Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[IrishinSyria]

gk's not wrong though... it's not a good look. It's one thing for a coach to grab a player by the pads, it's something else for a coach to grab one of his subordinates by the collar. Even if Grimes was out of line, there are far less violent ways to accomplish the same thing.

 

[kmoose]

gk's not wrong though... it's not a good look. It's one thing for a coach to grab a player by the pads, it's something else for a coach to grab one of his subordinates by the collar. Even if Grimes was out of line, there are far less violent ways to accomplish the same thing.

Perhaps. But football is a passionate, violent sport. I don't want my coaches looking for the least aggressive way to handle situations. My priest, my insurance agent, the checker at the grocery store, the guy who installed my cable TV? Yeah, I'd hope that all of those people had the type of personality that looked for the "softest" way to handle things. A football coach, a soldier, sailor, airman, or Marine; the guy who comes to exterminate the rats in the attic, a firefighter? Yeah, I want those people to be aggressive. Different mentalities for different roles in life. I don't want them sucker punching anyone, but BK didn't do that. All he did was grab Grimes' shirt and push him backwards. I have no problem with that. And I don't think anyone of us, or anyone associated with the University should give half of a fvck about the optics of it. If he had thrown a punch, or pushed him down and stood over him, that would be another story for me. But he didn't.

 

[woolybug25]

Perhaps. But football is a passionate, violent sport. I don't want my coaches looking for the least aggressive way to handle situations. My priest, my insurance agent, the checker at the grocery store, the guy who installed my cable TV? Yeah, I'd hope that all of those people had the type of personality that looked for the "softest" way to handle things. A football coach, a soldier, sailor, airman, or Marine; the guy who comes to exterminate the rats in the attic, a firefighter? Yeah, I want those people to be aggressive. Different mentalities for different roles in life. I don't want them sucker punching anyone, but BK didn't do that. All he did was grab Grimes' shirt and push him backwards. I have no problem with that. And I don't think anyone of us, or anyone associated with the University should give half of a fvck about the optics of it. If he had thrown a punch, or pushed him down and stood over him, that would be another story for me. But he didn't.

We saw what happens when you attack the rats in your attack with soft hands. Wiz was taken behind the woodshed by those critters. Pest control is not for the weak willed.

 

[Irish_Passion]

Are people actually thinking this was a "violent act" .. That is laughable! If you are in the camp that thinks this is just a BK thing, then you have clearly never been part of any organized football high school and above. Seriously, this is NOTHING!

The HC is the ONLY person who is supposed to talk to the refs, EVER! In the situation, BK may have overreacted a tiny bit, but it isn't nearly as bad as people are claiming.

For all the people out there saying a boss shouldn't ever put his hands on an employee, leave that shit to the corporate world. Football is adrenaline pumping physical altercations at virtually every snap. Things like this are bound to happen with every single FB program. This generation has been pussified so much that it makes me sick!

 

[RECON Daddy]

BK's response to this was quite appropriate. Grimes was obviously pissed (about the PI call I would guess) and needed to be contained. I am sure he was told to stop chirping at the ref and he continued so he got dealt with.

If anyone really thinks this was "violent", pull your dress down and go back to your Saturday bowling league. As kmoose said, "But football is a passionate, violent sport. I don't want my coaches looking for the least aggressive way to handle situations. " - we have seen how that turns out for us when that mindset sits in the chair...we look like punks on the field.

 

[AgentJ]

If my boss went after me the way BK did Grimes, he would be catching these hands.

Everyone is quick to defend Kelly because its "football" and "heat of the moment" but if Grimes retaliates (who btw had his hands in his pockets) do you give him the same defense?

 

[ShawneeIrish]

gk's not wrong though... it's not a good look. It's one thing for a coach to grab a player by the pads, it's something else for a coach to grab one of his subordinates by the collar. Even if Grimes was out of line, there are far less violent ways to accomplish the same thing.

Exactly. Not too mention if a HC can't get a low level assistant in line without being physical then there are problems with the HC's leadership abilities and the discipline he's instilled in his staff.

 

[Old Man Mike]

why are certain people mods?

