'11 CA LB Joe Schmidt (Scholarship Earned)

[JohnnyJasper]

Nyles has to rotate in there. We all love Schmidt but we also could use some more speed/strength at MLB.

W/ Onawalu, Martini, Coney rotating as well depending on what the opposing team is attacking us with.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Kelly just called Joe their "Cleanup hitter" on defense.. Says Nyles is playing well but they don't want to take Joe out of the lineup

A clean up tackler would be better.

 

[kmoose]

Agreed. I am fairly certain a ND defense in 2015 could function without Joe Schmidt on the field for a few plays each game. Especially 2 weeks ago when USC was lining up 3 or 4 WRs and Joe Schmidt was still on the field when the only LB out there should have been Jaylon with 6 of our best DBs. Joe Schmidt covering slot receivers is a disaster that falls on the coaching staff. There has got be better organization of our personnel groupings then that.

You do know we won that game, right?

 

[gkIrish]

You do know we won that game, right?

You say some of the most irrelevant things. If Kizer threw 8 picks and we won a game would that excuse his bad play?

 

[IrishLion]

Nyles has to rotate in there. We all love Schmidt but we also could use some more speed/strength at MLB.

W/ Onawalu, Martini, Coney rotating as well depending on what the opposing team is attacking us with.

I've noticed Coney spelling Jaylon here and there.

It makes me very excited to think that he's already in a place where he can spell one of the best players in the country without getting noticed.

 

[ThePiombino]

Kelly just called Joe their "Cleanup hitter" on defense.. Says Nyles is playing well but they don't want to take Joe out of the lineup

Well our cleanup hitter is batting below the Mendoza line. Time for a change.

 

[koonja]

Even if Joe was playing average, common sense coaching and program building says you give the back up reps for a number of reasons. Keeps the starter fresh, lessens the starter's chance at injury, develops the position for next year, provides competition, etc. Overall, the handling of Schmidt's playtime has been an epic coaching failure IMO.

Hell, Will Fuller should be getting snaps off in lieu of whoever his backup is for the above reaons. Joe's our worst starter by a mile, with great depth behind him, and it's the only position besides QB and OL they won't give the backups a few reps at. Boggling.

 

[kmoose]

You say some of the most irrelevant things. If Kizer threw 8 picks and we won a game would that excuse his bad play?

What's irrelevant is the complaining about there being more than just Jaylon Smith on the field at linebacker. Or that there were not enough DBs in the game to counter USC's receivers. We won the game, and we held USC to 7 points in the second half. You can make an argument that Joe Schmidt should not being playing as much as he is, but to complain about a defensive lineup that obviously worked is nothing more than dumb.

 

[ThePiombino]

What's irrelevant is the complaining about there being more than just Jaylon Smith on the field at linebacker. Or that there were not enough DBs in the game to counter USC's receivers. We won the game, and we held USC to 7 points in the second half. You can make an argument that Joe Schmidt should not being playing as much as he is, but to complain about a defensive lineup that obviously worked is nothing more than dumb.

This logic is basically saying if it ain't broke don't fix it. But that's admitting that things could be better, but why bother because so far it has been enough to get by. This is so stupid. If given the chance, ESPECIALLY elite level sports, you so whatever you can to make the team better. This isn't bowling. There's no reason to sandbag. If the team is better without Schmidt, or at least a rotation, then you fucking do it.

 

[anarin]

A clean up tackler would be better.

Since everyone has turned this into a bash joe thread.

His tackling would be much better if he didn't cast hand every game. He is in great position a lot of time, and his leadership with calls is more advanced than nyles naturally. I've seen everyone on this team get out of position and miss tackles.

Now do I think he could play better? Yes of course. Do I think it's time to start Nyles? No not at all. You guys are treating this like the backup QB syndrome, we have a capable player at the position, but everyone wants the backup in because he's the shiny new sports car.

 

[IrishLion]

everyone wants the backup in because he's the shiny new sports car.

I want the backup in because the incumbent has generally been a physical liability, and because this is a veteran defense that isn't just going to have their brains fall out of their heads if Joe has to sit on the bench.

 

[ThePiombino]

Since everyone has turned this into a bash joe thread.

