race

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[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Mr. President, we need a new DNC chair (Opinion) - CNN.com

By Jonathon Tasani

So Dems need to remove a woman in power to put a woman in power, cuz they can't handle grandpa and his emo teen followers.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Mr. President, we need a new DNC chair (Opinion) - CNN.com

By Jonathon Tasani

The way I see it, the super delegates did exactly what they were designed to do. They rallied behind the establishment candidate in order to block the outsider. It's my opinion, that that alone wouldn't have ignited Sanders supporters against the DNC like we're currently seeing. It's the combination of everything that gives off this perception that the system was rigged in favor of HRC from the beginning. Whether people want to buy into that or not, the perception is what matters. When people already feel like our government is untrustworthy, stuff like this is only going to stoke that fire. That's what we're seeing.

On the other side, Trump won. But had he not won or if the GOP "rigged" the process in order to keep him down, you would be seeing the exact same thing from that voter base. Bottom line, people are sick and tired of our government. That's why Trump rose to the top on the right and it's why people are fighting so hard for Bernie on the left. The GOP basically bent over and accepted it. The DNC is doing everything they can to suppress it, completely ignoring the fact that the more they do, the worse it's going to get.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I feel like I should just copy and paste the same argument until August.

Do people really believe these polls mean anything this far out? What has happened since Trump has been the presumptive nominee, and Cruz and Rubio supporters have reluctantly said they'd vote for Trump? It doesn't take a genius to know that the reason his numbers have gone up is because the party has only one person to vote for now.

What do you think will happen when Sanders inevitably throws his unwavering support behind Clinton (people are insane if they think that isn't going to happen once Sanders gets more of his agenda on the Democratic platform - this morning at his rally he didn't mention Hillary once and instead talked about keeping Trump out of the White House)? Her numbers will go up as well with that bump. And then when those bumps even out, we'll see where everything stands after the dust settles. It's laughable that Trump supporters were downplaying the polls when he was losing (badly) and now I see they (not you guys) are quick to point them out now that he is predictably surging.

Not that he can't win, but those 538 guys will be quick to tell you that these polls mean very little so far out.

And now a new poll out saying Clinton leads, 47% to 41%.

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/wat...l-689532995976

Like I said, it's all BS until at least August (even though this poll makes me happy to see Trump losing, I'm still not buying any polls yet).

 

[IrishJayhawk]

The way I see it, the super delegates did exactly what they were designed to do. They rallied behind the establishment candidate in order to block the outsider. It's my opinion, that that alone wouldn't have ignited Sanders supporters against the DNC like we're currently seeing. It's the combination of everything that gives off this perception that the system was rigged in favor of HRC from the beginning. Whether people want to buy into that or not, the perception is what matters. When people already feel like our government is untrustworthy, stuff like this is only going to stoke that fire. That's what we're seeing.

On the other side, Trump won. But had he not won or if the GOP "rigged" the process in order to keep him down, you would be seeing the exact same thing from that voter base. Bottom line, people are sick and tired of our government. That's why Trump rose to the top on the right and it's why people are fighting so hard for Bernie on the left. The GOP basically bent over and accepted it. The DNC is doing everything they can to suppress it, completely ignoring the fact that the more they do, the worse it's going to get.

So why didn't it work in 2008? The super delegates were with Clinton until Obama took and held the lead. Then they flipped. The same could have happened this time, right? But Bernie has never closed the gap. She actually only lost by 100 pledged delegates, much closer than Bernie is right now.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

So why didn't it work in 2008? The super delegates were with Clinton until Obama took and held the lead. Then they flipped. The same could have happened this time, right? But Bernie has never closed the gap. She actually only lost by 100 pledged delegates, much closer than Bernie is right now.

Bernie is far more of an establishment outsider than Obama was considered to be in '08. Hindsight proves, Obama isn't an outsider at all. It's not surprising that the supers backed the popular vote then. If Bernie was winning in pledged delegates, they'd have a real choice to make: Back the popular vote or go against your electorate and block the outsider while pushing through the establishment pick (which is what it's designed to do). It doesn't seem they'll need to make that choice.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Bernie is far more of an establishment outsider than Obama was considered to be in '08. Hindsight proves, Obama isn't an outsider at all. It's not surprising that the supers backed the popular vote then. If Bernie was winning in pledged delegates, they'd have a real choice to make: Back the popular vote or go against your electorate and block the outsider while pushing through the establishment pick (which is what it's designed to do). It doesn't seem they'll need to make that choice.

