'17 FL DE Josh Kaindoh (Florida State Verbal)

[NDdomer2]

Then this must be a great joke he is playing. I don't know if the CB's are worth anything or Wiltfongs are in particular, but Steve and Loy are not the only ones throwing in the CB's for Josh to ND.

Just sheep

 

[jerboski]

I don't really care what the excuses are or what the reason is, plain and simple: In my time following ND recruiting, a Wiltfong CB has gone from gold to meh.

I don't really care, because the kid is going to end up where he ends up, but I remember about 2 years ago when Wiltfong said someone was going to end up at ND, they usually did. It seems like now he changes his predictions a couple of times a week and it just doesn't really mean anything anymore. I'm not complaining about it, because I don't pay for 24/7. But yeah, as a casual observer of recruiting, a CB by Wiltfong means absolutely nothing now. It seems like 24/7 has devolved recently into being more clickbaity then they used to be.

Good post, I think ISD and Andrew are becoming or are more reliable these days in Intel, 247 tries to be first rather than right. I agree completely that Steve used to be the guy for ND recruiting if he put in a CB for us then 98% of the time it happened, lately I don't put much stock I into them
Unless the other sites are bullish on it

 

[tussin]

I would love to be a member on the ND 247 board, just for one post:

Why in the hell do you people pay money to get "inside info," when the actual info is either out-of-date or wrong?

How many times have we heard that 247 was "sitting on this information" for weeks or even months, but they don't deliver that information to the people that pay for that access?

What in the hell are you paying for, if it's not the inside scoop haha?

With the exception of ISD, most of the recruiting coverage provides nothing that's more juicy or insider-ish than what is posted on here. They are basically glorified retweeters.

Also agree on the bolded. That's my number one pet peeve in recruiting coverage. A kid commits to a school and some lame-ass 247 beat writer puts out a trash article claiming they were sitting on the info for weeks. First off, no you weren't. Second, what are we paying you for again?

 

[ThePiombino]

I don't really care what the excuses are or what the reason is, plain and simple: In my time following ND recruiting, a Wiltfong CB has gone from gold to meh.

I don't really care, because the kid is going to end up where he ends up, but I remember about 2 years ago when Wiltfong said someone was going to end up at ND, they usually did. It seems like now he changes his predictions a couple of times a week and it just doesn't really mean anything anymore. I'm not complaining about it, because I don't pay for 24/7. But yeah, as a casual observer of recruiting, a CB by Wiltfong means absolutely nothing now. It seems like 24/7 has devolved recently into being more clickbaity then they used to be.

This was prolly before he transitioned to a national analyst. He seems to have lost some of his ND edge since going from regional to national.

 

[Irish#1]

Just sheep

 

[brewdog_14527]

So, let me get this straight. This "national recruiting expert," who apparently can't get anything right anymore and his opinion is not respected on this board anymore, is so well respected enough in the national landscape by other recruiters that they will follow him blindly. So, to surmise, people who do this for a living believe what this guy says, but people who do other things and post on this board, know more about the recruiting situation of this player? Not saying that he will go to ND, but that does seem like a strange concept.

 

[Rizzophil]

Any notes on him from today?

 

[zelezo vlk]

ISD did mention in Intel that the staff expects Kaindoh to go back to campus with his parents, IF he does not commit soon.

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[Rizzophil]

ISD did mention in Intel that the staff expects Kaindoh to go back to campus with his parents, IF he does not commit soon.

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Thanks!

 

[koonja]

All I care about is that we finish a close second, and looks like we're in great position for that yet again.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Just saw this comment from someone on a Maryland site. Makes the most sense of anything I've seen thus far:

"I thought the message that I was hearing coming out of the sites pretty much lined up with what I was hearing which is why I have been openly bullish about our chances. A lot of the intel at the time that resulted in people publicly predicting him to come here was based on legitimate buzz from people at the high school and college level that he was going to commit to Maryland. It wasn’t some opinion based speculation behind the predictions. I think it’s a case of kid trying to build up suspense behind his decision. I agree there probably is nothing fishy here. I still think Maryland has a really really good chance here. You don’t visit a school 4 times in a week and then send your father to meet the head coach two weeks later to turn around and leave that school off your list for 2 schools that you haven’t visited within the last 5 months (hasn’t visited Michigan since November of last year and hasn’t visited OSU since June of last year)."

It cuts both ways. They are from Maryland. So it makes sense he would visit them a lot. As a consequence, he would know earlier if he wanted to go there or not.

And Testudo Times is not a reliable source of recruiting information. It would be like betting b-ball recruiting information from Irish Envy. Sometimes a specific fan might know something, but we are not tuned into basketball like we are to football. Terps fans (I am one of them), think of football as a hobby that is sometimes more pleasant than other times. Their new coach has gotten them excited, so they are enjoying football for a few minutes, before getting back to basketball. That's their passion.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

It cuts both ways. They are from Maryland. So it makes sense he would visit them a lot. As a consequence, he would know earlier if he wanted to go there or not.

