'16 GA ATH Demetris Robertson (Georgia Transfer)

[EddytoNow]

First Harbaugh and now Shaw have made Stanford a very legitimate choice for someone wanting a combination of a first-class education and a top-end football program. Brian Kelly has done the same for Notre Dame. Looking from the outside, it appears Demetris wants to be able to compare the two before making his choice. If he has not yet visited Stanford, it is completely understandable that he would like to see it for himself before making his final choice. The hold-up seems to be his test scores. If his most recent test-taking session gives him the scores necessary to be accepted at Stanford, he needs to take that trip to Stanford so that he can compare it to Notre Dame. He will be making a life-changing decision in the next two to three weeks. He appears to be weighing his options carefully before deciding. Although we would love to have him at Notre Dame, we should be happy for him if he gets the test scores and decides on Stanford. With either choice, he will have an opportunity for a quality education and chance to prove himself a potential NFL player.

 

[Prof K]

You must have missed all the posts (including one by Wiltfong) where it was said even if he qualifies for Stanford, there is still a good shot he chooses ND.

He may simply want to be admitted to Stanford before turning them down. That certainly would give one some pleasure after Stanford doubted his academics.

 

[gkIrish]

You must have missed all the posts (including one by Wiltfong) where it was said even if he qualifies for Stanford, there is still a good shot he chooses ND.

Everyone, including me, needs to stop taking what reporters say at face value. Wiltfong has every incentive in the world to give ND fans hope because that generates more clicks. If his report was "if he gets into Stanford, he will choose Stanford" ND fans would pretty much give up if he is admitted to Stanford. But if he says "ND still has a good shot," ND fans stay interested.

 

[NDohio]

Everyone, including me, needs to stop taking what reporters say at face value. Wiltfong has every incentive in the world to give ND fans hope because that generates more clicks. If his report was "if he gets into Stanford, he will choose Stanford" ND fans would pretty much give up if he is admitted to Stanford. But if he says "ND still has a good shot," ND fans stay interested.

It's pretty disgusting isn't it?

 

[Booslum31]

I realize a smart coach is above this but IF he does come to ND, how do you not feel like the bridesmaid and not the bride on this one? You pull out all the stops, prostitute yourself to him and he STILL wants a school over you (one that he hasnt even seen) IF they will only take him. To me that is pretty crappy. I dont know if I was a coach how I couldnt ride his back forever knowing that. I mean, you better produce all of your 5 stars and more after that.

If I'm the "second choice" of a super hot chick...I'm OK with that and I'd ride that...Nevermind. This guy is an absolute game changer and we need to play along until the very end. Someone mentioned that that he might carry a chip on his shoulder when we faced Stanford each year and I believe that would be the case. Everyone (Coaches and players) forgets the crap that happened during recruiting once a guy is on campus and steps on the practice field. Let 'er play out!

 

[dales5050]

Everyone, including me, needs to stop taking what reporters say at face value. Wiltfong has every incentive in the world to give ND fans hope because that generates more clicks. If his report was "if he gets into Stanford, he will choose Stanford" ND fans would pretty much give up if he is admitted to Stanford. But if he says "ND still has a good shot," ND fans stay interested.

Agree.

I think there is a bubble on these recruiting sites. If it's not 6 months for the price of 1...it's pay the monthly for insider info that's not really insider or accurate.

 

[phork]

40 year decision. Kid is 18? I'd rather he think it out then sign and bolt.

 

[gkIrish]

Agree.

I think there is a bubble on these recruiting sites. If it's not 6 months for the price of 1...it's pay the monthly for insider info that's not really insider or accurate.

It's pretty disgusting isn't it?

Yeah I mean look at Loy's comments about Kelly. No one really thought we had a serious shot with him until he said what he said. Then we all got our hopes up and were clicking everything we could to see what else he knew.

I bet Loy never tells us what he knew about Kelly because he probably didn't know anything at all. That's the beauty of "sources" and not giving up the source. You can hide behind that bullshit when you fuck up.

 

[NDohio]

Yeah I mean look at Loy's comments about Kelly. No one really thought we had a serious shot with him until he said what he said. Then we all got our hopes up and were clicking everything we could to see what else he knew.

I bet Loy never tells us what he knew about Kelly because he probably didn't know anything at all. That's the beauty of "sources" and not giving up the source. You can hide behind that bullshit when you purposely dupe the fan base for clicks.

FIFY

 

[NDbrbkny]

40 year decision. Kid is 18? I'd rather he think it out then sign and bolt.

i know there were some who were waving that 40 year decision stuff in my friend's face who transferred out of this school a while back

 

[stlnd01]

Yeah I mean look at Loy's comments about Kelly. No one really thought we had a serious shot with him until he said what he said. Then we all got our hopes up and were clicking everything we could to see what else he knew.

