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Did you evaluate the fact that TCU is a 6 loss team without Boykin and Dotson or couldn't you get that far Mr. Long?
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They are using the "eye test" and stats where it fits their narrative, fairly obvious.
If Oklahoma passes the eye test, then the eye test should also tell you that TCU is not top 25 without Boykin and Doctson, plus Baylor is not #7 in the country either. Take away those "big" wins and Oklahoma's resume is not very appealing.
If Oklahoma passes the eye test, then the eye test should also tell you that TCU is not top 25 without Boykin and Doctson, plus Baylor is not #7 in the country either. Take away those "big" wins and Oklahoma's resume is not very appealing.
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See Koonja's response. I wouldn't have a problem with the committee evaluating the Oklahoma TCU game the way they did ...... IF TCU was at full strength. You can't give Oklahoma credit for a Top 25 Win and somehow dismiss the fact that TCU was playing without Boykin and Doctson but use Mayfield's absence as an excuse for the close ending.
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Basically, win against Stanford and we're a coinflip to get into the playoffs. Which I think was starting to look clear as of two weeks ago.
Basically, win against Stanford and we're a coinflip to get into the playoffs. Which I think was starting to look clear as of two weeks ago.
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Exactly.
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Yea, there are a lot of factors to consider (e.g. TCU's injuries) and I don't disagree with the point you and Koon have made. I just think it's fair for the committee to consider the circumstances of a game (e.g. starting QB doesn't play in the 2nd half). It's a similar situation to our UVA game.
I also agree with the sentiment the committee is making shit up as they go. There's not much consistency. I made that point in a post last night.
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Honestly, I think Long would be better served by staying quiet. Without that ridiculous comment, the explanation would be quite simple for why Michigan St. and Oklahoma passed us: they both won big games. We beat a team with three wins.
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If the committee is creating drama, who's it for? They have no allegiance and make no money for doing this. So either that's just an excuse for the fans who get left out, or they have a deal with ESPN, which means they should all be fired and kicked out of CFB in all capacities.
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Grahambo
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Plot twist to the plot twist: The committee was penetrated by organized crime who are really in cahoots with the Nazis who are secretly fighting for independence from King George.
ab2cmiller
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You forgot references to 9/11 and JFK's assassination.
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Damn it. There goes my career as a fiction author.
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I still wonder if the rankings would have been different had all members of the committee been present and cast their vote...
NDWorld247
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They were only missing on member, right?
I want to know what was going on with the multiple "re-vote" requests. That whole system seems shady as fuck...
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He equated Iowa to a world without technology, stuck in the dark ages, because they will never task a risk. Basically went after their pitiful schedule.
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Exactly. That one person could have swayed the room a little to one side if there.
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So you're saying it could've been worse.
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The good news is I'm pretty sure that if ND gets left out of the CFP this year, it WILL spark serious discussion about expanding the playoff pool. Sucks we have to be the sacrificial lambs, but could pay dividends sooner than later.
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I imagine the committee sits around and looks at espn.com to see the final scores come in, glances at some advanced stats and resumes, then develops a narrative. Any close calls, they chalk it up to the eye test and game control while winking and chortling at each other.
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Bogtrotter07
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I still say that this week's results were entirely self serving for the committee.
Think about it. Moving up two B1GOT teams slingshots a B1GOT team into the playoff.
Also, moving OU up now ends the Big12 conversation(s) totally. If things stand long term, and wins and losses fit the current ranking, the committee has snuffed the controversy early, and made themselves look good for a second year; if not, then they can remove the Big 12 without generating any controversy.
This last week's poll results were a win-win for the committee (only)!
If anything I don't think the question is did one member missing, skew the polls, but was one member missing cover for the committee skewing the polls so wildly?
Think about it. Moving up two B1GOT teams slingshots a B1GOT team into the playoff.
Also, moving OU up now ends the Big12 conversation(s) totally. If things stand long term, and wins and losses fit the current ranking, the committee has snuffed the controversy early, and made themselves look good for a second year; if not, then they can remove the Big 12 without generating any controversy.
This last week's poll results were a win-win for the committee (only)!
If anything I don't think the question is did one member missing, skew the polls, but was one member missing cover for the committee skewing the polls so wildly?
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Committee chair Jeff Long says that it was "razor thin" between teams 3 thru 6 for this week's selection. So a "solid" winning performance by ND could vault them ahead of OU if the Sooners win in a "struggling" manner. Obviously, ND must win and let things happen accordingly.
For ND's resume, it's POSSIBLE for their schedule to end up with (5) teams that end up as Conf. Champs or runner-up:
AAC Navy vs. Temple (won against both)
PAC-12 Standford vs U$C (won against both w/ a win on Sat.)
ACC Clemson (close loss in a monsoon on the road)
Soooo, there are some valid arguing points IF the Irish pull one off this Sat. night. Got to keep the faith! Go Irish!
For ND's resume, it's POSSIBLE for their schedule to end up with (5) teams that end up as Conf. Champs or runner-up:
AAC Navy vs. Temple (won against both)
PAC-12 Standford vs U$C (won against both w/ a win on Sat.)
ACC Clemson (close loss in a monsoon on the road)
Soooo, there are some valid arguing points IF the Irish pull one off this Sat. night. Got to keep the faith! Go Irish!
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stomp Stanford + little luck
said the above earlier plus we have a mutual team win vs an OK loss.
comes down the eye test this week when it comes to OK, and potential of some chaos with other teams.
unfortunately the way we've been playing of late makes it hard to stay optimistic and keep the faith...
The whole rankings before the season is complete is ridiculous and a waste of time. It doesn't matter. Imagine how ridiculous the march madness brackets would be if they started showing the bracket in February. At most, it should be a pre-conference title game ranking and a final one. Anything more and the committee is just screwing around for sh1ts and giggles.
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Think this is both simple and well illustrates what garbage it is that the Big Ten teams are where they are.
Think this is both simple and well illustrates what garbage it is that the Big Ten teams are where they are.
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I had it D, C, A, B. That would put it as:
3. ND
4. MSU
5. OK
6. Iowa
Iowa's collective schedule is such a joke.
3. ND
4. MSU
5. OK
6. Iowa
Iowa's collective schedule is such a joke.
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What frustrates me is all we likely had to do was grab 20+ points out of all those turnovers and we're at worst in 4th.
You can't turn the ball over like that and let BC come storming back this late in the season when you know this committee has the memory of a bunch of goldfish.
We can't control the committee but we should have controlled the turnovers.
You can't turn the ball over like that and let BC come storming back this late in the season when you know this committee has the memory of a bunch of goldfish.
We can't control the committee but we should have controlled the turnovers.
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I understand exactly Wildman; but, I don't think anything would have mattered, at this point (in my thinking.)
I think this is all theater. A game by the committee to make them look like they can pick the winner. The hot hand at the end of the season has a ticket.
If OU doesn't perform they can drop like a rock.
If Iowa loses they will drop like a rock.
If MSU loses the can also drop.