And Testudo Times is not a reliable source of recruiting information. It would be like betting b-ball recruiting information from Irish Envy. Sometimes a specific fan might know something, but we are not tuned into basketball like we are to football. Terps fans (I am one of them), think of football as a hobby that is sometimes more pleasant than other times. Their new coach has gotten them excited, so they are enjoying football for a few minutes, before getting back to basketball. That's their passion.

I was under the impression that Kaindoh was down in Florida though. It just seemed odd that he would visit Maryland 4 times then send his dad to the school without him there. If the same thing happened with an ND recruit, then the recruit left us out of his Top 4 without any indication why, I would think something fishy was up.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I was under the impression that Kaindoh was down in Florida though. It just seemed odd that he would visit Maryland 4 times then send his dad to the school without him there. If the same thing happened with an ND recruit, then the recruit left us out of his Top 4 without any indication why, I would think something fishy was up.

If a kid from Indiana who was going to IMG visited us four times (during breaks), sent his parents to campus, and then came out with a top 4 of MSU, UM, OSU, and Penn State, I would think we were done. That's not to say I would be right!

However:
(1) I'm not sure how it helps Maryland in the short term for you to create negative new for them;

(2) It might create some excitement for your commitment from fans of other schools who follow recruiting this early (wow, we are in a Top 4!), but not much

(3) If he chooses UMD in the near future, I think he will have just ensured that fans from the four biggest programs in the NorthEast think he's a douche.

 

[woolybug25]

I mean... He's a five star.... and they're Maryland...

 

[longliveautrydenson]

If a kid from Indiana who was going to IMG visited us four times (during breaks), sent his parents to campus, and then came out with a top 4 of MSU, UM, OSU, and Penn State, I would think we were done. That's not to say I would be right!

However:
(1) I'm not sure how it helps Maryland in the short term for you to create negative new for them;

(2) It might create some excitement for your commitment from fans of other schools who follow recruiting this early (wow, we are in a Top 4!), but not much

(3) If he chooses UMD in the near future, I think he will have just ensured that fans from the four biggest programs in the NorthEast think he's a douche.

Lol yes agree with that analysis. If he's not Maryland's within a week then their fans should be panicking. If he does pick Maryland though, he'll have introduced a new wrinkle to the recruiting world, the fake Top 10. Let's hope that doesn't catch on.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I mean... He's a five star.... and they're Maryland...

 

[greyhammer90]

I mean... He's a five star.... and they're Maryland...

This is the biggest thing that swings it in our favor imo, and the main reason I feel slightly optimistic. If it's us versus Maryland, with everybody else outside looking in, Maryland doesn't have a single thing that realistically competes with us (minus being Dad's alma mater).

 

[BeauBenken]

This is the biggest thing that swings it in our favor imo, and the main reason I feel slightly optimistic. If it's us versus Maryland, with everybody else outside looking in, Maryland doesn't have a single thing that realistically competes with us (minus being Dad's alma mater).

To my understanding, it's not just Dad's alma mater, the family is from Maryland...meaning that despite him currently going to IMG, his home is back in Maryland.

 

[Luckylucci]

To my understanding, it's not just Dad's alma mater, the family is from Maryland...meaning that despite him currently going to IMG, his home is back in Maryland.

Yea, and DJ Durkin is making a lot of waves as the new HC, especially for defensive recruits. These kids will come in and be day 1 starters on a DJ Durkin defense for the next 3-4 years. Now, would that have me going to Maryland, no. However, for a kid from Baltimore, I believe, going back home to play for Durkin, isn't all that crazy to me. In fact, outside of selfishly wanting all good and qualified players at ND, I like seeing kids go to smaller schools with less notoriety to help build something.

 

[PANDFAN]

Yea, and DJ Durkin is making a lot of waves as the new HC, especially for defensive recruits. These kids will come in and be day 1 starters on a DJ Durkin defense for the next 3-4 years. Now, would that have me going to Maryland, no. However, for a kid from Baltimore, I believe, going back home to play for Durkin, isn't all that crazy to me. In fact, outside of selfishly wanting all good and qualified players at ND, I like seeing kids go to smaller schools with less notoriety to help build something.

also to piggy back this, they have a bunch of interest from high caliber players and have 3 4*s already committed which is NOT the norm

 

[greyhammer90]

Yea, and DJ Durkin is making a lot of waves as the new HC, especially for defensive recruits. These kids will come in and be day 1 starters on a DJ Durkin defense for the next 3-4 years. Now, would that have me going to Maryland, no. However, for a kid from Baltimore, I believe, going back home to play for Durkin, isn't all that crazy to me. In fact, outside of selfishly wanting all good and qualified players at ND, I like seeing kids go to smaller schools with less notoriety to help build something.

