R.I.P Scott Weiland

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Very sad news! Cannot say we did not see it coming.

He played at Edison HS in Huntington Beach. They were the Chargers. We were in the Sunset League with them and for those that remember that is where ND LB Rick DiBernardo went as well.

I saw Velvet Revolver twice in concert here in Orange County. Scott used to do a lot of covers like old Doors stuff that were phenomenal.
 

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It always bothered me that people would joke about sTp being a bad knock-off of Pearl Jam. Vedder and Co. are great, but sTp was better.

If you exclude Plush from STP's catalog, there wouldn't have been those direct comparisons but that song is similar to PJ's stuff off Ten, musically and in vocal style. I don't see it as a fault though, Ten was out a year before Core and the whole Seattle scene was at critical mass when STP was recording. That being said, the majority of their music sounds closer to AIC or the Pumpkins early stuff. STP's Sex Type Thing could have come right off of the Pumpkin's Gish. On the flipside, PJ used Brendan O'Brien for their follow up no doubt because they like what they heard from his work on Core. So the influences went back and forth.

And it's really not even close in my eyes. Pearl Jam has 2 of my favorite songs of all-time with Black and Yellow Ledbetter, and Vedder is great, but it was always Mike McCready on the guitar that made that band for me. As far as front man and showman, Weiland was the best. He was the epitome of rock star in my eyes growing up and only a couple of others were on the same level, at least for me, from my youth. Just really sucks to lose a piece of my childhood.

Weiland was a rock star. He had an old school, front man quality without being a goofy David Lee Roth knockoff. The Seattle scene created the anti-rock star, Weiland and STP were definitely more LA. It would have been interesting to see how they would have developed in a vacuum because they will always be lumped in as part of the "Grunge" era.

In response to your PJ comments... Musically, Gossard and Ament are the cake, McCready's is the frosting. Those two might be the most underrated duo in rock history. Had Andrew Wood not died, Mother Love Bone would have been the next big thing.

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Big fan of Stone Temple Pilots. My buddy from high school produced their first 5 albums. Sure he's bummed out today after hearing this news.

Thank him personally for me for Vs. and Vitalogy. Vs. saved my life.
 

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If you exclude Plush from STP's catalog, there wouldn't have been those direct comparisons but that song is similar to PJ's stuff off Ten, musically and in vocal style. I don't see it as a fault though, Ten was out a year before Core and the whole Seattle scene was at critical mass when STP was recording. That being said, the majority of their music sounds closer to AIC or the Pumpkins early stuff. STP's Sex Type Thing could have come right off of the Pumpkin's Gish. On the flipside, PJ used Brendan O'Brien for their follow up no doubt because they like what they heard from his work on Core. So the influences went back and forth.



Weiland was a rock star. He had an old school, front man quality without being a goofy David Lee Roth knockoff. The Seattle scene created the anti-rock star, Weiland and STP were definitely more LA. It would have been interesting to see how they would have developed in a vacuum because they will always be lumped in as part of the "Grunge" era.

In response to your PJ comments... Musically, Gossard and Ament are the cake, McCready's is the frosting. Those two might be the most underrated duo in rock history. Had Andrew Wood not died, Mother Love Bone would have been the next big thing.

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That's the freaking truth. Cloe' Dancer is an all time jam.
 

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I don't see much similarity between PJ and STP or even the Pumpkins. All three were great bands and offered their own unique qualities. RIP Scott.
 

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I don't see much similarity between PJ and STP or even the Pumpkins. All three were great bands and offered their own unique qualities. RIP Scott.

Me neither, Scott was far more baritone than Eddie, and PJ seemed a lot more fast-paced, hit you in the face-style, while STP was more melodic and entrancing. Both kind of went more commercial after their 1994 releases though, so I guess there's that.
 

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"Tripping on a hole.." and "Lady Picture Show" are my favorites but I remember when they first released Plush, loved it and have followed them ever since. Sad to hear of Scott's demise. Thank you and RIP!
 

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damn this sucks, have an old (high quality thru the mixer) bootleg somewhere with him and Robby Krieger from the Doors doing Break on Through and When the Music's Over and some other Doors tunes, will have to dust it off and have more than a couple Jamesons in memory of this kick ass frontman, ND lovin rock and roller.

RIP!
 
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Scott Weiland's Family: 'Don't Glorify This Tragedy' | Rolling Stone

Mary Forsberg Weiland is the mother of the late singer Scott Weiland's teenage children, Noah, 15, and Lucy, 13. She wrote this with their help in the days after his death on Dec 3rd.

December 3rd, 2015 is not the day Scott Weiland died. It is the official day the public will use to mourn him, and it was the last day he could be propped up in front of a microphone for the financial benefit or enjoyment of others. The outpouring of condolences and prayers offered to our children, Noah and Lucy, has been overwhelming, appreciated and even comforting. But the truth is, like so many other kids, they lost their father years ago. What they truly lost on December 3rd was hope.

