All Things Star Wars (No Spoilers)

[ACamp1900]

THAT is awesome!!


(no way you have 55 buddies).

 

[Cackalacky]

THAT is awesome!!


(no way you have 55 buddies).

I will have to make the drive up watch the movie and come back the next day. Haha. ROAD TRIP!!!!

 

[tussin]

Same. A Link to the Past isn't always favorably compared against the other titles, but it was one of my favorites too. Windwaker, on the other hand....75% of that game was ducking sailing. I wasn't really crazy about the cartoony artwork either.

According to who? Most game critics regard it as easily the best 2D Zelda and perhaps the best game overall in the series. I don't disagree with them either.

 

[ACamp1900]

Zelda games are for pussies...

and to further prove my manhood, I wonder if I can watch the new Star Wars movie the same way I watch ND football... alone in my den, sucking my thumb, curled up in a fetal position... #comforting

 

[GATTACA!]

Iron Man/Tony Stark is cooler than Bat Man/Bruce Wayne. Both have tons of money, sweet hideout, get all kinds of chicks, etc. Tony Stark is cockier though, and isn't depressed and brooding as much as Wayne...he's just drunk a lot. The Iron Man suit is just as bad ass or more so than Bat Man's little gadgets and toys.

On the flip side, Iron Man's enemies generally suck balls in comparison. You're not going to beat iconic bad guys like the Penguin, the Riddler, Two Face, and especially not the Joker.

Gotta disagree. Batman has built suits that are basically the same as the iron man suits, (see TDK, Kingdom Come, and the suit he just built for Gordon in the new 52), he just chooses not to use them all the time because he doesn't need them. Take Bruce and Tony out of their gear and Bruce kills Stark 100/100 times.

 

[Cackalacky]

This is the Star Wars thread Jackwagons....

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Star Wars: Episode VII

Star Wars: Episode VII

This is the Star Wars thread Jackwagons....

Get your geekdom in order gents! You wanna talk Batarangs, go to the superhero thread. You wanna talk Final Fantasy, go to the video game thread.

YOU WANNA TALK TRIBBLES? GO TO HELL!!!!!

 

[Buster Bluth]

Thoughts?

Absolutely No Machete Juggling » The Star Wars Saga: Introducing Machete Order

 

[Cackalacky]

Thoughts?

Absolutely No Machete Juggling » The Star Wars Saga: Introducing Machete Order

That is actually very neat. Definitely trying it. I never really thought Luke was on the path but the beginning of ROTJ definitely has those overtones.

 

[greyhammer90]

Thoughts?

Absolutely No Machete Juggling » The Star Wars Saga: Introducing Machete Order

A lot of work to justify including two movies that shouldn't be watched anyway. He's right that the entire prequel trilogy is unnecessary filler so why watch them at all? Watch the original trilogy.

 

[Buster Bluth]

A lot of work to justify including two movies that shouldn't be watched anyway. He's right that the entire prequel trilogy is unnecessary filler so why watch them at all? Watch the original trilogy.

Well, yeah. That's obviously a smart route too.

Does anyone think Disney is considering redoing the prequels? Saying "forget that happened" and starting over?

 

[Cackalacky]

Well, yeah. That's obviously a smart route too.

Does anyone think Disney is considering redoing the prequels? Saying "forget that happened" and starting over?

How much money would they be throwing away by shelving them?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Less than what they'd make by releasing three better ones and bringing in ~$5 billion.

 

[wizards8507]

Less than what they'd make by releasing three better ones and bringing in ~$5 billion.

Why? For the same production cost they can make 10, 11, and 12 without confusing anyone. If there's a shitty James Bond, they don't remake it, they just make a new, non shitty one.

 

[GATTACA!]

Why? For the same production cost they can make 10, 11, and 12 without confusing anyone. If there's a shitty James Bond, they don't remake it, they just make a new, non shitty one.

The Bond movies aren't really in sequential order, and none have been such a shit in the fan's mouth that they almost tainted the rest of the series.

I doubt it ever happens, but I think it would be a good idea. It would be a great way to galvanize fan support and make money. There are tons of guys like greyhammer that don't even want to consider the prequels cannon, fixing that big of a wrong might warm them up to the idea of Disney owning the franchise.

 

[wizards8507]

The Bond movies aren't really in sequential order, and none have been such a shit in the fan's mouth that they almost tainted the rest of the series.

I doubt it ever happens, but I think it would be a good idea. It would be a great way to galvanize fan support and make money. There are tons of guys like greyhammer that don't even want to consider the prequels cannon, fixing that big of a wrong might warm them up to the idea of Disney owning the franchise.