I bet Loy never tells us what he knew about Kelly because he probably didn't know anything at all. That's the beauty of "sources" and not giving up the source. You can hide behind that bullshit when you fuck up.

Another way of looking at it: Anonymous sources can tell a reporter whatever they want b/c they're never going to be held responsible for it. You don't think coaches (and recruits/their camps) play these reporters all the time, for their own strategic reasons?
Wouldnt be at all surprised if that's what happened with Loy and Caleb Kelly.

 

[ryno 24]

I believe Loy was accurate with Kelly. He told us a week ago that Kelly was going to Oklahoma. You can buy into recruiting as much as you want to. But the only reason these guys have jobs is because people want the material. Buy into your sources as much as you want.

 

[Irish#1]

Do I sense a little bit of a Kelly hangover in this thread?

 

[ginman]

So when is signing day this year? Seems late.

 

[Luckylucci]

I believe Loy was accurate with Kelly. He told us a week ago that Kelly was going to Oklahoma. You can buy into recruiting as much as you want to. But the only reason these guys have jobs is because people want the material. Buy into your sources as much as you want.

I wouldn't agree, Loy was very boastful about his Kelly info, so much so that he defended getting his info first before Biggins from Scout posted his., now that looks real dumb. "Hey guys look at me look at me, I was first, with the wrong info." He even jokingly jabbed at Wiltfong quite a few times that he needed to catch up with where he was at. He's got some serious egg on his face for a few of these but he also wasn't the only one considering Biggins is regarded as the best on west coast by a lot of folks.

 

[IrishGlory]

I realize a smart coach is above this but IF he does come to ND, how do you not feel like the bridesmaid and not the bride on this one? You pull out all the stops, prostitute yourself to him and he STILL wants a school over you (one that he hasnt even seen) IF they will only take him. To me that is pretty crappy. I dont know if I was a coach how I couldnt ride his back forever knowing that. I mean, you better produce all of your 5 stars and more after that.

I'm pretty sure coaches do this to prospects all the time. They rate players on different scales and go after the bigger fish first. Why else would you have those last minute offers to fill spots late in recruiting classes? It's just the nature of the process... good or bad.

 

[MNIrishman]

Do we actually know whether he has been admitted to ND? I know we've been going hard in the paint here, but has it been confirmed that his scores are high enough for any of the high academic schools? Maybe it's not JUST Stanford he's gunning for.

 

[jason_h537]

Do we actually know whether he has been admitted to ND? I know we've been going hard in the paint here, but has it been confirmed that his scores are high enough for any of the high academic schools? Maybe it's not JUST Stanford he's gunning for.

Yes, this has been covered many times before. He is a very good student. But Stanfords admission standards are at another level.

 

[jason_h537]

Um, sorry, but yes they do.

No they don't. Reality is if a kid is really interested in getting a good education he can get that at any D1 school. Remember Myron Rolle? He became a Rhodes Scholar at Free Shoes University. Tell me how many Rhodes Scholars the ND football team has produced?

Yes ND and Stanford can guarantee your kid will get a great education. That is something not every school can do but they don't have a monopoly on good educations. You don't know her or the families situation. You just come off like a smug asshole.

 

[MNIrishman]

Yes, this has been covered many times before. He is a very good student. But Stanfords admission standards are at another level.

Sorry, I don't really feel bad about not combing through 2k replies to learn an answer someone else would already know because they have been following this more closely.

For what its worth, Stanford's average ACT for admitted students is 31-34, while ND's is 32-34. Stanford SAT was 1390-1580, while ND's was 1400-1530. I don't know that you can really say their standards are so much higher than ND's, but whatever.

 

[NDShark]

Sorry, I don't really feel bad about not combing through 2k replies to learn an answer someone else would already know because they have been following this more closely.

For what its worth, Stanford's average ACT for admitted students is 31-34, while ND's is 32-34. Stanford SAT was 1390-1580, while ND's was 1400-1530. I don't know that you can really say their standards are so much higher than ND's, but whatever.

Could be that athletes are held to a lower standard than regular students at ND than they are at Stanford. Another way of putting it is, at ND, the eval process may be: can this athlete meet the minimum requirements to get into the school? At Stanford, it may be, would we admit this person as a student?

 

[pkt77242]

Sorry, I don't really feel bad about not combing through 2k replies to learn an answer someone else would already know because they have been following this more closely.

For what its worth, Stanford's average ACT for admitted students is 31-34, while ND's is 32-34. Stanford SAT was 1390-1580, while ND's was 1400-1530. I don't know that you can really say their standards are so much higher than ND's, but whatever.