In MY "view", [just as good a pile of sh!t rationalization as that of this mod] certain opinions about "violence" and then refusal to even consider alternatives while behaving like a "don't tread on me" ego, are far off base given the relative civilized responses from the general IE brethren.

This is why IE becomes a more irritating place to visit game by game. I think that I'm going to stop [not that this is of any importance] visiting for any reason other than the recruiting news, where we have many intelligent and civilized informants who I admire. The rest of this site has turned into Leprechaun Lounge even when it's a football-related thread.

 

[irishff1014]

gk's not wrong though... it's not a good look. It's one thing for a coach to grab a player by the pads, it's something else for a coach to grab one of his subordinates by the collar. Even if Grimes was out of line, there are far less violent ways to accomplish the same thing.

And this is the reason society is a bunch of cry baby's.

 

[Irish_Passion]

gk's not wrong though... it's not a good look. It's one thing for a coach to grab a player by the pads, it's something else for a coach to grab one of his subordinates by the collar. Even if Grimes was out of line, there are far less violent ways to accomplish the same thing.

Serious question, have you ever been in a heated discussion in your life? Should everybody sit in a circle and kumbaya or play paddy cake ?

Its funny that the people who complain about this are seemingly the same people who bitch and moan about what BK has done for this program.

 

[gkIrish]

why are certain people mods?

In MY "view", [just as good a pile of sh!t rationalization as that of this mod] certain opinions about "violence" and then refusal to even consider alternatives while behaving like a "don't tread on me" ego, are far off base given the relative civilized responses from the general IE brethren.

This is why IE becomes a more irritating place to visit game by game. I think that I'm going to stop [not that this is of any importance] visiting for any reason other than the recruiting news, where we have many intelligent and civilized informants who I admire. The rest of this site has turned into Leprechaun Lounge even when it's a football-related thread.

OMM my name is gkIrish. You can use it.

You can also choose not to visit this thread. It's very easy to avoid it. My opinions rarely bleed into other threads.

 

[IrishLion]

Every week, there is a new reason to revisit and question BK.

Meanwhile, ND just keeps swimming. Maybe that's the answer right there lol.

 

[Irish_Passion]

Meanwhile, ND just keeps winning. Maybe that's the answer right there lol.

FIFY

 

[tommyIRISH23]

gk's not wrong though... it's not a good look. It's one thing for a coach to grab a player by the pads, it's something else for a coach to grab one of his subordinates by the collar. Even if Grimes was out of line, there are far less violent ways to accomplish the same thing.

lol violent? really?

 

[Irish Insanity]

why are certain people mods?

Mods can't have opinions of their own? I didn't think Mods were picked based on their belief in the team or it's personnel.

 

[greyhammer90]

Another win, another week this thread continues to be the dreg of the board.

 

[kmoose]

Mods can't have opinions of their own? I didn't think Mods were picked based on their belief in the team or it's personnel.

They aren't picked for threatening to ban someone who doesn't agree with them, either, presumably?

 

[IrishinSyria]

Serious question, have you ever been in a heated discussion in your life? Should everybody sit in a circle and kumbaya or play paddy cake ?

Its funny that the people who complain about this are seemingly the same people who bitch and moan about what BK has done for this program.

Feel free to point out where I "bitch and moan" about what BK has done to this program. And yeah, I've been in heated discussions, played all the contact sports, been in the Army, done all that manly shit... and without knowing anything about you, I could kick your ass.

But that's not the point. I'm not saying this is a BIG DEAL, I'm just saying that it doesn't look great. Imagine your boss putting hands on you like Kelly does, if you had the presence of mind to not hit back (shout out to Sheldon Day for stopping that) you'd have a legit HR complaint. Yes, football's a different environment and things get heated, but self control is a virtue and there's a difference between players and coaches. Maybe if Grimes had been yelling at the ref or doing something that actually would have drawn a penalty it would be a different story, but it sure looks to me like everything was under control by the time Kelly came by.

Again, not a big deal. But I do think the classy thing to do- the right thing to do for a guy who is ostensibly a mentor figure- is to publicly apologize and chalk it up to a heat of the moment reaction.