I think a quality Episode VII will take care of that. Remaking the prequels would certainly make lots of money, but not any more than just making quality NEW films.

 

[Cackalacky]

Less than what they'd make by releasing three better ones and bringing in ~$5 billion.

I guess.... I don't see SW like I see the MCU or Star Trek or James Bond even.... I don't think the arch will allow for a rewrite (or even ca complete detachment) of the prequel's intent. The SW story arch is really set up to allow for the story to be filled in and augmented like what they are doing with the animated series.

It is totally possible they go back and redo the entire prequels but I think it would just add to the confusion.

 

[Cackalacky]

The Bond movies aren't really in sequential order, and none have been such a shit in the fan's mouth that they almost tainted the rest of the series.

I doubt it ever happens, but I think it would be a good idea. It would be a great way to galvanize fan support and make money. There are tons of guys like greyhammer that don't even want to consider the prequels cannon, fixing that big of a wrong might warm them up to the idea of Disney owning the franchise.

Yep. The order of Bond movies are really irrelevant. The stories are basically excerpts of a continum and can occur any point in the life of Bond.

The SW arch is not like that at all.

 

[gkIrish]

I guarantee everyone is going to see Episode VII despite the prequels. So why would Disney feel compelled to go back and try to "make things right." The only incentive to do that would be to get back fans they lost due to the prequels. Greyhammer and others like him are still going to watch VII.

 

[ACamp1900]

This is the Star Wars thread Jackwagons....

Bond can infiltrate anything,....

 

[gkIrish]

I guarantee everyone is going to see Episode VII despite the prequels. So why would Disney feel compelled to go back and try to "make things right." The only incentive to do that would be to get back fans they lost due to the prequels. Greyhammer and others like him are still going to watch VII.

In addition, people are still going to watch Episode VIII if Episode VII sucks, and people will watch IX if VII and VIII suck.

Opening box office weekends:

TPM: $64,810,970
AOTC: $80,027,814
ROTS: $108,435,841

 

[Buster Bluth]

It is totally possible they go back and redo the entire prequels but I think it would just add to the confusion.

I think that depends on how much of the prequels are tied into the new trilogy (eg mentioning medichlorians (sp?), events of the prequels, etc). Otherwise I'm all for a prequel reboot.

Also I think it'd be interesting to consider going back to un-JarJar the prequels. He'd an animated character, couldn't you reanimated his appearance to something other than a walking clown amphibian (the other Gungans aren't so stupid looking and don't have the dips hit mannerisms) and redo his awful voice? It would take effort and skilled editing, but it would make Episode I so much more palatable IMO.

 

[ACamp1900]

On the bad side of Disney buying all this stuff: Disneyland will be replacing the back end of the park (petting zoo, country BBQ joint, kids play area)... with a "Star Wars Land"... that sucks, the BBQ joint was the only decent eatery in Disneyland (seriously the food at Disneyland sucks major butt) and I really like that area mid day as you could eat and then take a breath and it was much quieter there than the rest of the park. They should have just turned Tomorrow Land into a Star Wars area... whatever.

 

[Rhode Irish]

So here is my background with SW and then a question I have that maybe one of you expert guys can answer. I watched the trilogy originally in the mid nineties as a teenager. Then, when E1 was coming out, I watched the trilogy again. Then I went and watched E1 in the theater and reacted about the same way as anyone else, to the point that I actually gave up on the second and third prequel installments and never watched them or the original trilogy again until the last few weeks, when hype for E7 started getting turned up. (My recent rewatch was actually sparked by my wife expressing interest, but she fell asleep 25 minutes into E4 and I just burned through E5 and E6 without her.)

So in the past week, I watched E4-E6, then was about to give the prequels another shot just so I could be up-to-date all the way for when I see E7, but then I saw this Machete Order post, skipped E1 and watched E2 last night. I felt that the story for the original trilogy was pretty straightforward, but I had a hard time following a couple things in E2, and based on the Machete Order piece I don't think that is attributable to skipping E1. Here are some questions I have:

1. Who actually ordered the clone army? Obi-Wan is told that it was a now-dead Jedi, but the implication seems to be that it was actually Palpatine/Sidious.

2. Who is actually in control of the clone army? It seems like Dooku and Palpatine/Sidious are in league, but the battle between the Droids and Clones, Dooku is with the droids. If Palpatine/Sidious is behind the whole clone army thing, why does he allow Yoda to command the clone army against the droids/Dooku?