We don't want to downplay Scott's amazing talent, presence or his ability to light up any stage with brilliant electricity. So many people have been gracious enough to praise his gift. The music is here to stay. But at some point, someone needs to step up and point out that yes, this will happen again – because as a society we almost encourage it. We read awful show reviews, watch videos of artists falling down, unable to recall their lyrics streaming on a teleprompter just a few feet away. And then we click "add to cart" because what actually belongs in a hospital is now considered art.

Many of these artists have children. Children with tears in their eyes, experiencing panic because their cries go unheard. You might ask, "How were we to know? We read that he loved spending time with his children and that he'd been drug-free for years!" In reality, what you didn't want to acknowledge was a paranoid man who couldn't remember his own lyrics and who was only photographed with his children a handful of times in 15 years of fatherhood. I've always wanted to share more than anyone was comfortable with. When writing a book years ago, it pained me to sometimes gloss over so much grief and struggle, but I did what I thought was best for Noah and Lucy. I knew they would one day see and feel everything that I'd been trying to shield them from, and that they'd eventually be brave enough to say, "That mess was our father. We loved him, but a deep-rooted mix of love and disappointment made up the majority of our relationship with him."

Even after Scott and I split up, I spent countless hours trying to calm his paranoid fits, pushing him into the shower and filling him with coffee, just so that I could drop him into the audience at Noah's talent show, or Lucy's musical. Those short encounters were my attempts at giving the kids a feeling of normalcy with their dad. But anything longer would often turn into something scary and uncomfortable for them. Spending so many years immersed in Scott's multiple illnesses led to my own depression; at one point, I was misdiagnosed as bipolar. I feared the same would happen to the children. There were times that Child Protective Services did not allow him to to be alone with them.

When Scott did move on to another relationship, I hoped it would inspire him to grow. I had often encouraged him to date a "normal" girl, a woman who was also a mother, someone who had the energy that I no longer had to love him. Instead, when he remarried, the children were replaced. They were not invited to his wedding; child support checks often never arrived. Our once sweet Catholic boy refused to watch the kids participate in Christmas Eve plays because he was now an atheist. They have never set foot into his house, and they can't remember the last time they saw him on a Father's Day. I don't share this with you to cast judgment, I do so because you most likely know at least one child in the same shoes. If you do, please acknowledge them and their experience. Offer to accompany them to the father-daughter dance, or teach them to throw a football. Even the bravest girl or boy will refrain from asking for something like that; they may be ashamed, or not want to inconvenience you. Just offer – or even insist if you have to.

This is the final step in our long goodbye to Scott. Even though I felt we had no other choice, maybe we never should have let him go. Or maybe these last few years of separation were his parting gift to us – the only way he could think to soften what he knew would one day crush us deep into our souls. Over the last few years, I could hear his sadness and confusion when he'd call me late into the night, often crying about his inability to separate himself from negative people and bad choices. I won't say he can rest now, or that he's in a better place. He belongs with his children barbecuing in the backyard and waiting for a Notre Dame game to come on. We are angry and sad about this loss, but we are most devastated that he chose to give up.

Noah and Lucy never sought perfection from their dad. They just kept hoping for a little effort. If you're a parent not giving your best effort, all anyone asks is that you try just a little harder and don't give up. Progress, not perfection, is what your children are praying for. Our hope for Scott has died, but there is still hope for others. Let's choose to make this the first time we don't glorify this tragedy with talk of rock and roll and the demons that, by the way, don't have to come with it. Skip the depressing T-shirt with 1967-2015 on it – use the money to take a kid to a ballgame or out for ice cream.
 

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Very nice of her to make a final parting shot at her dead husband. What exactly was that letter supposed to prove? She said her and her children still loved him, but then proceeded to completely trash him.

Let the dead rest, lady. The entire letter reads like a spiteful ex spitting on a grave. No one has misconceptions on the demons that Weiland had, so this letter doesn't do anything for me except think of her as a mean spirited, spiteful wench.
 

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Very nice of her to make a final parting shot at her dead husband. What exactly was that letter supposed to prove? She said her and her children still loved him, but then proceeded to completely trash him.

Let the dead rest, lady. The entire letter reads like a spiteful ex spitting on a grave. No one has misconceptions on the demons that Weiland had, so this letter doesn't do anything for me except think of her as a mean spirited, spiteful wench.

I think it kind of has to do with the normal routine with dying artists. People praise them after they die and they are once again as popular as they once were at their highest part of their careers because they only died.

To me, what she is trying to say is that don't praise him like everyone did with Michael Jackson (obviously not as famous as MJ) but go and help the world by doing something good for it, not grieving for him and his family because he was really a POS.
 

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I think it kind of has to do with the normal routine with dying artists. People praise them after they die and they are once again as popular as they once were at their highest part of their careers because they only died.