His tackling would be much better if he didn't cast hand every game. He is in great position a lot of time, and his leadership with calls is more advanced than nyles naturally. I've seen everyone on this team get out of position and miss tackles.

Now do I think he could play better? Yes of course. Do I think it's time to start Nyles? No not at all. You guys are treating this like the backup QB syndrome, we have a capable player at the position, but everyone wants the backup in because he's the shiny new sports car.

But here's the thing, he's NOT in great position as much as he should be AND he misses too many tackles when he is. Nyles, while presumably behind in the mental aspect of the position, has certain physical tangibles that would more than makeup for the mental deficiency. All most of us are saying is get this kid some frickin reps. Joe is NOT that much of a net positive over Morgan, if at all post-injury.

 

[anarin]

I want the backup in because the incumbent has generally been a physical liability, and because this is a veteran defense that isn't just going to have their brains fall out of their heads if Joe has to sit on the bench.

But here's the thing, he's NOT in great position as much as he should be AND he misses too many tackles when he is. Nyles, while presumably behind in the mental aspect of the position, has certain physical tangibles that would more than makeup for the mental deficiency. All most of us are saying is get this kid some frickin reps. Joe is NOT that much of a net positive over Morgan, if at all post-injury.

The thing is Nyles proved in the short action that we have all seen, that he over pursues plays and puts himself out of position. Don't you think that if he was the expert at calling the checks ands making the plays he'd get some PT. I don't think it's some conspiracy that he isn't playing. But I do agree he should get some PT here and there.

Joe is nowhere as bad as you guys are making him out to be. And again, if he'd shed that cast on his hand he'd make so much more plays . I really wonder why he chooses to wear it ?

 

[koonja]

The thing is Nyles proved in the short action that we have all seen, that he over pursues plays and puts himself out of position. Don't you think that if he was the expert at calling the checks ands making the plays he'd get some PT. I don't think it's some conspiracy that he isn't playing. But I do agree he should get some PT here and there.

Joe is nowhere as bad as you guys are making him out to be. And again, if he'd shed that cast on his hand he'd make so much more plays . I really wonder why he chooses to wear it ?

Nyles also had 3.5 TFL's in like 3 games, whereas Joe post-injury had .5 in 8 games. Nyles makes plays. It's a myth that Joe was 'good' pre-injury last year. Coach Dryskel on BGI has said he's never seen Joe play good football. He's been OK pre-injury, below average post.

Nyles probably misses some, but Joe misses almost all of them and can not make any plays.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Since everyone has turned this into a bash joe thread.

His tackling would be much better if he didn't cast hand every game. He is in great position a lot of time, and his leadership with calls is more advanced than nyles naturally. I've seen everyone on this team get out of position and miss tackles.

Now do I think he could play better? Yes of course. Do I think it's time to start Nyles? No not at all. You guys are treating this like the backup QB syndrome, we have a capable player at the position, but everyone wants the backup in because he's the shiny new sports car.

If by great position you mean he runs into the blocker and leaves an open gap or perhaps you mean when he does correctly diagnose a play, he's three steps too slow to arrive at the correct impact point or perhaps you mean when he does diagnose and arrive to the ball carrier, he only completes the tackle around 50% of the time.

If that is what you mean, then yes, I completely agree. Joe is in "great" position a lot of time.

 

[irishknight35]

The thing is Nyles proved in the short action that we have all seen, that he over pursues plays and puts himself out of position. Don't you think that if he was the expert at calling the checks ands making the plays he'd get some PT. I don't think it's some conspiracy that he isn't playing. But I do agree he should get some PT here and there.

Joe is nowhere as bad as you guys are making him out to be. And again, if he'd shed that cast on his hand he'd make so much more plays . I really wonder why he chooses to wear it ?

Just some snaps here and there would be great for Nyles' in game development. Though he must really be lacking what the coaches want out of him during practice each week to receive so few snaps.

For the record, I like Joe the football player and the person. I simply believe that putting the defense in the best position to succeed will breed successful results. Lining Joe Schmidt up against Adoree Jackson or other WRs is not putting Joe or the team in a position to succeed. It worked out against USC and I'm really glad it did but if you think every other offense we play this year aren't begging for a similar match-up with their WRs then I don't know what to tell ya (Kmoose). There are clearly better ways of using the defensive personnel.

