Volkswagen Clean Diesel Scandal

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It's amazing to me that they didn't think this would be caught and that they didn't just do the work into putting in real tech that would have done the same thing on the up and up...
 
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T Town Tommy said:
Agree. GM committed the cardinal sin in auto manufacturing by knowingly having a safety critical issue and changed the design of the ignition switch. The problem was they didn't change the part number when the design changed. That is a major - and intentional - mistake on them. They tried to fix the issue internally without wanting to have a paper trail record of it. It was the internal email records that really caught them.

The issue with VW is a little different and I doubt it leads to arrests, prosecutions, etc. There will be a few sacrificial lambs offered up more than likely. Short and long term affects for VW? Short term they will feel the pain for sure. Long term they will probably be just fine. They are around the fifth largest auto manufacturer in the world with most of their sales outside the US. Much like Toyota and GM, they will recover from whatever fines, recall costs, etc., that they incur.
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5th Largest? VW passed Toyota earlier this year to become the world's largest automaker.
 
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I knew they were getting close but didn't know exactly where they were. That's pretty amazing since Toyota is pretty huge. Good for VW. They are going to need to sell a few cars to get out of this mess.
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
As an owner, I'm more concerned about what happens to my mpg and re-sale value. These cars boast 46mpg highway and I get every bit of that and more sometimes. But a legitimate concern is that whatever the recall entails, it'll change the performance drastically. Many people bought these cars with that in mind (and paid more for it).
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You take it in for the recall and your MPG is going to go down.
 
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phgreek said:
Yea...my first thought was someone should burn for this...then I thought about GM...people actually died from their BS.

It will be interesting to see what is done here...
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It's the Germans after all, someone will definitely burn.
 
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wizards8507 said:
Help me out, lawyers. Does this woman have standing? How was she harmed in any way, shape, or form?
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Not a lawyer, but I think it's pretty clear that ALL VW owners are going to suffer plummeting resale value, and most likely a significant drop in MPG, requiring more gas(money) to go where you expected to.
 
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kmoose said:
Not a lawyer, but I think it's pretty clear that ALL VW owners are going to suffer plummeting resale value, and most likely a significant drop in MPG, requiring more gas(money) to go where you expected to.
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Plus they sold her a bill of goods under false pretenses.
 
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I know it's a subsidiary, but if you're going to buy German, buy Audi. Every one I've ever driven has been excellent.
 
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ulukinatme said:
I know it's a subsidiary, but if you're going to buy German, buy Audi. Every one I've ever driven has been excellent.
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Audi cars with TDI engines are part of this same scandal. Audis are fantastic, but VW's problem isn't lack of performance - I mentioned earlier in this thread that I drove a Passat with a 1.8T engine and it drove great. Their problem is their TDI diesel engines don't pass emissions standards - the performance of the TDI engines are apparently also great (I have not driven one).
 
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phgreek said:
Anyone tested an Audi???
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I used to own one, pre-TDI engines. 5000 CS Turbo Quattro, great car. My grandpa has had a few A6s and an A8, those were fun. Fantastic cars. Ohio no longer does emissions testing though, and I don't know when he's taken one of his in prior to the ending of testing. I don't think he has one newer than '07 or '08 though. These started in '09, right?
 
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ulukinatme said:
I used to own one, pre-TDI engines. 5000 CS Turbo Quattro, great car. My grandpa has had a few A6s and an A8, those were fun. Fantastic cars. Ohio no longer does emissions testing though, and I don't know when he's taken one of his in prior to the ending of testing. I don't think he has one newer than '07 or '08 though. These started in '09, right?
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Sounds right...

'04 and '06 started seriously tougher restrictions, and '09ish went Batshitcrazy.
 
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I had a 2002 Jetta with the 200hp VR6, and that thing would haul ass. Didn't know or care about emissions then, but sold it do to the fear of expensive repairs closing in on 100k miles. No point to this really, nevermind.
 
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Volkswagen agrees to $14.7 billion settlement over emissions cheating - Jun. 28, 2016

Repurchasing the cars will cost VW between $12,500 to $44,000 per car. The $14.7 billion settlement estimate assumes that all the cars are repurchased.

Owners who elect to get their vehicles fixed will also get a cash payment of between $5,100 and $10,000 to compensate them for the lost value of the cars, as well as for Volkswagen's deceptive promise of "clean diesel." Most of the buyers paid extra for a car with a diesel engine.
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Wild Bill said:
You going with the buyback or the fix and cash?

The old lady loves the car but I think she's leaning toward the buyback.
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Sorry, man. I just saw this post.

I honestly don't know what I'm going to do yet. I got my official packet in the mail over the weekend. I love my car and haven't had any major problems with it. It's a 2010 and has 138k miles on it. Because of its value, I'll probably only qualify for the minimum restitution, which is $5,100. I don't know how to look up my Sept 2015 car value, but I'm assuming it's not over $10,000. So if I did a buy-back, I'm estimating that I'll have around $15k to put towards another car. (What car would/could I buy for $15 grand that is that much better than what I'm currently driving? Idk.) I don't want to go into debt and take on car payments. I also don't feel like spending any money I have saved up. So more than likely, I'll take the cash and keep the car (and save that money for a future car purchase). I'm not worried about resale because I plan on driving it into the ground. I'll probably be at 150k by Jan. If I make it to 300k miles, that'll put me at another 6 years ownership. I put a few hundred bucks into a mutual fund each month as a "car payment." Six years from now, I should be pushing around $50,000 in that fund and will be able to buy my next car and my wife's, debt-free. So that's my thinking at the moment...
 
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