2016 Presidential Horse Race

[irishfan]

What legitimacy? Anyone likely to be swayed by a pompous blowhard is already supporting Trump.

I don't think it's going to attract any new voters per se right now. But I do think a standing Governor endorsing someone is a big deal. Especially when Trump's main detractors call him a joke or someone who only 30% of the Republican base is taking seriously.

 

[woolybug25]

The legitimacy may be questioned by some but the weight of the endorsement can't be denied.

I see what you did there...

 

[wizards8507]

I don't think it's going to attract any new voters per se right now. But I do think a standing Governor endorsing someone is a big deal. Especially when Trump's main detractors call him a joke or someone who only 30% of the Republican base is taking seriously.

Only 2% of Iowans and 7% of New Hampshire took Christie seriously.

I popped Rush Limbaugh in the earbud and there was a caller saying Rubio was out of line for going after Donald Trump on hiring illegal immigrants because he (the caller) is a business owner and he's the kind of guy who hires illegal immigrants so illegal immigrants are a good thing. This is from Mr. Build the Wall's supporters. The cognitive dissonance of these people is appalling.

 

[irishfan]

Only 2% of Iowans and 7% of New Hampshire took Christie seriously.

I popped Rush Limbaugh in the earbud and there was a caller saying Rubio was out of line for going after Donald Trump on hiring illegal immigrants because he (the caller) is a business owner and he's the kind of guy who hires illegal immigrants so illegal immigrants are a good thing. This is from Mr. Build the Wall's supporters. The cognitive dissonance of these people is appalling.

I could also say that only 7% of South Carolina and 3% of Nevada took Kasich seriously. And everyone remaining would kill for his endorsement if he dropped out. I don't think those numbers are an indication of whether or not an endorsement carries a lot of weight or not.

 

[IrishLax]

Only 2% of Iowans and 7% of New Hampshire took Christie seriously.

I popped Rush Limbaugh in the earbud and there was a caller saying Rubio was out of line for going after Donald Trump on hiring illegal immigrants because he (the caller) is a business owner and he's the kind of guy who hires illegal immigrants so illegal immigrants are a good thing. This is from Mr. Build the Wall's supporters. The cognitive dissonance of these people is appalling.

Yeah, the only time I've heard Trump speak was last night so maybe I don't have a full picture but holy crap I don't understand how stupid you have to be to think he anything he is saying is logically (or factually) consistent. He just blathers about nothing... and even while doing so ends up contradicting himself over and over.

Democracy sucks.

 

[Emcee77]

Slate's Jamelle Bouie just published an article titled "People Are Still Underestimating Donald Trump":

Great article, that's just what it is.

The podcast I linked above makes a similar point, though more obliquely. People seem to like Trump based on vague notions that he doesn't do the typical politician's song and dance, or "he's not politically correct."

Well, political correctness annoys me too sometimes, but is this really a basis for choosing a president? He doesn't care who he offends, so he can be president?

If that's what's passing for logic among Trump supporters, the traditional political attacks aren't going to work.

 

[NDohio]

Yeah, the only time I've heard Trump speak was last night so maybe I don't have a full picture but holy crap I don't understand how stupid you have to be to think he anything he is saying is logically (or factually) consistent. He just blathers about nothing... and even while doing so ends up contradicting himself over and over.

Democracy sucks.

Eight weeks ago - "The Mexican Government are the ones that are sending illegal immigrants to the US. They are sending us their rapists and murderers!"

Now - "The Mexican Government is going to pay for the wall!"


LOL

 

[wizards8507]

Trump rally live.

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[Whiskeyjack]

Yeah, the only time I've heard Trump speak was last night so maybe I don't have a full picture but holy crap I don't understand how stupid you have to be to think he anything he is saying is logically (or factually) consistent. He just blathers about nothing... and even while doing so ends up contradicting himself over and over.

Democracy sucks.

Posted this yesterday:

Here's a quote from an attendee at a recent Cruz rally:

Seems like a whole lot of Trump supporters are simply voting to burn the establishment down. No need for logical or factual consistency behind that sentiment.

 

[pkt77242]

Lindsey Graham jokes about murder of Ted Cruz - CNNPolitics.com

South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham thinks his party has gone "bats---" crazy, and joked Thursday that it's possible to get away with murdering Ted Cruz if it happened in the Senate.

"If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, and the trial was in the Senate, nobody would convict you," the former presidential candidate said at the Washington Press Club Foundation's 72nd Congressional Dinner, referencing the Texas senator's unpopular reputation on Capitol Hill.

 

[wizards8507]

Lindsey Graham jokes about murder of Ted Cruz - CNNPolitics.com

This is why I say "good" when people talk about Cruz not getting along with his colleagues and "bad" when Trump talks about his ability to make deals. These people are trash.

 

[wizards8507]

7 times Chris Christie suggested Donald Trump shouldn't be president - POLITICO

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Watched Trumps convention live.

I'm not sure if there has ever been a candidate as immature as him.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Lindsey Graham jokes about murder of Ted Cruz - CNNPolitics.com

I think that's great.

 

[Irish#1]

Gov Chris Christie just endorsed Trump for president at a PC in Texas carried by all the cablenews stations.

Christie wants to be VP since he can't be the prez.

 

[wizards8507]

Watched Trumps convention live.

I'm not sure if there has ever been a candidate as immature as him.

You mean like William Jefferson "BJ" Clinton? He's obviously a more disciplined politician than Trump, but his private behavior is at least as lewd.

