Daughter wants to go to Notre Dame

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Not a bad idea, however I am not out too much anymore. Carpet walking supervisor now

Too bad. I know weather can change things in a heartbeat, but that's some pretty country down there. Too pretty to be stuck inside all day.
 

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I personally wouldn't advise making a decision based on a potential transfer. My sister didn't get into Notre Dame and she's much more able to enjoy and embrace Boston College now that she's decided she's 100% committed to the school rather than going through her first year or two planning on leaving.

Another caution on transferring is that specific programs have specific requirements above and beyond the university and department rules. My wife applied as a transfer from St. Mary's after her sophomore year. She was accepted, but the biology department was going to make her retake all of her core science courses. There's no way she would have been able to graduate in four years so she stuck with SMC.

Yeah that's why I said find a place she could also be happy. If that's SMC, great. If not, don't go.

To your second point, I had all of my courses approved by Transfer admissions and the Math department to make sure they would count.
 

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I have been an Admissions Volunteer for 25 years, a role which serves as a local contact foe students considering ND. Here are a few tips based in my observations. ND doesn't have hard and fast minimums for GPA or test scores, however most admitted students fall in the top 5% of their class, and are taking the most rigorous courses available at their school (Normally AP). Take both the SAT and ACT. Take the SAT several times, as ND will combine your highest scores in each section. ND also really only considers the traditional 1600, rather than 2400. Involvement and leadership in school/community activities is very important. By all means, visit Campus, though don't worry about an interview. Being a legacy helps in tie-breakers only. One letter of recommendation is sufficient, but ensure it's from someone who really knows your daughter. It's difficult for many girls to brag about their accomplishments. Tell her to be humble, but take credit for all she has done. There will be an opportunity in the essays to let them see who she is, and what is important to her. Take advantage of that. The number and quality of applicants is daunting. Based on what you've said about her, however, she is they type of student is looking for, and will certainly be competitive. If she is not accepted, but still wants ND, she should have a back up school with a similar freshman curriculum> That makes transferring in a bit easier. The transfer admissions process is somewhat different. While ND accepts a relatively small number of transfers, we've had several Alaskan kids enter as sophomores (And I'm keeping my fingers crossed for one great young lady who has applied this year).
 

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Also, ND financial aid meets 100% of established need. So once you've completed the FAFSA in January of her senior year, and the government tells you how much you can afford to contribute to her education :), ND puts together a package which covers the rest.
 

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I agree with much that has been said here. I also worked in the admissions office and would say that ND admissions can be very unpredictable, but she should shoot for around a 1450 to have a solid chance.

If she, or anyone else on this board for that matter, has any interest in talking to me, feel free to PM me as I would be happy to chat. I just graduated in May 2015 and loved my experience.

I also think that the ND undergrad experience is much better than most if not all Ivy league undergrad experiences, and would strongly encourage anyone with both options to seriously consider ND (I'm currently at an Ivy law school, have friends that went to Ivies for undergrad, so I do have some basis, albeit anecdotal, to base that statement off of).
 

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I also think that the ND undergrad experience is much better than most if not all Ivy league undergrad experiences, and would strongly encourage anyone with both options to seriously consider ND (I'm currently at an Ivy law school, have friends that went to Ivies for undergrad, so I do have some basis, albeit anecdotal, to base that statement off of).
My heart bleeds for your future loan payment.
 

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I agree with much that has been said here. I also worked in the admissions office and would say that ND admissions can be very unpredictable, but she should shoot for around a 1450 to have a solid chance.

If she, or anyone else on this board for that matter, has any interest in talking to me, feel free to PM me as I would be happy to chat. I just graduated in May 2015 and loved my experience.

I also think that the ND undergrad experience is much better than most if not all Ivy league undergrad experiences, and would strongly encourage anyone with both options to seriously consider ND (I'm currently at an Ivy law school, have friends that went to Ivies for undergrad, so I do have some basis, albeit anecdotal, to base that statement off of).

My best friends from high school and I still get together for an annual brocation. Three of us went to ND, and the other three went to various Ivies. For last year's trip, we planned our weekend around the ND v. UMass game. My Ivy League buddies were floored at how different the ND experience was from theirs; campus life, dorms, athletics, etc. It's really unique.
 

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My heart bleeds for your future loan payment.

Thankfully will only have around $150,000 after law school. Very fortunate, combination of great fin aid throughout school and a bit of familiar support.

