MSU beating Iowa was very bad for ND

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Teomonsternd said:
Chicken little, Iowa didn't win a conference championship and they are ahead of OSU, same record. MSU would certainly have been ahead of OSU even if they lost; they beat them head to head ON THE ROAD. Losing an extra game in the conference championship game that the other team failed to qualify for would not have hurt MSU. All that matters is that MSU and OSU had identical records in the regular season, and MSU won the head to head matchup. If you can't see this, then you truly are the dip$hit we all know you are.
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IrishLax said:
lol... there were 34 seconds when ND finished running the previous play, ND was on UVA's 39. ND had a timeout in hand, chose not to use it. Ran down the clock some because of Smythe, conscious decision not to use a timeout.

So just to be clear... you're calling needing ~10 yards in 30+ seconds to be in very makeable field goal range a "miracle" similar to needing a bobble-snap-blocked-punt-fumble-return-TD-as-time-expires? If that's a miracle, what would you call Stanford needing 50ish yards to get in the same field goal range against us in 30 seconds? Impossible? Divine intervention?

ND ended up snapping the ball with about 19 seconds left, UVA sold out to stop the short pass and ND executed a pass over the top (like they had done previously in the game and would continue to do all year). That's routine football, not MIRACLE IN CHARLOTTESVILLE!!!
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Not the miracle that MSU was but if that ball doesn't hit Fuller there is 12 seconds on the clock to try and get 10 yards or try a 57 yard FG. (You do know that you add 17 yards to a kick, right?)
 
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IrishLax said:
lol... there were 34 seconds when ND finished running the previous play, ND was on UVA's 39. ND had a timeout in hand, chose not to use it. Ran down the clock some because of Smythe, conscious decision not to use a timeout.

So just to be clear... you're calling needing ~10 yards in 30+ seconds to be in very makeable field goal range a "miracle" similar to needing a bobble-snap-blocked-punt-fumble-return-TD-as-time-expires? If that's a miracle, what would you call Stanford needing 50ish yards to get in the same field goal range against us in 30 seconds? Impossible? Divine intervention?

ND ended up snapping the ball with about 19 seconds left, UVA sold out to stop the short pass and ND executed a pass over the top (like they had done previously in the game and would continue to do all year). That's routine football, not MIRACLE IN CHANCELLORSVILLE!!!
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Wasn't a miracle per se, but I was thinking a 40-45 yard FG was our best case scenario when the clock was ticking down and Smythe was limping off. We needed 10 yards in 2 plays to kick the FG. With our true frosh kicker who wasn't looking too good that day. Oh, and Kizer hadn't done anything in his earlier possessions.
 
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IrishLax said:
lol... there were 34 seconds when ND finished running the previous play, ND was on UVA's 39. ND had a timeout in hand, chose not to use it. Ran down the clock some because of Smythe, conscious decision not to use a timeout.

So just to be clear... you're calling needing ~10 yards in 30+ seconds to be in very makeable field goal range a "miracle" similar to needing a bobble-snap-blocked-punt-fumble-return-TD-as-time-expires? If that's a miracle, what would you call Stanford needing 50ish yards to get in the same field goal range against us in 30 seconds? Impossible? Divine intervention?

ND ended up snapping the ball with about 19 seconds left, UVA sold out to stop the short pass and ND executed a pass over the top (like they had done previously in the game and would continue to do all year). That's routine football, not MIRACLE IN CHANCELLORSVILLE!!!
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Not to tick you off but playing devil's advocate...with an unproven unplayed second string QB who was a very poor third QB in the spring with very limited practice reps who just came in earlier in the game due to injury
 
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phork said:
Not the miracle that MSU was but if that ball doesn't hit Fuller there is 12 seconds on the clock to try and get 10 yards or try a 57 yard FG. (You do know that you add 17 yards to a kick, right?)
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See, I don't see how this is a fair way to look at it. You're having to hypothetical towards ND failing to get to a point where the outcome is unlikely to be positive for ND (and even then, still very feasible as you can run 2 plays in that amount of time with a timeout).

At 43 seconds, ND had the ball 1st and 10 at the UVA 40 with a timeout in hand, needing any kind of score to win. At that point, it was far more probable than not that ND is going to win the game. Whether ND won it with a field goal or with a bomb to Fuller is really irrelevant... ND was never staring at the 0.1% chance of a MSU (or even the ~1% chance of a typical hail mary)... without looking at the graph, ND was probably looking at a 60-65%ish chance of victory at that point.

Then, despite more bad luck and losing some precious seconds to Smythe hobbling off the field, they still executed and won. I just don't see how people consider that a miracle or a fluke but clearly some people feel that way.
 
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Really sucks MSU passing Ok and getting the 3rd spot. I really think OK is the only team in the playoff who would beat Bama. Problem is, they match up not so well with Clemson. Bama will beat MSU and then I think take Clemson. OK could have beaten Bama.