I mean if he doesn't go to ND, I wouldn't mind. Better than ending up on a team we might actually have to play.

 

[NDdomer2]

So, let me get this straight. This "national recruiting expert," who apparently can't get anything right anymore and his opinion is not respected on this board anymore, is so well respected enough in the national landscape by other recruiters that they will follow him blindly. So, to surmise, people who do this for a living believe what this guy says, but people who do other things and post on this board, know more about the recruiting situation of this player? Not saying that he will go to ND, but that does seem like a strange concept.

slightly off. the individuals who do not do recruiting for a living have been lead in two directions by said analysts.

His prediction was to ND but on the same day he wrote an article stating it still appears to be Maryland.

So, does anyone know anything? Methinks not.

 

[Irish#1]

New coaches always create a buzz for a while. "Help rebuild the glory". The key is being able to sustain it, which is usually difficult for schools that don't have a wining tradition in football. If you're a real stud, early playing time is there for you regardless of the program. As been mentioned, outside of the Maryland family ties, they can't offer anything near what ND can.

 

[Luckylucci]

New coaches always create a buzz for a while. "Help rebuild the glory". The key is being able to sustain it, which is usually difficult for schools that don't have a wining tradition in football. If you're a real stud, early playing time is there for you regardless of the program. As been mentioned, outside of the Maryland family ties, they can't offer anything near what ND can.

1. I don't think playing is the only reason. Just like with any decision, there are probably multiple factors in play here and that's probably one of many. I'll wait to pass judgment on if he's a real stud for later in life, lol.

2. I disagree, they have DJ Durkin who is becoming one of the top defensive minds in the country at this time. He's learned at top notch programs under some of the games best. He's been successful everywhere he's gone, with what his responsibilities were. He's also one of the best recruiters in the country. So, we can sit here all day and make Maryland seem like chop liver and that's fine., again, it wouldn't be my choice. However, there are a few good reasons he'd want to be there.

Fun Fact, Durkin was actually at ND as a graduate assistant under The Tyrone Willingham in 03' and 04'

 

[NDPhilly]

8 of his 16 247 predictions are for ND now. Crazy.

 

[GoIrish41]

1. I don't think playing is the only reason. Just like with any decision, there are probably multiple factors in play here and that's probably one of many. I'll wait to pass judgment on if he's a real stud for later in life, lol.

2. I disagree, they have DJ Durkin who is becoming one of the top defensive minds in the country at this time. He's learned at top notch programs under some of the games best. He's been successful everywhere he's gone, with what his responsibilities were. He's also one of the best recruiters in the country. So, we can sit here all day and make Maryland seem like chop liver and that's fine., again, it wouldn't be my choice. However, there are a few good reasons he'd want to be there.

Fun Fact, Durkin was actually at ND as a graduate assistant under The Tyrone Willingham in 03' and 04'

Must of where he learned his recruiting skills.

 

[greyhammer90]

Must of where he learned his recruiting skills.

No, but he got three strokes off his golf game.

 

[Luckylucci]

8 of his 16 247 predictions are for ND now. Crazy.

Right, I refuse to get excited and I'm certainly not expecting anything. However, if next week comes and goes and there is no new information. I'll be inclined to getting a little, little being the key word, more excited. Most are saying that if he's going to do this surprise Maryland pick, it will happen next week, specifically, the early part of the week.

 

[Irish#1]

1. I don't think playing is the only reason. Just like with any decision, there are probably multiple factors in play here and that's probably one of many. I'll wait to pass judgment on if he's a real stud for later in life, lol.

2. I disagree, they have DJ Durkin who is becoming one of the top defensive minds in the country at this time. He's learned at top notch programs under some of the games best. He's been successful everywhere he's gone, with what his responsibilities were. He's also one of the best recruiters in the country. So, we can sit here all day and make Maryland seem like chop liver and that's fine., again, it wouldn't be my choice. However, there are a few good reasons he'd want to be there.

Fun Fact, Durkin was actually at ND as a graduate assistant under The Tyrone Willingham in 03' and 04'

I'm not saying he won't build them up. My question is if he does it, can he sustain it? We see it all the time, a rise and a fall back to the norm. The top coaches have that fire in them where they are rarely satisfied and keep wanting more and more.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm not saying he won't build them up. My question is if he does it, can he sustain it? We see it all the time, a rise and a fall back to the norm. The top coaches have that fire in them where they are rarely satisfied and keep wanting more and more.

The conversation isn't whether you or I believe DJ Durkin will bring them to the promise land. Its whether DJ Durkin and his recent success, has relevancy in a kids decision making process. I'd say it could play a part.