Mike Sanford Jr. To WKU

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For the people that say Miami has no money just cause they're a "private school" lmfao that can't be more far from the truth. University of Miami has money and tons of it, not Texas, LSU, ND, or Bama money but its got a lot of money. They never spend well on their coaching staff or assistants. I want them to stay this way though because watching the U suck is so satisfying.
 

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I'd love to see what Sanford could do at ND as head coach, Not saying I want it anytime soon, but it'd be interesting.
 

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I hope the admin breaks out the check book to keep Mike at ND. IMO he has a bright future here.
 

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I hope the admin breaks out the check book to keep Mike at ND. IMO he has a bright future here.

Honestly I think we keep him three years tops. The guy's a comer, and short-term he's got a brighter future somewhere else. Then maybe we're the job after the next job for him.
 

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How would Fitzgerald be crazy? He has been brought up before? I'm sorry but I would take him over diaco, Skip holtz, Charlie M. I've heard David Shaw been brought up I don see that happening. No big time coach is going to want to come to ND when he has stipulations on what he can and can't do. Reason why we didn't get urban before. He wanted certain things and ND said no.

a) Nobody wants any of the coaches you named in that post.

b) You crazy for thinking ND can't pull a big time coach. However, like many on this board, I'm quite partial to Mitch Sanderson as well.
 
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How would Fitzgerald be crazy? He has been brought up before? I'm sorry but I would take him over diaco, Skip holtz, Charlie M. I've heard David Shaw been brought up I don see that happening. No big time coach is going to want to come to ND when he has stipulations on what he can and can't do. Reason why we didn't get urban before. He wanted certain things and ND said no.

Is Shaw really a "big time" coach, or is he a coach who's done very well at a school with comparable academic/university restrictions? (and that devotes far fewer resources to football). Much like Fitzgerald, but with far better results.

I agree some coaches, including many of the best like Meyer, wouldn't come to Notre Dame because of what you can't do here. But I don't think it's a blanket condition. Brian Kelly was pretty big-time coach when we hired him. I don't think we'd have to settle for Pat Fitzgerald (who's pretty much given us the finger every time it has come up). Just have to find the right guy. I assume Swarbrick has a list.
 

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Honestly I think we keep him three years tops. The guy's a comer, and short-term he's got a brighter future somewhere else. Then maybe we're the job after the next job for him.

I could see BK retiring from ND when he feels like he is finished. The Irish gig is as big a job as there is in all of football.
 

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For the people that say Miami has no money just cause they're a "private school" lmfao that can't be more far from the truth. University of Miami has money and tons of it, not Texas, LSU, ND, or Bama money but its got a lot of money. They never spend well on their coaching staff or assistants. I want them to stay this way though because watching the U suck is so satisfying.

Miami's athletic revenues are pretty low, compared to their football aspirations. If Miami wants to play for championships, they are going to have to pay like they are playing for championships. The data on this is only a few years old, but the situation is probably worse with updated TV contracts for other conferences. Regardless, Miami's revenues were stuck in the middle of perennial national championship contenders like Mizzou, Northwestern, GT, TTU, Rutgers, Maryland, UCONN, ASU and Illinois. If your money situations is similar to those programs, you should expect results similar to those programs. Plainly put, Miami needs to make and spend more......a lot more. Otherwise they will be right back in this spot 5 years from now.

Alabama and Auburn stay among 10 wealthiest athletics departments in 2011-12 | AL.com
 

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I hope he stays for at least a couple more years, but we all know it won't be for more than that. This dude is a future head coach at a big-time school, and hopefully his path brings him back to be that at Notre Dame. What a bright future this guy has.
 

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Miami's athletic revenues are pretty low, compared to their football aspirations. If Miami wants to play for championships, they are going to have to pay like they are playing for championships. The data on this is only a few years old, but the situation is probably worse with updated TV contracts for other conferences. Regardless, Miami's revenues were stuck in the middle of perennial national championship contenders like Mizzou, Northwestern, GT, TTU, Rutgers, Maryland, UCONN, ASU and Illinois. If your money situations is similar to those programs, you should expect results similar to those programs. Plainly put, Miami needs to make and spend more......a lot more. Otherwise they will be right back in this spot 5 years from now.

Alabama and Auburn stay among 10 wealthiest athletics departments in 2011-12 | AL.com
tl;dr: Florida fans (and California fans) are bandwagon front-runners who won't show up to support their teams unless Pitbull or Snoop Dogg tell them to.

Separately, that list says that only 29% of Stanford's athletic revenues come from football. That kind of number makes sense at UCONN, where both men's and women's basketball are revenue-generators, but where's the rest of the money coming from at football schools?
 

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tl;dr: Florida fans (and California fans) are bandwagon front-runners who won't show up to support their teams unless Pitbull or Snoop Dogg tell them to.