Sucks because I have to then hear it from everyone in my office yet again.

Someone please knock Bama off!!!!
 
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Getting a little chippy in here! lol

Back to Lax's original statement. I'm not sure MSU beating Iowa is going to hurt us very much in recruiting. It may cost us a kid or two, but overall IMO MSU isn't looked at as an elite or flashy program like others (ND, Bama, FSU, etc.). We can still sell some advantages, like playing on national TV every week, playing high profile teams every year and out uni's are much better. Sparty is the sack lunch at your desk. ND is lunch at a restaurant.
 
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phork said:
Uh yah right. We were on our second string QB, on the 40 yard line. A 57 Yard FG is hard for the most seasoned FG kicker to make let a lone a freshman. And we scored with 12 seconds left... Thats as close to desperate as you can get.
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How about scoring with 0 seconds left...twice?
 
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IrishJayhawk said:
Wow. I didn't see that in real time. That's egregious.
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I'm surprised it didn't get any more attention. It would be one thing if he was on the other side of the field. But that's the guy who can make the play. MSU got real lucky on that one.
 
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phgreek said:
ooooo...he WAS tackled, and it mattered to the outcome of the play, and the game. Refs stinkin it up.
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eh, that's just not a call your ever going to make, the contact was clearly legal at first and it's tough to see if he ever grabs. That was a hard nosed football play, and Sparty's RB fought through 2 tacklers for the win. T
 
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IrishinSyria said:
eh, that's just not a call your ever going to make, the contact was clearly legal at first and it's tough to see if he ever grabs. That was a hard nosed football play, and Sparty's RB fought through 2 tacklers for the win. T
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Umm, no. Watch the Linebackers arms. He goes to wrap up and then they fly down after he gets wrapped up by the offensive lineman. A lineman tackling a linebacker is a holding call every single time it happens. Except that one. The hard nosed run narrative becomes the amazing goal line stand if the ref gets it right.
 
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IrishJayhawk said:
Man. That one hurts more now. Jewell (#43) was all over the field that night.
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Wow! I didn't notice that either in real time. If I was an Iowa fan, I'd be pisssssssed.

43 was actually in a position to pull him down or at least hold him as the reinforcements arrived but he got tackled. Crazy.
 
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IrishLax said:
First of all, MSU is in the playoffs. Which gives them a selling point over the other 3 Midwest powers. We're in a tight race for a number of very good prospects with MSU, and we used to blow them away in recruiting.

Second of all, if MSU loses that game we get to play them and their fraud of a team. We likely handle them. Much easier matchup for us with their terrible, boring, vanilla offense.

Third of all, it sends Ohio State to the Rose Bowl, where a win or a loss against Stanford is net neutral... whereas Stanford destroying #5 (I can't even say that with a straight face) Iowa also hurts us in recruiting.

Basically, Iowa and MSU might as well have conspired to give us the worst post-season situation imaginable. I will be rooting for Bama, and rooting hard.
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Does Lax stand for lacrosse or laxative? Cause your spewing a lot of something outta your mouth right now.

1. Stanford winning bowl game hurt us in recruiting. Sure, but Standford beating us head to head hurts us a lot more. So no matter what happens in the bowl games they will always have that on us. Too late to make up ground in that aspect on the feild, gonna have to do it on the phone lines and in home visits.

2. Mich St. I don't think is competing with us for major prospects other than Hayes, who according to many has already made up his mind. But who knows with how his recruiting has been. As it stands MSU isn't even top 25 composite in recruiting with only a handful (4) four stars.

3. OSU matchup gives us the biggest risk/reward outcome. Yea, they are the only team capable of blowing us out. But beating them makes a statement both in the media and with recruiting. Its going to be the most anticipated matchup outside of the playoff games. We are already doing pretty well recruiting Ohio against Meyer so a win can go even further in giving us the edge against them.

I understand there are some tough matchups. I like our book ends tackles to limit the impact of Bosa, but I do worry about Adolphus Washington disrupting the middle against our interior oline. Urban is one of the best game managers but Kelly has done pretty good himself. Last year against LSU he prepared us better than most optimistic hopes and out coached an LSU favored by 8.5 (more than OSU is this year) and not to mention even with the bad wrap Les gets he was 6-3 in bowl games at LSU at that point. I think OSU might be able to shut down our run, but no one (even clemson) has been really able to stop our passing all year long.

Plus, F*ck Urban. Beating him would be the most satisfying possibility outside of a title. I want a win against him and who knows how much longer we will have the opportunity to really hand it to him. As you can see with him bowing down to Ezekiel the players are already running that program, remember how is Florida Empire fell? Only a matter of time before he runs that program into the ground as well.
 
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