For athletes the admission standards are different. Stanford doesn't make exceptions for athletes (supposedly) and we know that ND does. I believe that we have had a few athletes get in with ACT scores around 20 which wouldn't happen at Stanford.

 

[MNIrishman]

For athletes the admission standards are different. Stanford doesn't make exceptions for athletes (supposedly) and we know that ND does. I believe that we have had a few athletes get in with ACT scores around 20 which wouldn't happen at Stanford.

Stanford admits they make exceptions for athletes.

The price of athletics at Stanford | Stanford Daily

 

[Prof K]

No they don't. Reality is if a kid is really interested in getting a good education he can get that at any D1 school. Remember Myron Rolle? He became a Rhodes Scholar at Free Shoes University. Tell me how many Rhodes Scholars the ND football team has produced?

Yes ND and Stanford can guarantee your kid will get a great education. That is something not every school can do but they don't have a monopoly on good educations. You don't know her or the families situation. You just come off like a smug asshole.

Not football players, but we have had them in consecutive years.

Notre Dame’s Emily Mediate named Rhodes Scholar // News // Notre Dame News // University of Notre Dame
Alex Coccia named Rhodes Scholar // News // Notre Dame News // University of Notre Dame

Stanford does have more total because prior to the 1970s Catholics were not welcome as Rhodes scholars, but since then, we have done quite well.

 

[Classic Irish]

No they don't. Reality is if a kid is really interested in getting a good education he can get that at any D1 school. Remember Myron Rolle? He became a Rhodes Scholar at Free Shoes University. Tell me how many Rhodes Scholars the ND football team has produced?

Yes ND and Stanford can guarantee your kid will get a great education. That is something not every school can do but they don't have a monopoly on good educations. You don't know her or the families situation. You just come off like a smug asshole.

Not going to rehash this nonsense again. Lax addressed this in the Caleb Kelly thread in a very articulate way. For the one millionth time, Myron Rolle was the exception that proves the rule and was offered automatic admission to FSU's med school as an enticement to sign. I never denied that you can't get a good education anywhere. But sorry, where you go to school matters. Fact: not all schools are the same. What you suggest implies that there's no difference between say Princeton and Middle Tennessee State. Pretty naive.

 

[Hammurabi's Chode]

Sorry, I don't really feel bad about not combing through 2k replies to learn an answer someone else would already know because they have been following this more closely.

For what its worth, Stanford's average ACT for admitted students is 31-34, while ND's is 32-34. Stanford SAT was 1390-1580, while ND's was 1400-1530. I don't know that you can really say their standards are so much higher than ND's, but whatever.

Stanford's undergraduate admission rate is 5.1% versus Notre Dame's at 19.8%, so you could say that.

 

[pkt77242]

Stanford admits they make exceptions for athletes.

The price of athletics at Stanford | Stanford Daily

Where is he getting the ACT/SAT scores from? Also he seems to be under the impression that Stanford spending money on sports is bad, so he might not exactly be a neutral figure on this. I have no doubt that being an athlete gives you a slight bump (just as money schools do for extracurricular activities such as being class president, a world class pianist, volunteer work, etc) but I don't think that they make the exceptions that ND does. For example look at Robertson, he is good to go for ND but Stanford didn't even visit him even though he says that Stanford is his favorite. That tells me that there is a gulf between ND and Stanford admissions.

ETA: We know that ND has higher standards than most schools but we are still lower in our standards for athletes than Stanford (not talking about regular students).

 

[IrishLax]

Stanford's undergraduate admission rate is 5.1% versus Notre Dame's at 19.8%, so you could say that.

Holy crap is this one of those mythical Stanford fans?

And yes, Stanford is FAR more selective than Notre Dame... they have a much larger applicant pool, especially among international students. Selectivity isn't always a direct measure of the caliber of student, for example USC is more "selective" than Notre Dame but has students with objectively worse academic profile. Same can be said for many Ivies... lower acceptance rate, worse ACT/SAT scores.

With regard to Stanford, I think it's fair to say it's both though, because while ND takes students with comparable test scores, that's only part of the picture.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

Stanford's undergraduate admission rate is 5.1% versus Notre Dame's at 19.8%, so you could say that.

Stanford fan. Mods get rid of it.

Edit: While we're at it can we kick out the lonely as f*** Bama and Michigan fans that are always creeping around the boards. There's plenty other places for them to talk about their respective teams. It's been obnoxious as hell seeing TomHaverford and T Town Tommy constantly pop up the last few months. I don't care if they're friendly, there's no reason for them to be on a message board for ND fans.

 

[gkIrish]

I can tell you from personal knowledge that the standards of Stanford women are much lower than Notre Dame women. Didn't even have to buy the Cardinal a drink.