Separately, that list says that only 29% of Stanford's athletic revenues come from football. That kind of number makes sense at UCONN, where both men's and women's basketball are revenue-generators, but where's the rest of the money coming from at football schools?

Not sure, but a guess would be that TV networks are probably allocated as something other than FB?
 

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Not sure, but a guess would be that TV networks are probably allocated as something other than FB?
Yeah I found something elsewhere that includes donations used to fund sports as "athletic revenue." It would appear that Stanford is supplementing their other revenues with endowment income.
 
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Rise of USF? Come on bogs. UCF has more wins in tje last two years than USF has in the last four (not counting this season). UCF partly fell apart because O'Leary was trying to be coach and AD.

As to Miami's facilities that was true (and is till true about their stadium) but they have made some major upgrades recently. This article covers the changes which include new locker rooms, nee turf practice field, new training table and dining hall, academic area, hydrotherapy area, etc. All in the last 4 years or so. Their facilities aren't as bad as you think they are.
Miami hopes new facilities produce "wow" factor - Sun Sentinel

Sorry if choppy but I am on my phone.

ETA: What rise of FAU? Have you looked at their record? I can't believe that you think USF and FAU ate better jobs than UCF.

Actually, I don't think any of those things. Those are things you introduced to the conversation. I was talking about a lack of appeal beneath the shinny veneer of some college football gigs currently hiring, or about to hire.

Now there are 5 Division 1 football programs based in Florida. There used to be two or three, (really.)

I agree that CF, USF, and FIA are not good football schools. The point is there are more places for the FL talent to stay closer to home. So it becomes diluted. And that isn't counting all of the poachers.

Miami is built on a steaming heap. No one wants to go there/live there. No regular students, no athletes. Miami is built in the kind of place in which people want to get out! No kind of fancy athletic facilities located fifty minutes from the stadium are going to change that.

And several schools on the list have dwindling enrollment, and dwindling revenues. And they have already overspent and fallen short of the mark. Add UCF to that list! They are so overleveraged, and underwater that some smarter than I don't know how they will make athletic department payroll in the next couple of years. It ain't all about the ball programs; which is why I could give a sit whether a school has a good program or not. One huge trend over the next five to ten years is going to be big, top tier institutions that cannot afford to subsidize football revenue sharing from the academic side; (see every college and university in Louisiana, including LSU.)

86% of college teams don't break even, so they need to be subsidized. Many of the teams we are talking about will not be able to continue under the current system unless A) Shading financing is allowed; or, B) Everything is kept aboveboard, legitimate, and kept in the open while school teams convert to semi-pro, or professional sports franchises. Of course this will need to integrate with the NFL at a lower level like college does currently.

So my point is if you take an above average coach, with a brain in his head, (that works), leaving what he has built that is successful, is looking less appealing, than staying with something that he can grow and turn into a stable career. I bet if you look at the high paychecks at the programs that have paid them to get the Next Coming as head coach, you would find that that paycheck doesn't equal what that coach would get if he stayed and maintained some career continuity, and added more to his winning bottom line. See Kevin Sumlin.

Remember, the more schools with less money gamble and float out tremendous salaries, the more escapable the contracts will become for the school. So you are going to see an end to the ride the pine welfare made popular by Ty Willingham and Charlie Weis.
 

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Mike Sanford, Notre Dame offensive coordinator

Why he could be a head coach: The son of a longtime college football coach, the 33-year old Sanford is a rising star who checks every box for an AD. He's done great work this year with DeShone Kizer.

Where he fits: A place that needs a spark — we're talking Rutgers, Illinois, Purdue — should give him a look.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Moving on up: 31 college football assistants in line for head coaching jobs <a href="https://t.co/mamkjURyTs">https://t.co/mamkjURyTs</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/USATODAY">@usatoday</a></p>— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/661620292431814660">November 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Mike Sanford, Notre Dame offensive coordinator

Why he could be a head coach: The son of a longtime college football coach, the 33-year old Sanford is a rising star who checks every box for an AD. He's done great work this year with DeShone Kizer.

Where he fits: A place that needs a spark — we're talking Rutgers, Illinois, Purdue — should give him a look.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Moving on up: 31 college football assistants in line for head coaching jobs <a href="https://t.co/mamkjURyTs">https://t.co/mamkjURyTs</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/USATODAY">@usatoday</a></p>— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/661620292431814660">November 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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If Sanford is as good as we all believe him to be, he should ride out ND for a few years and put himself in line for a higher valued job. I don't think the aforementioned would suit.
 

