Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[IrishLion]

You all need to get your shit together.

For real.

 

[irishfan]

He's a Top-15 coach in the country IMO. But it is extremely annoying seeing guys like Urban and Harbaugh being a clear step up and playing in the same region. We have no reason to fire him, but I could easily see BK turning into our version of Richt at UGA.

It's frustrating going into the season thinking not only are the playoffs a long shot, but we're going to lose by 20+ if we play Bama or OSU in the semis since their coaching staffs will have so much time to prep for us.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Call me when women's BB season starts

 

[ulukinatme]

Suggest a legit candidate that is going to come to ND, deal with everything that job entails, and is going to do a better job. Don't even bother mentioning Urban or Saban, because that's just silly.

Also, that question was rhetorical. There isn't anyone better for the job at this time that is going to come here.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Kelly needs to make some staff changes this offseason. No more being loyal Kelly. Time to be the CEO and cut non A team staff member.


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[ulukinatme]

Kelly needs to make some staff changes this offseason. No more being loyal Kelly. Time to be the CEO and cut non A team staff member.


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If BVG goes, I think Booker needs to be let go too. Our TE position has become non-existent in this offense. We have too much talent. Someone page Bernie Parmalee!

 

[Sherm Sticky]

If BVG goes, I think Booker needs to be let go too. Our TE position has become non-existent in this offense. We have too much talent. Someone page Bernie Parmalee!

Yep those are the two that need to move on.


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[mgriff]

I still don't want Kelly gone. He's done a whole lot to move us forward. It's been bumpy at times, but overall very good for our program. Now his choice of DC is not thrilling me and I think he's very loyal. You see it with players in the past and now with a our DC. I'm still fine with Kelly.

 

[philipm31]

We need to be realistic. He has been here seven years. Things were their best in 2012. That will be the best they are ever under him. And I would be willing to bet we could get a coach to take over and take us to another level. I just don't see why we need to "settle" for another five seasons after this. Things are not getting any better.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I still don't want Kelly gone. He's done a whole lot to move us forward. It's been bumpy at times, but overall very good for our program. Now his choice of DC is not thrilling me and I think he's very loyal. You see it with players in the past and now with a our DC. I'm still fine with Kelly.

Yes Kelly is a good fit for ND. If he got fired ND will go back to Bob Davie type seasons.


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[NDgradstudent]

Suggest a legit candidate that is going to come to ND, deal with everything that job entails, and is going to do a better job. Don't even bother mentioning Urban or Saban, because that's just silly.

Also, that question was rhetorical. There isn't anyone better for the job at this time that is going to come here.

I don't want BK gone, but you don't think Tom Herman would come?

 

[ulukinatme]

I don't want BK gone, but you don't think Tom Herman would come?

Well...maybe Herman. Is he a good fit though? He certainly called a great game against OU, and had a great season last year. Would hate to lose Sanford though, hopefully he could be retained. Problem is we're probably talking a BK buyout then, and then are we going to pay Herman to lure him away?

 

[ulukinatme]

We need to be realistic. He has been here seven years. Things were their best in 2012. That will be the best they are ever under him. And I would be willing to bet we could get a coach to take over and take us to another level. I just don't see why we need to "settle" for another five seasons after this. Things are not getting any better.

Disagree. The record reflected it, but we also had a lot of things go our way that season. Offensively we are far better right now than we were in 2012. Defensively we are giving up far too many big plays, and we're struggling with stopping the run. We are far deeper at positions than we were in 2012. We need to sort out the defensive coaching and we'll be fine.

 

[Irish Insanity]

We need to be realistic. He has been here seven years. Things were their best in 2012. That will be the best they are ever under him. And I would be willing to bet we could get a coach to take over and take us to another level. I just don't see why we need to "settle" for another five seasons after this. Things are not getting any better.

Patience is the issue. BK has worn some of the fan bases thin. But replacing him will likely require a step back before we go forward. Obviously Kelly is a great coach. He's lifted this program back to relevance. But can he get us over the top? His play calls at times are head scratchers. We still can't successfully eat clock. We still struggle at times in the red zone. The zone read in the red zone takes 30 seconds to develope. His loyalty to players and coaches has hurt the team. He needs to quit blowing smoke and start producing results. Do you want 5 more years of 10 win seasons and no playoffs or championships, or will you accept a down year or 2 and a few playoff appearances in the next 6 years with a championship. And who can we get to make option 2 possible. BVG shouldn't have been on the staff after last year, yet here we are. Hell look how many off of last years roster made an NFL roster. Yet our D was community college level. Zaire shouldn't have seen a snap in the 2nd half, yet he did. TE U has now turned in to TE NO.

 

[philipm31]

Disagree. The record reflected it, but we also had a lot of things go our way that season. Offensively we are far better right now than we were in 2012. Defensively we are giving up far too many big plays, and we're struggling with stopping the run. We are far deeper at positions than we were in 2012. We need to sort out the defensive coaching and we'll be fine.