 

[Wild Bill]

The thing is Nyles proved in the short action that we have all seen, that he over pursues plays and puts himself out of position. Don't you think that if he was the expert at calling the checks ands making the plays he'd get some PT. I don't think it's some conspiracy that he isn't playing. But I do agree he should get some PT here and there.

Joe is nowhere as bad as you guys are making him out to be. And again, if he'd shed that cast on his hand he'd make so much more plays . I really wonder why he chooses to wear it?

We're not limited to just nyles. We have Grace and Martini riding the pine too. Martini is completely underrated and plays his ass off whenever his number is called.

The docs may not let him play without the cast. It's probably not his call.

 

[Irish_Passion]

This is the Tommy Rees saga all over again. People have their opinions on how things should be done, and others feel obligated to say why their opinion is wrong.

I felt the same way about Rees as I do Schmidt. Personally, love them both for the men they are, but can also see the glaring gap in their abilities. I don't know why Nyles doesn't get PT, but I do trust that there is absolutely something tangible that the coaches feel the need to keep Schmidt in the game unlike at other positions. I will continue to trust that until I have a reason not too. Do I feel that Schmidt is a liability, absolutely, but do I live, eat, breathe, practice, breakdown film, etc... like the coaching staff does, no way.

Bottom line, something makes this coaching staff, who provides their livelihood based on performance of analyzing and coaching football for Notre Dame, believe the Schmidt needs to be out there, just like they did with Rees.

 

[Booslum31]

Like chickens in the barnyard...we need someone to pick on. I hope Joe goes off on saturday with picks, sacks, tackles, and caused fumbles so that maybe this thread falls off the front page.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Like chickens in the barnyard...we need someone to pick on. I hope Joe goes off on saturday with picks, sacks, tackles, and caused fumbles so that maybe this thread falls off the front page.

And if Joe is again non-existent and unable to make plays against the likes of Temple...then what?

 

[connor_in]

And if Joe is again non-existent and unable to make plays against the likes of Temple...then what?

then please spend 24/7 in here complaining and we can tweet BK with a link

 

[ThePiombino]

Like chickens in the barnyard...we need someone to pick on. I hope Joe goes off on saturday with picks, sacks, tackles, and caused fumbles so that maybe this thread falls off the front page.

Not a single person here who wouldn't just love that. But it ain't gonna happen. And you know that, unless of course you haven't been paying close attention this year.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Like chickens in the barnyard...we need someone to pick on. I hope Joe goes off on saturday with picks, sacks, tackles, and caused fumbles so that maybe this thread falls off the front page.

That would be great, but it's not going to happen. Joe's the least disruptive player on our defense- one underrated reason we're not getting pressure this year is that Joe can't get pressure when he blitzes, and under BVG- Joe blitzes a lot.

 

[kmoose]

This logic is basically saying if it ain't broke don't fix it. But that's admitting that things could be better, but why bother because so far it has been enough to get by. This is so stupid. If given the chance, ESPECIALLY elite level sports, you so whatever you can to make the team better. This isn't bowling. There's no reason to sandbag. If the team is better without Schmidt, or at least a rotation, then you fucking do it.

Look, just stop. My problem wasn't with his criticism of Schmidt. My problem was with his flippant attitude that the coaches don't know what they are doing, because (according to him) they didn't have 6 DBs and 1 LB on the field. The Defensive staff had a game plan. They came out and realized it wasn't working in the first half, so they made adjustments at halftime. Guess what? Those adjustments fvcking worked, so STFU about it already. With the exception of USC's first drive of the 2nd half, an 80 yard TD drive, ND completely shut them down in the 2nd half. USC's next 4 drives? 127 yards, 2 punts, 2 INTs, and the clock running out at the end of the game.