But that's all speculation (which is, admittedly, what I asked for... grin. The reality is that the super delegates supported the nominee with the most pledged delegates last time when it mattered. And Obama was less of an outsider, but he was still an outsider. Young upstart who was against the Iraq war and talking about changing the tone in Washington. The establishment liked him but thought he should wait his turn. The voters disagreed and the establishment got on board. That didn't happen this time.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

But that's all speculation (which is, admittedly, what I asked for... grin. The reality is that the super delegates supported the nominee with the most pledged delegates last time when it mattered. And Obama was less of an outsider, but he was still an outsider. Young upstart who was against the Iraq war and talking about changing the tone in Washington. The establishment liked him but thought he should wait his turn. The voters disagreed and the establishment got on board. That didn't happen this time.

That's the main difference this time is that Bernie isn't winning the popular vote so it's making the supers' life easier.

But that brings me back to the issue of the DNC and DWS. The combination of everything that's happened this cycle has really put a sour taste in Bernie supporters' mouths. I honestly believe people could live with the fact that HRC won the vote so the supers backer her. But it's how she's winning. There's voter fraud investigations going on in what, six states? DSW scheduling fewer debates than ever and at horrible times, blocking Bernie's staff from voter data, etc. It just reeks of Hillary bias and has this entire time. Throw in this condescending tone with comments calling for Bernie to drop out, know your role, toe the party line, throw support behind Hillary, let Hillary battle Trump, etc...and people are just at their whits end with the DNC. Quite honestly, I think the mainstream media is missing a massive story. Perhaps it's on purpose though, as by in large they support Hillary and the status quo.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Elect_Justice">@Elect_Justice</a> filing lawsuit in California for improper mailers sent out ahead of the primary <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FeelTheBern?src=hash">#FeelTheBern</a> <a href="https://t.co/6LHzd5INP0">pic.twitter.com/6LHzd5INP0</a></p>— Jordan (@JordanChariton) <a href="https://twitter.com/JordanChariton/status/733661974001811457">May 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/JordanChariton">@JordanChariton</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Elect_Justice">@Elect_Justice</a> Here is text of 3006(C). Everybody please read. Now, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TYT?src=hash">#TYT</a> post the CA mailer <a href="https://t.co/FP2iuT51KO">pic.twitter.com/FP2iuT51KO</a></p>— Okey Moronu (@OkeyMor57) <a href="https://twitter.com/OkeyMor57/status/733670037081460738">May 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[connor_in]

SENATOR BOXER Claims Bernie Supporters Made Her Fear for Her Life: "It Was Scary" (VIDEO)

Angry Mob Surrounds Trump Supporter » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

 

[GDomer09]

Lying & Hilary......She's on her own level!

Lying & Hilary......She's on her own level!

https://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI

 

[kmoose]

SENATOR BOXER Claims Bernie Supporters Made Her Fear for Her Life: "It Was Scary" (VIDEO)

THIS is what scared her:

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It may seem harsh to some, but I don't care for one minute that someone claimed to be scared of THAT scene....

 

[ACamp1900]

"All about civility" and then acts like she did all of one minute later... There are few people in this country I loath more than Barbra Boxer...

 

[BleedBlueGold]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/froomkin">@froomkin</a> Boxer claims fear for her safety at NV but she blowing kisses and flipping off Bernie peeps! <a href="https://twitter.com/LeeCamp">@LeeCamp</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/CNN">@CNN</a> <a href="https://t.co/5M8CYKip5d">pic.twitter.com/5M8CYKip5d</a></p>— Rachel S. Foster (@Sykosuperchik) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sykosuperchik/status/733392191029149701">May 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[GATTACA!]

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[IrishJayhawk]

FWIW

Donald Trump's map: The downside - POLITICO

 

[connor_in]

I saw this and figured this needs to be used all over IE

 

[wizards8507]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arguments that Trump is too stupid may fall flat when the Democrat nominee doesn't know how Venn diagrams work. <a href="https://t.co/mj8wBkVzjh">pic.twitter.com/mj8wBkVzjh</a></p>— Andrew Klavan (@andrewklavan) <a href="https://twitter.com/andrewklavan/status/733710331680292865">May 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/9OoraGFCpN">pic.twitter.com/9OoraGFCpN</a></p>— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) <a href="https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/733754907614908418">May 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[IrishJayhawk]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arguments that Trump is too stupid may fall flat when the Democrat nominee doesn't know how Venn diagrams work. <a href="https://t.co/mj8wBkVzjh">pic.twitter.com/mj8wBkVzjh</a></p>— Andrew Klavan (@andrewklavan) <a href="https://twitter.com/andrewklavan/status/733710331680292865">May 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/9OoraGFCpN">pic.twitter.com/9OoraGFCpN</a></p>— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) <a href="https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/733754907614908418">May 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Yeah...I see where they were going with that one. But that's not how they work.