 

[gkIrish]

They aren't picked for threatening to ban someone who doesn't agree with them, either, presumably?

Haha, what actually happened is the guy was being an antagonist and I asked him to stop posting in this thread because that's what he was doing and threatened to ban him if he didn't. Good memory!!

 

[gkIrish]

Another win, another week this thread continues to be the dreg of the board.

I'll tell you what...

I'm locking this thread. What a great mod!

 

[Guest]

When will Brian Kelly be fired?

When will Brian Kelly be fired?

The answer is likely not for several years. He will likely quit first. He is a pretty good coach who can deal with this administration, academic requirements, and runs a pretty clean program (some infractions notwithstanding).

However, from a football perspective, his hiring of Vangorder should be his undoing. BVG cannot coach. The recruiting on the defensive side has caught up to the offense. They should have a good, solid defense now. There is simply no excuse for the type of bullshit we saw against Texas.

Also, Kelly's questionable clock management and handling of the QB situation makes me think he has hit his ceiling has a head coach at ND. I think he is a quality coach but not one of the elite. Not that I expect one of the elite to come here ...

If Kelly had hired a good college DC, it's likely we are singing his praises even with some of his mistakes. But with this loss and the complete cluster fuck of a defense, I think we have seen the best he has to offer the team.

I am not sure who we will get to replace him given the challenges of coaching at ND. I am not sure whomever we could get would even be better. It could setup a dry spell where we wish he was still here. But I know that if you want ND to actually be one of the challengers every year, this isn't it. Can ND ever be one of the truly elite programs again? I am not sure.

Kelly has had more than enough time to build a winning program. He simply made too many mistakes along the way to get ND over the hump. Still a very good coach, but I think fans are going to begin to want to run him out of town at the end of this season because of another big disappointing year. This defense is going to get murdered by several teams, and we may be looking at 4-5 losses again even though the offense is fantastic.

 

[hockeypuck9399]

Now?

 

[Southside Sully]

You both are retarded

 

[Calabrese's People]

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[Irishnuke]

Well I've definitely missed football season. I definitely have NOT missed football season threads.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Kelly just signed an extension.
Hopefully he makes some changes to his staff.
Hell didn't he start out as a defensive guy?
Maybe he can take over the D for the season?

 

[ACamp1900]

Well I've definitely missed football season. I definitely have NOT missed football season threads.

I haven't really missed football,... I've yet to have one fvkin season where my heart was t ripped out

 

[Irish Insanity]

I haven't really missed football,... I've yet to have one fvkin season where my heart was t ripped out

At least our hopes were smashed this year before they got to high.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Are you high?

The answer is likely not for several years. He will likely quit first. He is a pretty good coach who can deal with this administration, academic requirements, and runs a pretty clean program (some infractions notwithstanding).

However, from a football perspective, his hiring of Vangorder should be his undoing. BVG cannot coach. The recruiting on the defensive side has caught up to the offense. They should have a good, solid defense now. There is simply no excuse for the type of bullshit we saw against Texas.

Also, Kelly's questionable clock management and handling of the QB situation makes me think he has hit his ceiling has a head coach at ND. I think he is a quality coach but not one of the elite. Not that I expect one of the elite to come here ...

If Kelly had hired a good college DC, it's likely we are singing his praises even with some of his mistakes. But with this loss and the complete cluster fuck of a defense, I think we have seen the best he has to offer the team.

I am not sure who we will get to replace him given the challenges of coaching at ND. I am not sure whomever we could get would even be better. It could setup a dry spell where we wish he was still here. But I know that if you want ND to actually be one of the challengers every year, this isn't it. Can ND ever be one of the truly elite programs again? I am not sure.

Kelly has had more than enough time to build a winning program. He simply made too many mistakes along the way to get ND over the hump. Still a very good coach, but I think fans are going to begin to want to run him out of town at the end of this season because of another big disappointing year. This defense is going to get murdered by several teams, and we may be looking at 4-5 losses again even though the offense is fantastic.

 

[GATTACA!]

I haven't really missed football,... I've yet to have one fvkin season where my heart was t ripped out

Don't worry the Browns start in less than a week.