College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)

[Woneone]

LSU got smoked by us. And got smoked by a team we smoked. And got smoked by the team that beat us by five points. And Bama has played and beaten more teams in pretty much every matrix for SOS that one wants to look at. The last one posted out here that I saw that had ND ranked high showed Bama 7-1 in games against the top 40 for that matrix. They are also 7-1 in the FPI against top 25 teams I believe. Currently, every team on their schedule has a winning record I believe except UL-Monroe. I don't want to hear about Bama's strength of schedule as compared to anyone else's... including Notre Dame and OU.

7-1 vs Top 25 - The old self-fulfilling prophecy. If you have 12 teams ranked in the top 25 to start the year (only 4 if I counted correctly in the playoff), then it's not much of a stretch to get to that number I guess.

And are you looking at "against" the current FPI top 25? If so, that's a misnomer as well. I mean, WVU is 21, with Arkansas ranked 22nd. COrrect me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's a predictive model going forward, not a current strength of schedule tool.

And yea, Charlston Southern is 9-2. But that counts I guess.

Here is an SoS matrix that seems to be relevant for anybody but Bama. How are you compared to the current playoff committee Top 25?

EDIT: Just to be clear, Bama is definitely 2. I just hate how they do this.

 

[KPENN]

Three straight top ten wins because the conference played NO ONE ALL YEAR UNTIL THEY PLAYED EACH OTHER THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
If they mixed up their schedules a bit they might not have any top ten wins.
When you play has just as much to do with who you play.

It's not 3 straight top 10 wins, stop listening to the sh!t he's spewing.

I KNOW AT THE TIME OF THE GAME. NO THEY AREN'T. GO LOOK AT THE F*CKIN SCHEDULE.

Oklahoma state is #11 right now. TCU was #18 when they played. Go look. If you are gonna spew shit get it right. If ND beats Stanford this weekend then they are tied.

Here i'll link it for you.

Oklahoma 2015 Schedule - Sooners Home and Away - ESPN

#6 Baylor
#18 TCU
#11 Oklahoma State.

 

[Guest]

Three straight top ten wins because the conference played NO ONE ALL YEAR UNTIL THEY PLAYED EACH OTHER THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
If they mixed up their schedules a bit they might not have any top ten wins.
When you play has just as much to do with who you play.

Bingo. That is what I have been saying all year. The ranking system is rigged bullshit.

Just expand the playoffs and SETTLE IT ON THE FUCKING FIELD, ALREADY.

Otherwise, it's all just bullshit fodder.

 

[Booslum31]

Our fan bases are not friends and have no reason to be, nor do most of us care for the SEC or Alabama. Just wanted to make that clear.

Easy on T Town, he's a class act and good contributor to our board. i think he knows that many of us have a strong dislike for the SEC.

 

[IrishHokie22]

I of course wish we had covered in both the WF and especially the BC game. If the committee really cares more about wins against "good teams," the bigger problem is that we beat BC, not how we beat them. It's not as though OU dominated TCU.

We aren't going to go undefeated very often. We aren't going to cover in every win. The solution is simple: 8 team playoff.

I'm pretty sure the committee has said that they use the eye test. If you use the eye test, objectively, it's hard to make a case for ND right now to be ahead of Oklahoma. Covering vs non covering the spread isn't really the issue. The issue is that ND looked mediocre vs Wake and flat-out awful vs BC. It's a "what have you done for me lately" world, and lately, ND hasn't done much. I firmly believe that ND would still be in comfortably had they blown out Wake/BC, as we were all shocked when ND debuted at 4 in the initial rankings. The committee was clearly impressed at that point, and it's clear now that they've cooled off. We brought that on ourselves.

I also prefer an 8 team playoff to 4, but extending it to 8 just means drama over who is 8th and who is 9th.

 

[GATTACA!]

Oklahoma shouldn't be ahead of us Iowa or MSU. Oklahoma has by far the worst loss of anyone involved.

Nothing we can do about it now except take care of Stanford. I think a convincing win puts us in the conversation. We need either an OU loss or an Iowa/MSU double loss.

 

[Cackalacky]

Our fan bases are not friends and have no reason to be, nor do most of us care for the SEC or Alabama. Just wanted to make that clear.

Relax on TTT please.