The thing that continues to shock me is how many people are flocking to Trump. I had no doubts that the Trumpian sentiments and lack of logic existed in combination out there, I just can't believe how prevalent it is.

I think that's great.

Come on. These are elected officials. There needs to be some standard of conduct and decorum.

 

[pkt77242]

You mean like William Jefferson "BJ" Clinton? He's obviously a more disciplined politician than Trump, but his private behavior is at least as lewd.

The thing that continues to shock me is how many people are flocking to Trump. I had no doubts that the Trumpian sentiments and lack of logic existed in combination out there, I just can't believe how prevalent it is.


Come on. These are elected officials. There needs to be some standard of conduct and decorum.

I will just say that Trump's comments about his daughter are truly disturbing.
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[FightingIrishLover7]

I will just say that Trump's comments about his daughter are truly disturbing.
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What comments about his daughter?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

You mean like William Jefferson "BJ" Clinton? He's obviously a more disciplined politician than Trump, but his private behavior is at least as lewd.

The thing that continues to shock me is how many people are flocking to Trump. I had no doubts that the Trumpian sentiments and lack of logic existed in combination out there, I just can't believe how prevalent it is.


Come on. These are elected officials. There needs to be some standard of conduct and decorum.

I'm talking about maturity in front of the camera. Of course there have been plenty of candidates with skeletons in their closets.

Trump is just way too "loose". He goes up there and just shoots the shit, yells, basically just acting like a drunk fool at your local bar, that thinks they know everything.

I understand he's going for this non-PC platform, but I feel like a little humility once in a while wouldn't kill the man.

The Rubio water bottle skit he did today is embarrassing. How can anyone care so passionately for a man that's so clearly a narcissist?

 

[RDU Irish]

First Christie and soon the rest of the traditional politicians will be licking his boots as they acknowledge he is running away with the nomination. They are all opportunists and would support whoever was leading - bunch of spineless boot lickers. Can't wait for Trump to mock them all while they smile and nod in his shadow.

 

[Emcee77]

Kelly McParland: I watched the Republican debate, and wanted to cry | National Post

I don't know how I stumbled upon this, but it cracked me up.

You can sympathize with Cruz and Rubio. Whatever their flaws, they would likely greatly prefer to be discussing the policies and strategies they would employ as president, given the chance. Unfortunately it is all but impossible to do so with Trump in the room. He has nothing intelligent to say, has no real solutions to any major issues and doesn’t even try to answer questions with pertinent responses. He contradicts himself constantly, bloviates wildly and tosses out blatant inanities with unfettered abandon. Anyone who disagrees with him is a moron, a loser, a liar or a choke artist.

 

[RDU Irish]

Kelly McParland: I watched the Republican debate, and wanted to cry | National Post

I don't know how I stumbled upon this, but it cracked me up.

I disagree - they don't want to talk policy, they think they can create policy that wins people over, calculating which positions can deliver which demographics. The policy that sells fits on a bumper sticker, easy thumbs up or thumbs down type of stuff. People don't think twice about whether a flat tax is better than a fair tax, they just know they hate the IRS. As far as their true beliefs, I think they all sold those out long ago and they lack the ability to adapt. They pitch their plans and stump speeches so much they are married to them and it becomes a part of them.

Trump knows the details can be damned, he watched Obama get elected on zero substance. Just entertain and hog the spotlight and you will win the popularity contest. People love to hate him.

By people I mean the 98% of the population that can recite more Bachelor participants than Supreme Court justices.

 

[connor_in]

 

[Emcee77]

I disagree - they don't want to talk policy, they think they can create policy that wins people over, calculating which positions can deliver which demographics. The policy that sells fits on a bumper sticker, easy thumbs up or thumbs down type of stuff. People don't think twice about whether a flat tax is better than a fair tax, they just know they hate the IRS. As far as their true beliefs, I think they all sold those out long ago and they lack the ability to adapt. They pitch their plans and stump speeches so much they are married to them and it becomes a part of them.

Trump knows the details can be damned, he watched Obama get elected on zero substance. Just entertain and hog the spotlight and you will win the popularity contest. People love to hate him.

By people I mean the 98% of the population that can recite more Bachelor participants than Supreme Court justices.

Right, I agree with you, the author was being way too charitable to Rubio and Cruz with that first line. They know that a "debate" among presidential candidates is simply a performance, not truly a debate. But I think that was mostly beside the main point, which was about Trump.

 

[pkt77242]

What comments about his daughter?

The video has 4 or 5 times that Trump has said really inappropriate things about his daughter.

 

[connor_in]

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[wizards8507]

What comments about his daughter?

She has a fantastic body. The thing they have most in common is sex. If she wasn't his daughter, they'd be dating. He wants to PIIHB.

 

[irishfan]

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The whole video is way worse. Seems like it would be a normal candidates Howard Dean moment where people brand him as a nut, but nothing seems to hurt Trump.

 

[wizards8507]

Poll: Nearly 40 Percent of Florida Voters Think Ted Cruz Might Be the Zodiac Killer

What were we saying about competency tests to be able to vote?

 

[woolybug25]

Poll: Nearly 40 Percent of Florida Voters Think Ted Cruz Might Be the Zodiac Killer

What were we saying about competency tests to be able to vote?

Not to mention, most of the people probably didn't even know what they were asking. Look how they wrote that question. lol

Or not... the dude does seem like a serial killer...