To me, what she is trying to say is that don't praise him like everyone did with Michael Jackson (obviously not as famous as MJ) but go and help the world by doing something good for it, not grieving for him and his family because he was really a POS.

Not once does she ask for anyone to do anything but dislike Weiland. She doesn't ask people to go do something good, she simply puts him on blast and thanks everyone that sent well wishes to her and her kids. The very same well wishes that would have never came unless her ex husband was Weiland. It was a spiteful, hateful and resentful piece of writing that had no purpose other than to attack her ex husband after his death.

She certainly wasn't screaming from the rooftops when he was alive.
 

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Not once does she ask for anyone to do anything but dislike Weiland.

I don't share this with you to cast judgment, I do so because you most likely know at least one child in the same shoes. If you do, please acknowledge them and their experience. Offer to accompany them to the father-daughter dance, or teach them to throw a football. Even the bravest girl or boy will refrain from asking for something like that; they may be ashamed, or not want to inconvenience you. Just offer – or even insist if you have to.

Skip the depressing T-shirt with 1967-2015 on it – use the money to take a kid to a ballgame or out for ice cream.
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Doesn't change my sentiment.


What? Did you guys like Weiland before his death because you thought he was a good guy? Did you think a heroin and cocaine addict was a good father? So this letter is enlightening to you and helps you shape your opinion? Sheesh.
 
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Doesn't change my sentiment.

What? Did you guys like Weiland before his death because you thought he was a good guy? Did you think a heroin and cocaine addict was a good father? So this letter is enlightening to you and helps you shape your opinion? Sheesh.

Nah didn't know him so I had no idea if he was a good guy or not and I never said her letter changed my opinion. You asked what her letter was trying to prove so I simply gave my opinion. You seem heart-broken about his death so I will let you grieve.
 
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Nah didn't know him so I had no idea if he was a good guy or not and I never said her letter changed by opinion. You asked what her letter what trying to prove so I simply gave my opinion. You seem heart-broken about his death so I will let you grieve.

Thanks for the passive aggressive slight, but I have the same right to opinion on the letter as you. All I said was that you can save the "she just wants people to treat others better" bs, because you don't know anything about the lady. What we do know is that on the tail of his death, she wrote a scathing character assassination for public consumption. You can believe that it was for non self-serving reasons, but I have the right to think you are naive for doing so.
 

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Doesn't change my sentiment.


What? Did you guys like Weiland before his death because you thought he was a good guy? Did you think a heroin and cocaine addict was a good father? So this letter is enlightening to you and helps you shape your opinion? Sheesh.

I didn't ask it to change your sentiment. You said something that was factually inaccurate. Your original post read like a Weilland fan who read the first paragraph of the letter and got pissed.
 

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To me, outside of the kid issue, is the broader scope of don't hero worship the guy. All too often we romanticize things like this. Guy is a great artist, guy is a junky, guys career starts toiletting guy is found dead in some manner. Seem familiar? Morrison, Hendrix, Cobain, Staley. All of those guys in turn gained immense noteriety from their deaths. None of them were heroes and frankly to use that word in the same sentence as those people is dishonorable and disrespectful for real heroes.
 

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Let's choose to make this the first time we don't glorify this tragedy with talk of rock and roll and the demons that, by the way, don't have to come with it.

I remember listening to Shangri-La Dee Da for the first time (particularly Wonderful) and thinking that Weiland might have finally gotten his life on track. Not coincidentally, it's one of my least favorite sTp albums. I joked that once a musician gets rich, marries a super model and has kids, he loses touch with the pain that allowed him to write great music.

That's why I found value in it, wooly. We consume the product, often the result of much human suffering, without reflection. And when the destructive behavior that fueled that suffering leads the artist to an untimely and lonely death, we valorize him. I don't think there's anything wrong with asking Weiland's fans to engage in a little self-reflection here.
 

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I remember listening to Shangri-La Dee Da for the first time (particularly Wonderful) and thinking that Weiland might have finally gotten his life on track. Not coincidentally, it's one of my least favorite sTp albums. I joked that once a musician gets rich, marries a super model and has kids, he loses touch with the pain that allowed him to write great music.

That's why I found value in it, wooly. We consume the product, often the result of much human suffering, without reflection. And when the destructive behavior that fueled that suffering leads the artist to an untimely and lonely death, we valorize him. I don't think there's anything wrong with asking Weiland's fans to engage in a little self-reflection here.

I guess my point is this... Did anyone ever actually try to claim he was a good guy? I certainly didn't. What I do acknowledge is that he was an amazing musician and that is all I have seen anyone "glorify". So I find a scathing attack letter on his character by an ex wife as nothing but a final shot across the bow to the man that caused her so much pain. It's entirely self serving and nobody is going to go change the world now because they found out a addict rock star was a bad dad.
 
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