We are better on both sides of the ball and we are going to be lucky to win 9 games, and a LOT of that is on the coaching staff, which were all hired by Kelly or with his blessing.

We will literally never have a better season under Kelly and if we have to take a small step back to get a coach that can take us to the next level, then I think it need to be considered.

 

[philipm31]

Patience is the issue. BK has worn some of the fan bases thin. But replacing him will likely require a step back before we go forward. Obviously Kelly is a great coach. He's lifted this program back to relevance. But can he get us over the top? His play calls at times are head scratchers. We still can't successfully eat clock. We still struggle at times in the red zone. The zone read in the red zone takes 30 seconds to develope. His loyalty to players and coaches has hurt the team. He needs to quit blowing smoke and start producing results. Do you want 5 more years of 10 win seasons and no playoffs or championships, or will you accept a down year or 2 and a few playoff appearances in the next 6 years with a championship. And who can we get to make option 2 possible. BVG shouldn't have been on the staff after last year, yet here we are. Hell look how many off of last years roster made an NFL roster. Yet our D was community college level. Zaire shouldn't have seen a snap in the 2nd half, yet he did. TE U has now turned in to TE NO.

Seven years is long enough to see his strengths and weaknesses. No way he makes it another six seasons anyway. We need to start looking and stop thinking the only person we can get is Kelly because that is just not true, at all. People were saying the same thing after Weis and Davie.


And to think that Kelly is a "great coach" is, well, not true. He is a very good coach, but he is not a "great coach" by any measure.

And yes, I would accept a title with a year or two of mediocre results because, well, we would have done it the right way. Anyone who says otherwise is just not realistic.

 

[ulukinatme]

We are better on both sides of the ball and we are going to be lucky to win 9 games, and a LOT of that is on the coaching staff, which were all hired by Kelly or with his blessing.

We will literally never have a better season under Kelly and if we have to take a small step back to get a coach that can take us to the next level, then I think it need to be considered.

We've had so much inconsistency at HC since Lou left. This is the longest tenured HC we've had since then, and we're coming off a respectable 10 win season. We can get 10 wins again this season. I don't see MSU stopping us, Stanford is beatable, USC will still be tough even though they got obliterated by 'Bama (They'll figure some stuff out by November, as will we).

This team would have folded under other coaches. There might be some better coaches out there in college football, but you're likely not going to get them to come to ND. We have a good CEO, we need to look at "COO" BVG and a few other officers to determine who needs the axe.

 

[NorthDakota]

BK is our guy. Sanford I bet coaches at some point. We ate okay.

 

[Irish4Life09]

We have obviously hit our ceiling with Kelly. If you can't see that, than I'm sorry but you're blind. It's getting harder and harder to deal with his shitty coaching skills.
We could EASILY land Herman. He will be out of Houston after this season, and some big school is going to get him. Why not us?
We just finished paying off the debacle of Weis, might as well start the payoff of Kelly.
Whose to say we would have a step back anyway? We have the athletes! He has the system to make those athletes better! Kelly is not a Top15 coach. That's laughable.

 

[ulukinatme]

We have obviously hit our ceiling with Kelly. If you can't see that, than I'm sorry but you're blind. It's getting harder and harder to deal with his shitty coaching skills.
We could EASILY land Herman. He will be out of Houston after this season, and some big school is going to get him. Why not us?
We just finished paying off the debacle of Weis, might as well start the payoff of Kelly.
Whose to say we would have a step back anyway? We have the athletes! He has the system to make those athletes better! Kelly is not a Top15 coach. That's laughable.

I bet we don't land Herman. My money says he goes to USC, LSU, or some other program where he isn't asked to deal with the academics and ND discipline system.

 

[arrowryan]

Suggest a legit candidate that is going to come to ND, deal with everything that job entails, and is going to do a better job. Don't even bother mentioning Urban or Saban, because that's just silly.

Also, that question was rhetorical. There isn't anyone better for the job at this time that is going to come here.

Tom Herman

 

[kmoose]

I don't want BK gone, but you don't think Tom Herman would come?

No. I don't think Tom Herman would come to a program where he has practically zero influence on what happens to players that have academic issues. If Houston continues on the trajectory they are currently on, they will be the next Boise State and Herman can get a HC gig at just about any school with an opening; including MANY with the "boys will be boys" approach to discipline.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Imo, this the best it's going to get, and it's not Kelly or swarbricks fault. We just aren't getting classes full of 5 star guys, which is what you need to be elite. Those guys can't qualify academically. Until that changes, this is the absolute best we can do. The change that needs to be made isn't Kelly, it's with administration.

 

[irishff1014]

Unfortunately this is the best I think ND can do. You won't find a coach that cares and will do what the administration wants on the academic side. Kellys problem is he is to loyal and he knows that unless he quits he will be the coach here. i just need to come to the realization that we are 20-30 team.