Also, forgot to mention that if your daughter is really interested in ND, make sure she finds out who in the admissions office is responsible for your region. At the end of the day, its that person that will pretty much make the decision on your daughter. Having a good relationship with that person will go a long way (even more than knowing someone important at the University, for example).

Edit: I think this is the person responsible for your region- Shannon Kelly // Undergraduate Admissions // University of Notre Dame
 
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Thankfully will only have around $150,000 after law school. Very fortunate, combination of great fin aid throughout school and a bit of familiar support.
Please tell me that's a typo. That's more than my mortgage!
 

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Double Domer here, IMO she really just needs kill the SAT.

The median score for the incoming class of 2011 was ~1430. That's median and includes all athletes, which mostly skews the numbers down from the real general population of applicants.

They do aggregate the top of each section together, so have her retake it as many times as she needs to get there. You'd be surprised how big of a difficulty difference there can be between two tests and how that can influence your score. For instance on the math section I didn't answer one question and got the rest right my first test and got a 760... I missed two my second try and got an 800.

As for essays, in 2006 when I applied they asked for 2 300 word sections, "WHY ND?" and "HOW DO YOU DISPLAY LEADERSHIP?". I wrote about being at a campus with people with similar ambitions despite being diverse in their backgrounds and then about how I was the captain of my tennis team. I wouldn't mention football, basketball, soccer, etc. unless it's about their emphasis on intramurals and dorm activities.

I know someone that works in admissions. Definitely take a trip and do a meet and greet with someone in the department. They have told me that it does make a difference when making a close decision if they have met the person or see that they've shown genuine interest.

I just finished paying off my student loans this year, they are no joke. But good lord the alumni network is unreal, as is the name recognition.
 

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So much great advice here, I had a feeling the board would come through. I plan on sharing much of what I've learned here with her and her advisors. She has been singled out for the FBI leadership academy and for our county's sportsmanship symposium. She was the only female selected from our school for the one thing and only one regionally for the other. She volunteers a lot for youth basketball and has done community service as part of National Honor Society. I think she needs to do more though. It's tough with her work schedule saving to pay for her travel to Australia/New Zealand. Is it possible that would augment her chances? Paying her way to travel there and throughout Europe previously. Who would be a good person to ask for a recommendation letter? Just wondering what you guys think. I realize her life experience isn't the same as everyone's, but is it better to go with a coach, school administrator, teacher, employer, friend, pastor?
 

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Too bad. I know weather can change things in a heartbeat, but that's some pretty country down there. Too pretty to be stuck inside all day.

I get out as a promise at least 1-2 hours a day. I do love the scenery here. I own a nice 26 acre spot with a nice barn. It was tough to take the promotion, but I was ready for a change. Really, my wife is very pleased I'm not out as much now
 

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So much great advice here, I had a feeling the board would come through. I plan on sharing much of what I've learned here with her and her advisors. She has been singled out for the FBI leadership academy and for our county's sportsmanship symposium. She was the only female selected from our school for the one thing and only one regionally for the other. She volunteers a lot for youth basketball and has done community service as part of National Honor Society. I think she needs to do more though. It's tough with her work schedule saving to pay for her travel to Australia/New Zealand. Is it possible that would augment her chances? Paying her way to travel there and throughout Europe previously. Who would be a good person to ask for a recommendation letter? Just wondering what you guys think. I realize her life experience isn't the same as everyone's, but is it better to go with a coach, school administrator, teacher, employer, friend, pastor?

When I was applying years ago, they specifically said that teacher recommendations were the way to go, and the best situation was if they knew you both inside and outside of the classroom.
 

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I can tell you that if very few people have ever applied to ND from her school that will help a little bit. Being from rural upstate NY doesn't hurt either. They like geographic diversity.

Or diversity in general. I dated a girl whose friend got through admissions, my ex didn't. The girl I dated had a more impressive resume and better test scores, her friend was Latina. It wasn't spoken, but she alluded that they took her partly based on her heritage.

So...OP, when she submits her application, make sure your daughter emphasizes she's part Native American
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When I was applying years ago, they specifically said that teacher recommendations were the way to go, and the best situation was if they knew you both inside and outside of the classroom.

I think the best recommendations come from those who know you well outside the classroom. Variety is also good. If 3 recommendations are required, they should not all be teachers. IIRC, I used one teacher that was also my Debate coach, my priest, and an employer.
 
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