Again, if you want to argue that Joe Schmidt should not be playing as much as he is, that's one thing. But don't give me any sh!t for saying that someone shouldn't be bitching about the formations that the Defense used in a game where we shut our biggest rival down in 2nd half, and won the game by double digits.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Look, just stop. My problem wasn't with his criticism of Schmidt. My problem was with his flippant attitude that the coaches don't know what they are doing, because (according to him) they didn't have 6 DBs and 1 LB on the field. The Defensive staff had a game plan. They came out and realized it wasn't working in the first half, so they made adjustments at halftime. Guess what? Those adjustments fvcking worked, so STFU about it already. With the exception of USC's first drive of the 2nd half, an 80 yard TD drive, ND completely shut them down in the 2nd half. USC's next 4 drives? 127 yards, 2 punts, 2 INTs, and the clock running out at the end of the game.

Again, if you want to argue that Joe Schmidt should not be playing as much as he is, that's one thing. But don't give me any sh!t for saying that someone shouldn't be bitching about the formations that the Defense used in a game where we shut our biggest rival down in 2nd half, and won the game by double digits.

Honestly, I'm not sure how much credit I'd give the defensive gameplan in the second half. KeiVarae made an incredible individual play on the first pick, but if that ball had been about one yard deeper that would have been another long touchdown pass. On the next pick, we had Joe running with Adoree on a deep route that Kessler missed, throwing into tripple coverage instead. It was a great win, but I'm not sure how much had to do with our coaches making the right adjustments and how much was just our players stepping up/their players folding.

 

[Wild Bill]

Look, just stop. My problem wasn't with his criticism of Schmidt. My problem was with his flippant attitude that the coaches don't know what they are doing, because (according to him) they didn't have 6 DBs and 1 LB on the field. The Defensive staff had a game plan. They came out and realized it wasn't working in the first half, so they made adjustments at halftime. Guess what? Those adjustments fvcking worked, so STFU about it already. With the exception of USC's first drive of the 2nd half, an 80 yard TD drive, ND completely shut them down in the 2nd half. USC's next 4 drives? 127 yards, 2 punts, 2 INTs, and the clock running out at the end of the game.

Again, if you want to argue that Joe Schmidt should not be playing as much as he is, that's one thing. But don't give me any sh!t for saying that someone shouldn't be bitching about the formations that the Defense used in a game where we shut our biggest rival down in 2nd half, and won the game by double digits.

Agreed. I am fairly certain a ND defense in 2015 could function without Joe Schmidt on the field for a few plays each game. Especially 2 weeks ago when USC was lining up 3 or 4 WRs and Joe Schmidt was still on the field when the only LB out there should have been Jaylon with 6 of our best DBs. Joe Schmidt covering slot receivers is a disaster that falls on the coaching staff. There has got be better organization of our personnel groupings then that.

You do know we won that game, right?

Seems like he was arguing Joe shouldn't be out there in a particular formation, not that the defensive formation being used was questionable.

 

[kmoose]

Honestly, I'm not sure how much credit I'd give the defensive gameplan in the second half. KeiVarae made an incredible individual play on the first pick, but if that ball had been about one yard deeper that would have been another long touchdown pass. On the next pick, we had Joe running with Adoree on a deep route that Kessler missed, throwing into tripple coverage instead. It was a great win, but I'm not sure how much had to do with our coaches making the right adjustments and how much was just our players stepping up/their players folding.

Oy vey.............. so when the game goes bad(Clemson first half), it is on the coaches(kept trying to run the ball). But when the game goes good(shutting down USC in the 2nd half), it is just players making great plays?

 

[kmoose]

Seems like he was arguing Joe shouldn't be out there in a particular formation, not that the defensive formation being used was questionable.

Agreed. I am fairly certain a ND defense in 2015 could function without Joe Schmidt on the field for a few plays each game. Especially 2 weeks ago when USC was lining up 3 or 4 WRs and Joe Schmidt was still on the field when the only LB out there should have been Jaylon with 6 of our best DBs. Joe Schmidt covering slot receivers is a disaster that falls on the coaching staff. There has got be better organization of our personnel groupings then that.

What do you call that?

 

[irishknight35]

What do you call that?

A solid defensive formation against 4 WRs

 

[Wild Bill]

What do you call that?

That Jaylon is better in coverage than Joe.

Really don't care to engage you, man. Just don't understand why you'd tell another poster to STFU. You constantly call people out for "whining" or "b!tching" yet it seems like you're always throwing around b!tchy little comments.