 

[NDVirginia19]

What do you guys consider shitty? I'm sorry, but in the world of college football today with the limitations that ND has on its recruiting efforts, it's going to be next to impossible to replicate what Saban has in Alabama. Kelly is without a doubt a top 10 coach in college football, and DEFINITELY far away from shitty, despite what users on this board believe. It's going to be a sad day when we lose Kelly, because unless it's Sanford replacing him 5 years down the line, it'll be a step down.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Seven years is long enough to see his strengths and weaknesses. No way he makes it another six seasons anyway. We need to start looking and stop thinking the only person we can get is Kelly because that is just not true, at all. People were saying the same thing after Weis and Davie.


And to think that Kelly is a "great coach" is, well, not true. He is a very good coach, but he is not a "great coach" by any measure.

And yes, I would accept a title with a year or two of mediocre results because, well, we would have done it the right way. Anyone who says otherwise is just not realistic.

I completely agree with paragraphs 1 and 3. I disagree with paragraph 2.

 

[kmoose]

Imo, this the best it's going to get, and it's not Kelly or swarbricks fault. We just aren't getting classes full of 5 star guys, which is what you need to be elite. Those guys can't qualify academically. Until that changes, this is the absolute best we can do. The change that needs to be made isn't Kelly, it's with administration.

The problem isn't qualifying them academically. Chris Zorich and Tony Rice didn't qualify academically. The problem is the workload that they have to handle, once they get here. We saw it with the Frozen Five. Getting in is not the problem. STAYING in is the big challenge. It's really hard to sit here and say that I would rather be 9-3 and doing it right, than be 12-1 and be just like all of the other football factories. But I would. Go look at LinkedIn sometime, and look at the former ND football players on there:

Dayne Crist: Vice President and Financial Advisor at Bernstein Private Wealth Management.

Austin Collinsworth: Vice President of Distribution at Pro Football Focus

Brady Quinn: Vice President and Co-Founder, 3rd and Goal Foundation

Ned Bolcar: Senior Vice President at Jefferies and Company

Wes Pritchett: Executive Director at JP Morgan

Stan Smagala: President at Capital Acquisitions and Development, Inc.

and the list goes on and on....

THAT is what ND is primarily about. Winning 10 games every year is, and should be, second to that.

 

[Guest]

Suggest a legit candidate that is going to come to ND, deal with everything that job entails, and is going to do a better job. Don't even bother mentioning Urban or Saban, because that's just silly.

Also, that question was rhetorical. There isn't anyone better for the job at this time that is going to come here.

I agree with this. I actually like Kelly as a coach, but he has flaws. Bringing in a retread DC who had revolving door history and no recent tangible success with his system was a mistake. It was a serious reach. If ND has even a halfway decent DC, they could win 10 games a year with this talent on the defensive side of the ball. We have tons of four star recruits now, and have a nice pipeline. There is zero excuse for the defensive performance, and ultimately that rests on Kelly's shoulders. Kelly also has game management issues, but those could be forgivable otherwise.

Look at what Charlie Strong has done with his team. He has two new coordinators (one in second year) and only recent success recruiting. He has a young team. But he has them playing to their potential. Can you tell me that Kelly has done the same thing for his defense given much more time? Nope!

This is my frustration point. I want to see Kelly succeed, but he has gotten in his own way with some of his decisions and caused people to question whether he is good enough.

Part of this is the suffocating expectation ND fans have of their football team during the glory days. We may not ever be able to have those days again given current dynamics of college sports. Maybe Kelly is perfect and we should all be happy with the situation. But that's not likely to be the case with ND fans and alumni. If the team loses several games this year due to poor defense, some people will start calling for Kelly's head.

 

[NDRock]

The problem isn't qualifying them academically. Chris Zorich and Tony Rice didn't qualify academically. The problem is the workload that they have to handle, once they get here. We saw it with the Frozen Five. Getting in is not the problem. STAYING in is the big challenge. It's really hard to sit here and say that I would rather be 9-3 and doing it right, than be 12-1 and be just like all of the other football factories. But I would. Go look at LinkedIn sometime, and look at the former ND football players on there:

Dayne Crist: Vice President and Financial Advisor at Bernstein Private Wealth Management.

Austin Collinsworth: Vice President of Distribution at Pro Football Focus

Brady Quinn: Vice President and Co-Founder, 3rd and Goal Foundation

Ned Bolcar: Senior Vice President at Jefferies and Company

Wes Pritchett: Executive Director at JP Morgan

Stan Smagala: President at Capital Acquisitions and Development, Inc.

and the list goes on and on....

THAT is what ND is primarily about. Winning 10 games every year is, and should be, second to that.

And yet Stanford pulls it off. That's the problem with saying our academics are too tough, another school is getting it done.

 

[NDVirginia19]

And yet Stanford pulls it off. That's the problem with saying our academics are too tough, another school is getting it done.

When has Stanford competed for a national championship during BK's tenure? Don't they lose 2-3 games every year as well? Maybe they win the bowl game more often, but isn't not winning championships everyone's gripe with Kelly?