What am I missing with these two points? I know there is a whole series exploring the Clone Wars and maybe that would clear up my confusion, but I don't have the time or the patience to watch all of that stuff at this point. Can anybody clear that up for me before I watch E3 tonight (or will E3 clear that up? Seems odd that they would only explain it retroactively in a later film, so I assume I just missed a finer point of the story).

 

[Cackalacky]

So here is my background with SW and then a question I have that maybe one of you expert guys can answer. I watched the trilogy originally in the mid nineties as a teenager. Then, when E1 was coming out, I watched the trilogy again. Then I went and watched E1 in the theater and reacted about the same way as anyone else, to the point that I actually gave up on the second and third prequel installments and never watched them or the original trilogy again until the last few weeks, when hype for E7 started getting turned up. (My recent rewatch was actually sparked by my wife expressing interest, but she fell asleep 25 minutes into E4 and I just burned through E5 and E6 without her.)

So in the past week, I watched E4-E6, then was about to give the prequels another shot just so I could be up-to-date all the way for when I see E7, but then I saw this Machete Order post, skipped E1 and watched E2 last night. I felt that the story for the original trilogy was pretty straightforward, but I had a hard time following a couple things in E2, and based on the Machete Order piece I don't think that is attributable to skipping E1. Here are some questions I have:

1. Who actually ordered the clone army? Obi-Wan is told that it was a now-dead Jedi, but the implication seems to be that it was actually Palpatine/Sidious.

2. Who is actually in control of the clone army? It seems like Dooku and Palpatine/Sidious are in league, but the battle between the Droids and Clones, Dooku is with the droids. If Palpatine/Sidious is behind the whole clone army thing, why does he allow Yoda to command the clone army against the droids/Dooku?

What am I missing with these two points? I know there is a whole series exploring the Clone Wars and maybe that would clear up my confusion, but I don't have the time or the patience to watch all of that stuff at this point. Can anybody clear that up for me before I watch E3 tonight (or will E3 clear that up? Seems odd that they would only explain it retroactively in a later film, so I assume I just missed a finer point of the story).

1. Jedi Syfo-Dyas (Sifo-Dyas - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki - Wikia) ordered the Clone Army per the Kaminoans. Not sure if he really did nor not, bt he was killed by Dooku. Most likely Dooku placed the order posing as Syfo Dyas. I don't think it has been made clear.

2. Palpatine (I think) created the army so it would be in place once he took over the Senate and then the Republic and needed this never ending army to not only fight the Jedi but instill order in the new Empire. The thing with the Sith is there are supposed to only be 2, an apprentice and a master. The apprentice not only learns from the master but eventually should be able to over take him. If not the master finds another. So Palpatine DGAF about Dooku and pits him against the Jedi and Clones to spark the galactic wide war. Therefore once he takes control of the senate, blames the Jedi for trying to overthrow the government with the Clones, he can step in, take care of the separatists, kill the Jedi and he is now the leader of the empire with a fully operational standing army.(ETA: Palpatine actually is controlling both sides of the conflict. He is dictating the Separatists either directly or through Dooku, and the Clone Army and Republic as Chancellor. Not sure I made that clear).

Watching Episode III will tie up most of your questions in #2. #1 never gets tied up but yes it is assumed that Tyrannus (Dooku) actually placed the order on behalf of the JEdi ( but actually on the order of and to the benefit of Sidious).

 

[Cackalacky]

 

[tussin]

Isn't III generally considered to be above average to pretty good? I've heard some SW geeks compare it favorably to VI.

 

[ulukinatme]

Ewoks aside, VI is awesome. III, not so much, because it had too much lovey dovey bullshit that no one was buying, Grevious sucked, and...."Nooooooooo!!" Subsequently George decided to add the "Noooooo" to VI as well, bastardizing the original trilogy once again with his stupid meddling. Not to mentioning replacing Sebastian Shaw with Hayden at the very end, which was more bullshit.

 

[ACamp1900]

Ewoks aren't even that bad...

 

[ACamp1900]

Ewoks aside, VI is awesome. III, not so much, because it had too much lovey dovey bullshit that no one was buying, Grevious sucked, and...."Nooooooooo!!" Subsequently George decided to add the "Noooooo" to VI as well, bastardizing the original trilogy once again with his stupid meddling. Not to mentioning replacing Sebastian Shaw with Hayden at the very end, which was more bullshit.

I really hope Disney gets their hands on the original theatrical versions of IV, V and VI and remasters them for Blu Ray... I've said it before but the Jabba's Palace scene was one of the best 'dark' moments of the originals, the Lucas CGI redos turned that into a freaking cartoon scene that is basically worthless.