2016 Presidential Horse Race

[pumpdog20]

An observation on your posting behavior maybe. Yes. One I concur with. A personal attack? No.

Probably why you don't consider it a personal attack.

 

[kmoose]

No way....how does a lying compilation tit for tat video marginalize the fact the Ben Carson is a lunatic?

1. It doesn't marginalize anything about Carson. It was never intended to. It was intended to point out that the frontrunner in your preferred party has a problem with reality as well, if she believes that she had to run to a car under sniper fire, in that video.

2. Carson has never been diagnosed with a mental illness, to my knowledge. You think he is "a lunatic", and that's really the crux of the matter. Anyone who disagrees with that view of yours elicits responses like this...

This is incredible...

How about if we all stop being so dismissive of others' opinions? Deal?

 

[Wild Bill]

Again you are incorrect. Its been a pattern of yours this week. I understand Pham sent you a PM about this? Yes? I don't care about neg reps. Its only my third one ever lol. So I am not spiteful about that. I hold posters who intentionally mischaracterize my posts and other posts as trolling. So... let's knock that off yes?

I knew there was a glitch with my neg rep icon.

 

[Cackalacky]

Seemed relevant to me. Yes it is bad for YOUR discussion that is demonizing Carson - wait you don't believe in demons but hopefully you get the point. Seems to me your are disingenuously trying to throw all Republicans/possibly all Christians under the bus for the beliefs of one fringe element.

If left to choose between Carson and HRC, this comparison of bad science versus flat out lying to the public for personal gain seems very relevant. Both are negative marks - but which one is relevant to what they can actually do as POTUS? At the end of the day, do you want to revoke all human rights for someone that does not subscribe to your view on evolution and creation of the universe? 99% of people really don't give a shit because they are at least smart enough to know those issues have zero impact on what happens tomorrow.

Man, I don't know how much I could be any clearer. I have only posted about Carson and his special brand of lunatic Creationism specifically his Seventh Day Adventist-based dogma. I have not said anything about other Christians or Catholics or any other religion. There are other christian groups that do share this interpretation but I am not talking about them.

And it does not make anything I have posted factually incorrect. He has said these things. Its on video. Its in the videos I linked to. Its in the articles I posted.

And yes it is a big deal to me. It should be a big deal to others but I know its not. I hold my presidential candidate to a very high standard. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I don't need to. I post stuff so people can read it and check it out. If you want to rationalize how a grown person running for the most highest office in the world can believe dinosaurs and humans coexisted then fine, that is your perogative. But if you defend Carson just because he believes it...I am not gonna hold that obviously biased opinion with much regard. That is my perogative. And its not just his beiefs. Him and his Creationist buddies are undermining STEM curricula all over the country by way f political force. I am very much against that. That is a big deal since we need STEM curricula to do everything we need to do now.

Obviously people are having a hard time rationalizing his positions here. So I won't post any more about him. Its obviously causing some people cognitive discomfort.

 

[Booslum31]

Hillary Clinton keeps smearing Bernie Sanders as a sexist: Now she is reaching for the race card.

Wow!

 

[gkIrish]

1. It doesn't marginalize anything about Carson. It was never intended to. It was intended to point out that the frontrunner in your preferred party has a problem with reality as well, if she believes that she had to run to a car under sniper fire, in that video.

2. Carson has never been diagnosed with a mental illness, to my knowledge. You think he is "a lunatic", and that's really the crux of the matter. Anyone who disagrees with that view of yours elicits responses like this...

How about if we all stop being so dismissive of others' opinions? Deal?

See when someone says "I don't have a preferred party" and then you continue to claim they have a preferred party because well, that's what you think and their statements be damned, you are doing what you've been asked not to do.

 

[Cackalacky]

1. It doesn't marginalize anything about Carson. It was never intended to. It was intended to point out that the frontrunner in your preferred party has a problem with reality as well, if she believes that she had to run to a car under sniper fire, in that video.

2. Carson has never been diagnosed with a mental illness, to my knowledge. You think he is "a lunatic", and that's really the crux of the matter. Anyone who disagrees with that view of yours elicits responses like this...




How about if we all stop being so dismissive of others' opinions? Deal?

Right. Just what I was saying. You had no intention of adding to that conversation. Just smearing some other candidate. And for the third time today, she is not my preferred candidate and the Dems are not my preferred party. I don't have a party or one that encompasses me as a voter.

 

[kmoose]

See when someone says "I don't have a preferred party" and then you continue to claim they have a preferred party because well, that's what you think and their statements be damned, you are doing what you've been asked not to do.

2nd.... I am anti GOP in the sense that their policies are no policies at all. They are hypocrites on family values and religion and the economics... the thrust of their policy "initiatives".
3rd... I am not a registered Dem nor do I vote exclusively for Dems.

I suppose it was pretty dumb of me to take away that a guy who, in his own words, is "anti GOP" prefers the Dems. I did not say he was a registered Democrat. But it seems pretty clear that it is reasonable to assume, based on his own words, that he prefers the Dems.