 

[NDRock]

LSU got smoked by us. And got smoked by a team we smoked. And got smoked by the team that beat us by five points. And Bama has played and beaten more teams in pretty much every matrix for SOS that one wants to look at. The last one posted out here that I saw that had ND ranked high showed Bama 7-1 in games against the top 40 for that matrix. They are also 7-1 in the FPI against top 25 teams I believe. Currently, every team on their schedule has a winning record I believe except UL-Monroe. I don't want to hear about Bama's strength of schedule as compared to anyone else's... including Notre Dame and OU.

Then you might be at the wrong place. Try this place, don't think they are talking about ND much there.

Activity Stream - TideFans.com

 

[Guest]

Easy on T Town, he's a class act and good contributor to our board. i think he knows that many of us have a strong dislike for the SEC.

He is probably the classiest SEC poster I have ever come across. But his role here is to gain acceptance for the bullshit SEC and particularly Alabama put out every year to rig the system in their favor. I'll never accept him or his motives, even though he's cool overall.

Because see, I'm smart like that ;-)

edit: and oh by the way, I attended Texas A&M for undergrad and I still think the SEC conference is overrated year in and out.

 

[Guest]

Relax on TTT please.

I didn't comment on him, just the relationship. And I am allowed to do that. Complain all you want. Also see my post above.

 

[NCND]

Guys ND sh*t the bed against a 3 win team. Enough said. Pound Stanford and they have a chance to get in.

I'm happy with 10 wins this season. No matter what we are going to a New Years six bowl.


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+1.

 

[dang227]

I'm pretty sure the committee has said that they use the eye test. If you use the eye test, objectively, it's hard to make a case for ND right now to be ahead of Oklahoma. Covering vs non covering the spread isn't really the issue. The issue is that ND looked mediocre vs Wake and flat-out awful vs BC. It's a "what have you done for me lately" world, and lately, ND hasn't done much. I firmly believe that ND would still be in comfortably had they blown out Wake/BC, as we were all shocked when ND debuted at 4 in the initial rankings. The committee was clearly impressed at that point, and it's clear now that they've cooled off. We brought that on ourselves.



I also prefer an 8 team playoff to 4, but extending it to 8 just means drama over who is 8th and who is 9th.

Oklahoma looked like shat in the second half vs TCU. What the hell kind of eye test are they using?


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[philipm31]

It's not 3 straight top 10 wins, stop listening to the sh!t he's spewing.

The point is that OU has more TOP TEN victories at the time of the game than ND does, or will.

The fact that ND is #6 is proof that ND's schedule is not strong enough. Beating Temple and Navy is not impressive. It is the reality of being an independent. You HAVE TO be undefeated just to get into the conversation, which is what ND was in 2012, and they still took crap for how they ended the season as the lone unbeaten in the nation.

OU's schedule is just stronger, overall.

Their best Wins are far superior to ND's. Hell, MSU's are.

We should be happy to be in the Top 6, honestly, because both WF and BC should have been 20+ wins. BOTH of them. The BC "win" was a classic pyrrhic victory.

 

[KPENN]

The point is that OU has more TOP TEN victories at the time of the game than ND does, or will.

Yet again you are wrong, capping certain words isn't making you right. If ND beats Stanford they will each have one TOP TEN win, but hey, keep going.

 

[IrishLax]

That's a bit much IMO. If we didn't play like assholes (your words, and I agree with the sentiment) Saturday, then things would be looking different.

Don't you dare try to reason with me.

Tell you what... team is either going to fold against Stanford, or they are going to smack the hell out of the Cardinal. I was relatively sure we were going to lose, and now I'm fully expecting Joe Schmidt to have like 5 sacks and break both of McCaffrey's legs with just his gumption.

 

[IrishHokie22]

Oklahoma looked like shat in the second half vs TCU. What the hell kind of eye test are they using?


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TCU is a top 20 team. BC has one win over a FBS school this season.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Oklahoma looked like shat in the second half vs TCU. What the hell kind of eye test are they using?


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"Their starting QB was out the second half."

Ours has been out all season, and TCU's was out all game.

 

[gkIrish]

"Their starting QB was out the second half."

Ours has been out all season, and TCU's was out all game.

Difference is their QB is coming back and ours never was.

 

[greyhammer90]

"And then we told them the top four was solid!"

 

[eNDzone]

The point is that OU has more TOP TEN victories at the time of the game than ND does, or will.