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I would love to know how much of
kizer's success has been Sanford, and how much is Kizer just be under rated... In spring game, he didn't look great, but man, the kid is playing at an All American level... Malik has his work cut out for him
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Irish QB commit Ian Book on Mike Sanford: "He clarified that he's staying with Notre Dame." ($) <a href="https://t.co/KB3j67bech">https://t.co/KB3j67bech</a></p>— Anna Hickey (@AnnaHScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnnaHScout/status/671540354168963073">December 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Hallelujah!
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Irish QB commit Ian Book on Mike Sanford: "He clarified that he's staying with Notre Dame." ($) <a href="https://t.co/KB3j67bech">https://t.co/KB3j67bech</a></p>— Anna Hickey (@AnnaHScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnnaHScout/status/671540354168963073">December 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Hallelujah!

very very nice...

NOT trying to rain on your parades but how many times have we heard this before from coaches and then in the next min be on a plane to their new destination...UNLESS there is some strategic plan for him to continue to ascend at ND
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Irish QB commit Ian Book on Mike Sanford: "He clarified that he's staying with Notre Dame." ($) <a href="https://t.co/KB3j67bech">https://t.co/KB3j67bech</a></p>— Anna Hickey (@AnnaHScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnnaHScout/status/671540354168963073">December 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Hallelujah!

very very nice...

Anybody else remember a guy named Brian Kelly promising he was staying in Cincinnati?

I hope this is true, but what else is he going to tell the kid.
 

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Not trying to be a pessimist, but I gotta go with these guys that a coach will tell a recruit that they are staying....because they all are....until they are not.

Anyone still remember Saban talking the last couple weeks before he took the Alabama job?

That being said, I think Sanford should stick around at least a year or two more to show growth and determination to do the job he has. Which will also lead him to better opportunities than some of the basement dwellers that are showing interest now.
 
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Not trying to be a pessimist, but I gotta go with these guys that a coach will tell a recruit that they are staying....because they all are....until they are not.

Anyone still remember Saban talking the last couple weeks before he took the Alabama job?

That being said, I think Sanford should stick around at least a year or two more to show growth and determination to do the job he has. Which will also lead him to better opportunities than some of the basement dwellers that are showing interest now.

I think that the Virginia job is a pretty good job. The ACC is weak, London did land some good recruits while he was there, and Virginia is in a good recruiting area.
 

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Again, cannot be emphasized enough, the only reason London landed the kids he did is because of what he did at Richmond and the fact that he's African American. All of those kids will be going to Virginia Tech or the SEC now... or even Maryland, Penn State, or other ACC schools that are a better cultural fit.
 

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If I remember correctly Sanford came to ND to work with and learn from BK. That tells me this guy has thought things through and is smart enough to know he has a lot more to learn in order to be a good HC. Take a HC position at a power 5 conference school with little experience and you set yourself up for failure. Once you fail at one school, you can't remove that from your resume.

Sanford doesn't strike me as a guy that is going to leave just yet. Just MO.
 

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Whether Virginia or somewhere else, if Sanford gets a P5 offer he'd be kind of nuts not to take it. If he doesn't, he should stay until he does. Probably won't be long.

Edit: I get what Lax and Irish#1 are saying, but how long would Sanford have to stay to get a P5 job that's better than bottom-of-the-barrel? Quality P5 programs tend to hire guys w/head coach experience, or very high-end/experienced coordinators, or stay in-house. Is he on the five year plan at ND?
 
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Whether Virginia or somewhere else, if Sanford gets a P5 offer he'd be kind of nuts not to take it. If he doesn't, he should stay until he does. Probably won't be long.

This is how many coaches end up killing their careers though. You're better off taking a Group of Five job with history of winning and good support than a Power 5 bottom dweller. Matt Campbell is absurd for taking the Iowa State job.

People really don't grasp how bad the UVA job is. It's like Michigan State, if Michigan State had no booster support and no history. So it's more like if Cincinnati got moved up to the Big Ten and had to compete with Ohio State + neighbors... but still probably with less funding/support.
 

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If I remember correctly Sanford came to ND to work with and learn from BK. That tells me this guy has thought things through and is smart enough to know he has a lot more to learn in order to be a good HC. Take a HC position at a power 5 conference school with little experience and you set yourself up for failure. Once you fail at one school, you can't remove that from your resume.

Sanford doesn't strike me as a guy that is going to leave just yet. Just MO.

Before this year, I thought BK was likely gone after the season. My vibe now -- especially with the way everyone is recruiting -- is that he really likes his situation and thinks he can win big with these QBs. Also, unlike with other players/teams that have been more frustrating than anything, I've heard from multiple places how much he respects the effort and tenacity of this team through all of the injuries and such. He seems genuinely proud of them. So I actually think he stays for a couple more years, despite some very good NFL offers in this cycle.

If you're Sanford and ND continues to dominate on offense, you're looking at ALWAYS having the ability take a "UVA" level job, and a high likelihood of being able to get something much better (even potentially the ND job). Remember, he's 33 and has plenty of time to build his career.
 
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