 

[gkIrish]

I suppose it was pretty dumb of me to take away that a guy who, in his own words, is "anti GOP" prefers the Dems. I did not say he was a registered Democrat. But it seems pretty clear that it is reasonable to assume, based on his own words, that he prefers the Dems.

Ok so, hypothetically, if I think you are dumbass and call you a dumbass and you say "I'm not a dumbass and here's why" and then I continue to call you a dumbass, would you say that's cool?

You claimed Cack was a Democract, he explains that he doesn't prefer either party and that he is anti establishment politics, and you ignore him and claim his preferred party is the democrats. He said he was "anti GOP in the sense that.... but you zone in on "anti-GOP" and mischaracterize him.

Hence, the problem.

 

[ACamp1900]

I told ulk I preferred women, and that he should stop with his pointless advances... but he didn't listen either...

 

[wizards8507]

Ok so, hypothetically, if I think you are dumbass and call you a dumbass and you say "I'm not a dumbass and here's why" and then I continue to call you a dumbass, would you say that's cool?

You claimed Cack was a Democract, he explains that he doesn't prefer either party and that he is anti establishment politics, and you ignore him and claim his preferred party is the democrats.

Hence, the problem.

But we have a two-party political system. It's binary. If you said "I really really hate winter" and then I assume that means you like summer, then you get all pissed off, which one of us is out of line.

 

[gkIrish]

But we have a two-party political system. It's binary. If you said "I really really hate winter" and then I assume that means you like summer, then you get all pissed off, which one of us is out of line.

I hate Republicans and Democrats equally. If in this particular election I hate a Democrat (re: Hillary Sucks) more than all the other candidates of either party combined, I may focus my energy on bashing her. That doesn't mean I am generally a Republican. And if someone claims I'm a Republican because I hate Hillary, and I explain that I hate the candidate, not the party, but that person continues to dismiss my opinions because they say I hate Democrats, that's not engaging in debate or being fair.

 

[GoIrish41]

But we have a two-party political system. It's binary. If you said "I really really hate winter" and then I assume that means you like summer, then you get all pissed off, which one of us is out of line.

I like Fall.

There are two prominent parties who both work hard to attract Independents every election. They are an incredibly important part of the political landscape -- which is not at all binary. One can dislike Democrats and also not be a Republican.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rubio-chat-beers-malala-article-1.2423708

Rubio wants to have a beer with 18 year old Malala.

 

[wizards8507]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rubio-chat-beers-malala-article-1.2423708

Rubio wants to have a beer with 18 year old Malala.

Try harder. Honestly, idiots like this are what's wrong with the country. Obviously the point of the question was "who would you love to meet and have a casual conversation with," not literally "who do you want to consume alcohol with."

 

[Cackalacky]

But we have a two-party political system. It's binary. If you said "I really really hate winter" and then I assume that means you like summer, then you get all pissed off, which one of us is out of line.

Nope. Politics is not binary. It i snot stagnant and it is constantly changing. I don't like either establishment "party" does not mean I have to vote or adhere or abide by either of their platforms. I can thusly say I don't like either and mean it as I intended. Plus in your analogy there are four seasons right?

 

[Cackalacky]

I can't believe with all these smart people we have to make these distinctions. SO much wasted effort.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Try harder.

I didn't get that he was bashing Rubio (maybe I'm wrong). But it's a chuckle moment.

 

[wizards8507]

Nope. Politics is not binary. It i snot stagnant and it is constantly changing. I don't like either establishment "party" does not mean I have to vote or adhere or abide by either of their platforms. I can thusly say I don't like either and mean it as I intended. Plus in your analogy there are four seasons right?

No, politics is not binary. But a presidential election in the United States in 2016 is.

1 - Vote for the Republican candidate
0 - Vote for the Democrat candidate
Null - Do not vote

Binary.

I didn't get that he was bashing Rubio (maybe I'm wrong). But it's a chuckle moment.

I'm speaking more to whomever wrote the article, not Ultimate Penn St. Hater.

 

[GoIrish41]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rubio-chat-beers-malala-article-1.2423708

Rubio wants to have a beer with 18 year old Malala.

Does he have a fake ID? lol

 

[kmoose]

Ok so, hypothetically, if I think you are dumbass and call you a dumbass and you say "I'm not a dumbass and here's why" and then I continue to call you a dumbass, would you say that's cool?

You claimed Cack was a Democract, he explains that he doesn't prefer either party and that he is anti establishment politics, and you ignore him and claim his preferred party is the democrats. He said he was "anti GOP in the sense that.... but you zone in on "anti-GOP" and mischaracterize him.

Hence, the problem.

No. The problem is that I compared Democrats, their views and behaviors, to Carson's, as an example of it is hypocritical to continually characterize Carson as "a lunatic", and yet not characterize others who think and act the same in the same manner. And now it is has turned into a debate about me calling Cack a Democrat? I'm sorry I called you a Democrat, Cack. Now I am going to ask you to follow your own preachings, and stop referring to Ben Carson as a lunatic? There's no evidence he is being treated for a mental illness, a point I brought up once before.

 

[Cackalacky]

No, politics is not binary. But a presidential election in the United States in 2016 is.

1 - Vote for the Republican candidate
0 - Vote for the Democrat candidate
Null - Do not vote

Binary.