The fact that ND is #6 is proof that ND's schedule is not strong enough. Beating Temple and Navy is not impressive. It is the reality of being an independent. You HAVE TO be undefeated just to get into the conversation, which is what ND was in 2012, and they still took crap for how they ended the season as the lone unbeaten in the nation.

OU's schedule is just stronger, overall.

Their best Wins are far superior to ND's. Hell, MSU's are.

We should be happy to be in the Top 6, honestly, because both WF and BC should have been 20+ wins. BOTH of them. The BC "win" was a classic pyrrhic victory.

OU lost to a crappy Texas team that ND stomped and we did beat WF by 20+

 

[IrishSteelhead]

This is the long overdue question:

Would you rather?

-Beat Iowa in the Fiesta Bowl and finish 12-1

Or

-get hate pounded by Bama in a playoff game and finish 11-2

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Msu played Purdue, in East Lansing, and only won by 3.

How is that not worse than winning by 3 essentially on the road against the #1 defense in the country?

Or was that purdue game too many weeks ago, and the committee forgot about it?

 

[KPENN]

This is the long overdue question:

Would you rather?

-Beat Iowa in the Fiesta Bowl and finish 12-1

Or

-get hate pounded by Bama in a playoff game and finish 11-2

Obviously #1 but there's no guarantee ND even plays Bama.

 

[KPENN]

Msu played Purdue, in East Lansing, and only won by 3.

How is that not worse than winning by 3 essentially on the road against the #1 defense in the country?

Or was that purdue game too many weeks ago, and the committee forgot about it?

And struggled with Rutgers.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Or was that purdue game too many weeks ago, and the committee forgot about it?

Too long ago. The OU loss to UT was also too long ago to carry any weight.

 

[Guest]

This is the long overdue question:

Would you rather?

-Beat Iowa in the Fiesta Bowl and finish 12-1

Or

-get hate pounded by Bama in a playoff game and finish 11-2

Either way, though prefer Alabama. I always want to play the best even if it gets ugly and Alabama is clearly better than Iowa at this point. I think we are closer to Alabama than 2012 though I would like to have the chance to play them with a fully healthy roster, assuming that is ever possible with this team by year's end.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

I said Saturday that Iowa and OK would jump us, and wouldn't be surprised if MSU did too.

The issue is we looked like crap offensively and defensively once again. Actually we are lucky to be 6 on how we have played. We barely beat Virginia, we looked like crap against BC, we lost another 2 starters, didn't look great against Pitt, didn't look great against Wake.

We are not a top 4 team. Maybe with Zaire, Folston, Jones, Russell, Crawford. But, not as we are right now. I love this team and school. But, sometimes we have to take our shamrock colored glasses and truly see what we are. A top 10 team, not a top 4.

For us to have a remote chance in heck to get into the top 4, we will have to dominate Stanford and show that Kizer isn't regressing, we can actually run the ball without our best RB, and we actually can stop people on D. OK will have to lose, and MSU is really going to have to look bad.

A lot to have happen.

 

[Guest]

I said Saturday that Iowa and OK would jump us, and wouldn't be surprised if MSU did too.

The issue is we looked like crap offensively and defensively once again. Actually we are lucky to be 6 on how we have played. We barely beat Virginia, we looked like crap against BC, we lost another 2 starters, didn't look great against Pitt, didn't look great against Wake.

We are not a top 4 team. Maybe with Zaire, Folston, Jones, Russell, Crawford. But, not as we are right now. I love this team and school. But, sometimes we have to take our shamrock colored glasses and truly see what we are. A top 10 team, not a top 4.

For us to have a remote chance in heck to get into the top 4, we will have to dominate Stanford and show that Kizer isn't regressing, we can actually run the ball without our best RB, and we actually can stop people on D. OK will have to lose, and MSU is really going to have to look bad.

A lot to have happen.

Agree, good post.

 

[Legacy]

Bama is solid with me for #1 or #2. No question. The SEC has arguably fallen apart and Bama shouldn't have a problem winning out. I guess this is my eye test vs best wins or loss comparison. Exchanging differing viewpoints is always productive and can build respect -- and may lead to side bets.

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[ND4LIFE]

If business was handled against Wake and BC the Irish would be in the Top 4! ND will have to win and play strong against the Trees to have a chance. I am impressed regardless that this team can continue to persevere through multiple injuries. Good season and should be a great bowl even if it isn't against the top 3! Go Irish!!!