 

[connor_in]

Europe's Leaders Blast Bill Over Democracy Jibe: 'The Mouth Belongs To Clinton, The Voice Belongs To Soros'

 

[phgreek]

Europe's Leaders Blast Bill Over Democracy Jibe: 'The Mouth Belongs To Clinton, The Voice Belongs To Soros'

Clintons just shaking down some countries for contributions...here in a month or so the Clinton foundation will get donations, and suddenly Bill and Hillary will sing their praises...

On a serious note...if I were under cover working in a foreign land...and Hillary Clinton got elected...I'd quit. Your cover is compromised, because she could be compromised. You think she wouldn't sell you out to cover something she's done?

 

[GoIrish41]

This will hurt Trump.

Obama's Asian nuclear nightmare - POLITICO

 

[EddytoNow]

This will hurt Trump.

Obama's Asian nuclear nightmare - POLITICO

It should hurt him, but his supporters hear what they want to hear. His rhetoric (and heaven forbid his actions) suggests that the US will be the world bully and no one's ally. Like Trump himself, the US will be looking out for numero uno without concern for larger world issues or long-term consequences. None of our allies will feel as though the US is a dependable ally.

Ask yourself, "If I was in the trenches with Donald Trump, would he have my back or be looking out for himself?" His actions and rhetoric throughout his life suggest that he puts nothing before his own well-being.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Donald Trump now being used in terrorist propaganda videos, Hillary Clinton says | PolitiFact

 

[GoIrish41]

It should hurt him, but his supporters hear what they want to hear. His rhetoric (and heaven forbid his actions) suggests that the US will be the world bully and no one's ally. Like Trump himself, the US will be looking out for numero uno without concern for larger world issues or long-term consequences. None of our allies will feel as though the US is a dependable ally.

Ask yourself, "If I was in the trenches with Donald Trump, would he have my back or be looking out for himself?" His actions and rhetoric throughout his life suggest that he puts nothing before his own well-being.

His supporters can believe what they will. This will hurt with the fence sitters and independents.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Yawn

 

[NDinL.A.]

Yawn

A Trumpian comeback. Bringing the heat. Bravo.

GoIrish, does anything hurt this guy? He lies incessantly, he race-baits, he flip-flops on every major issue, he fear-mongers, he talks about communist leaders in glowing terms, he loves Hillart then hates her, he cheats on his wives and brags about it, he friggin' calls reporters and pretends he's a made-up publicist just to brag about himself...I mean, has ANY of this mattered to his sheep? And most of he rest of the GOP have cowardly fallen in line with him.

He's got my former party by the balls and he knows it, and he's not going to change, bc none of this stuff sticks. Respectfully, I think people are nuts if you think something like this will change anything. He's the new Teflon Don. It's going to take something a LOT bigger to hurt him, or there will finally be a normal-sized screw up that will finally be the tipping point for him for the non-sheep to be done with him. But this? IMHO, much ado about nothing my man...just another day in paradise for Trumph.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

My biological dad I never met is Hispanic, so like ima identify as Hispanic. Hispanics for Trump.

Add me on steam for rocket league Build That Wall[###]r/The_Donald
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[GATTACA!]

A Trumpian comeback. Bringing the heat. Bravo.

GoIrish, does anything hurt this guy? He lies incessantly, he race-baits, he flip-flops on every major issue, he fear-mongers, he talks about communist leaders in glowing terms, he loves Hillart then hates her, he cheats on his wives and brags about it, he friggin' calls reporters and pretends he's a made-up publicist just to brag about himself...I mean, has ANY of this mattered to his sheep? And most of he rest of the GOP have cowardly fallen in line with him.

He's got my former party by the balls and he knows it, and he's not going to change, bc none of this stuff sticks. Respectfully, I think people are nuts if you think something like this will change anything. He's the new Teflon Don. It's going to take something a LOT bigger to hurt him, or there will finally be a normal-sized screw up that will finally be the tipping point for him for the non-sheep to be done with him. But this? IMHO, much ado about nothing my man...just another day in paradise for Trumph.

LOTS of this is also true of Hillary.

 

[GoIrish41]

LOTS of this is also true of Hillary.

Hillary has flip flopped, no question, just as most politicians are apt to do over a career that spans decades. With her it is usually a matter of degree or nuance on any given issue. But Donald Trump completely reverses himself on issues at an alarming rate -- often within 24 hours. When you compare the candidates, one has thought about issues deeply and one is struggling to articulate a coherent set of ideas.

As to the rest, can you provide some examples of Hillary complementing dictators, fear mongering, race baiting, cheating on her spouse and bragging about it, pretending to be a fictitious publicist and boasting about herself. I don't think she does any of those things, let alone lots of them.