I'm speaking more to whomever wrote the article, not Ultimate Penn St. Hater.

I honestly wonder if you even really believe the stuff you post.

2016 Presidential Candidates (Presidency 2016)

I can vote for 3rd party and independents. Further I can vote for Bernie who is a socialist even though he is running on the Dem ticket. I can vote for a theocrat like Huckabee even though he is running on the Republican ticket.

 

[Cackalacky]

No. The problem is that I compared Democrats, their views and behaviors, to Carson's, as an example of it is hypocritical to continually characterize Carson as "a lunatic", and yet not characterize others who think and act the same in the same manner. And now it is has turned into a debate about me calling Cack a Democrat? I'm sorry I called you a Democrat, Cack. Now I am going to ask you to follow your own preachings, and stop referring to Ben Carson as a lunatic? There's no evidence he is being treated for a mental illness, a point I brought up once before.

But they are not acting in any way similar to Carson. The fact the HRC is a sociopath has nothing to do with my posts on Carson and his detached reality. The fact you continue to keep on with this is the problem. IT IS ALL about you not reading posts, mischaracterizing them in order to make what ever point you are trying to make and pursuing it with vigor.

Carson's lunacy has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH HRC or my political affiliation!!!!!!

So now you want to play semantics with words too...lol. Fine.. Carson is a lunatic in this sense which is now only used informally.

extreme folly or eccentricity.
plural noun: lunacies
"such an economic policy would be sheer lunacy"
synonyms: folly, foolishness, stupidity, silliness, idiocy, madness, recklessness, foolhardiness, imprudence, irresponsibility; informal craziness
"the lunacy of gambling"

 

[RDU Irish]

Ok so, hypothetically, if I think you are dumbass and call you a dumbass and you say "I'm not a dumbass and here's why" and then I continue to call you a dumbass, would you say that's cool?

You claimed Cack was a Democract, he explains that he doesn't prefer either party and that he is anti establishment politics, and you ignore him and claim his preferred party is the democrats. He said he was "anti GOP in the sense that.... but you zone in on "anti-GOP" and mischaracterize him.

Hence, the problem.

I can see how people would equate calling someone a dumbass with being called a Democrat. It is a pretty offensive term to be sure.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I didn't get that he was bashing Rubio (maybe I'm wrong). But it's a chuckle moment.

I just thought it was funny that he blurted out Malala.

 

[wizards8507]

I honestly wonder if you even really believe the stuff you post.

2016 Presidential Candidates (Presidency 2016)

I can vote for 3rd party and independents. Further I can vote for Bernie who is a socialist even though he is running on the Dem ticket. I can vote for a theocrat like Huckabee even though he is running on the Republican ticket.

Dear Baby Jesus in heaven are you this nit-picky with your wife? She must love it.

Yes, you CAN write-in J.R.R. Tolkien for your presidential vote. There's also an infantesimal but calculable chance that, when you flip a coin, it vanishes into thin air or lands right on its edge. But common sense says the next president will be the Democratic nominee OR the Republican nominee. When you say "I really really really hope that the coin doesn't land on 'tails,'" anyone in their right mind is going to assume you'd like it to land on "heads," not that a fruit bat is going to fly by right at the exact moment you toss the coin and snatch it out of thin air.

 

[kmoose]

But they are not acting in any way similar to Carson. The fact the HRC is a sociopath has nothing to do with my posts on Carson and his detached reality. The fact you continue to keep on with this is the problem. IT IS ALL about you not reading posts, mischaracterizing them in order to make what ever point you are trying to make and pursuing it with vigor.

Carson's lunacy has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH HRC or my political affiliation!!!!!!

So now you want to play semantics with words too...lol. Fine.. Carson is a lunatic in this sense which is now only used informally.

So would it be ok for me to call you a democrat, but not a Democrat?

Full Definition of DEMOCRAT


1

a : an adherent of democracy

b : one who practices social equality

2

capitalized : a member of the Democratic party of the United States

 

[RDU Irish]

Dear Baby Jesus in heaven are you this nit-picky with your wife? She must love it.

Yes, you CAN write-in J.R.R. Tolkien for your presidential vote. There's also an infantesimal but calculable chance that, when you flip a coin, it vanishes into thin air or lands right on its edge. But common sense says the next president will be the Democratic nominee OR the Republican nominee. When you say "I really really really hope that the coin doesn't land on 'tails,'" anyone in their right mind is going to assume you'd like it to land on "heads," not that a fruit bat is going to fly by right at the exact moment you toss the coin and snatch it out of thin air.

Stop it with your logic! Bilbo/Frodo 2016!

 

[connor_in]

I told ulk I preferred women, and that he should stop with his pointless advances... but he didn't listen either...

ACamp in this thread...

 

[connor_in]

I like Fall.

There are two prominent parties who both work hard to attract Independents every election. They are an incredibly important part of the political landscape -- which is not at all binary. One can dislike Democrats and also not be a Republican.

to be honest, you only really like late mid late early fall and the rest of autumn can suck it...you PM'ed that direct quote to me 4 yrs ago (not really...or did you?)