Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

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woolybug25

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I hate this thread. You know you're my homie, GK. So I'm not saying this to offend you or to act like BK is beyond reproach. But a lot of life is about timing.

Coming on the site with "negative analysis" about our coach the day after we beat our biggest rival, is well.... Bad timing.

I don't like the "use the ignore function" point either. Everyone has the right to the enjoyment of the site and we're all responsible for what we post and how we treat others.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball">@NDFootball</a> has won 8 gms over <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBrianKelly">@CoachBrianKelly</a> tenure when trailing after 3Q - only 4 FBS teams have won more over same span <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BertschyBits?src=hash">#BertschyBits</a></p>— Michael Bertsch (@NDsidBertschy) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDsidBertschy/status/655760046983278592">October 18, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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this game, like others have said before, shows the depth and program building that kelly has done.

Its like every win we get, the naysayers add another condition for why kelly should be fired.

I'm sure a lot of the negative nancies were sure that usc would beat us so they could beat that fire kelly drum, that didn't happen so they will look to the next scenario where they can bring out their doom and gloom.

Its gotta be a terrible way to watch a season of football.
 

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Brian Kelly Revisited 10-18-2015 10:09 AM gkIrish go away


I don't have a schtick or a problem with you. Just pointing out the obvious. Thanks for the neg reps. Sure you don't want to ban me?

Killing me! (in a good way)

You have me my third neg reps ever so I don't feel too bad. Didn't post about it publicly either. Enjoy the win.
 

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I hate this thread. You know you're my homie, GK. So I'm not saying this to offend you or to act like BK is beyond reproach. But a lot of life is about timing.

Coming on the site with "negative analysis" about our coach the day after we beat our biggest rival, is well.... Bad timing.

I don't like the "use the ignore function" point either. Everyone has the right to the enjoyment of the site and we're all responsible for what we post and how we treat others.

First of all did anyone read my post? I posted FIVE good things and only three bad things. I guess we aren't allowed to point out negative things if we win. Makes sense...

Second, Fbolt literally never says anything substantive. He comes in here and posts some stupid picture just to troll the thread. I'm tired of it. If he doesn't like the thread, he doesn't have to come here. I hate the Politics thread. I don't go in there and post a dumb picture everytime someone says something I disagree with. This board is generally exceptional because we have posters that engage in reasonable debate. Coming into a thread that you don't contribute to at all and just trolling is not what this board is about.
 

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We're going to be needing a new defensive coordinator.

Bvg is not the right guy, and definitely not the right scheme.
 

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So 10-2 is only successful if you use qualifiers?

10-2 wouldn't be successful if we played Iowa's schedule. It's slightly disappointing against our own schedule but I wouldn't call it unsuccessful. I say it's disappointing because it's unlikely we have an easier schedule in the next few years so we probably aren't going undefeated anytime soon.
 

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10-2 wouldn't be successful if we played Iowa's schedule. It's slightly disappointing against our own schedule but I wouldn't call it unsuccessful. I say it's disappointing because it's unlikely we have an easier schedule in the next few years so we probably aren't going undefeated anytime soon.

But you said if we finish 10-2 that you would think it was a successful season all things considered. What things do we have to consider to have 10-2 be successful?

If we had played Iowa's schedule, 10 wins would still be successful. It might be slightly disappointing, compared to what could have been, but it would still be 10 wins, and 10 wins is a successful season, no matter what.
 

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But you said if we finish 10-2 that you would think it was a successful season all things considered. What things do we have to consider to have 10-2 be successful?

If we had played Iowa's schedule, 10 wins would still be successful. It might be slightly disappointing, compared to what could have been, but it would still be 10 wins, and 10 wins is a successful season, no matter what.

All things considered mainly means the schedule. Not sure what interests you so much about the phrase. Our schedule kind of sucks. 9 wins would be disappointing.

If we lost 2 games against Iowa's schedule that would be awful. We are a lot better than Iowa and they will probably win 10 at a minimum.
 

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All things considered mainly means the schedule. Not sure what interests you so much about the phrase.

What interests me so much about the phrase is that I am left wondering if it is not looking for a reason not to count this season (assuming we get to 10 wins) as a successful one for Brian Kelly as a coach. I would say, all things considered(losing your first 2 tailbacks on the Spring depth chart, losing your starting QB, losing your starting TE, and losing a DT that was slated to be your starter), this season has been a masterful job of coaching and keeping the team focused and performing. Perhaps not performing perfectly, and certainly with some room for improvement, but performing at a 10 win level. The schedule is not nearly as strong as many thought it would be, but it's not terrible either. It's average. Winning 10 games against an average schedule is an accomplishment.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame has won 8 gms over <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBrianKelly">@CoachBrianKelly</a> tenure when trailing after 3Q - only 4 FBS teams have won more over same span <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BertschyBits?src=hash">#BertschyBits</a></p>— Michael Bertsch (@NDsidBertschy) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDsidBertschy/status/655790952221646849">October 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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You have me my third neg reps ever so I don't feel too bad. Didn't post about it publicly either. Enjoy the win.

If you recall, and clearly you do, it was because you threatened to ban someone with what I believed was no reason other than you had the authority.

Found my neg rep against you: Brian Kelly Revisited 09-19-2015 08:39 PM gkIrish bs power trip right there

And it was for this post: I'm going to continue to be as immature as you think I am and ban you if you don't just leave. You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Seriously leave this thread and never come back. It's not for you. Enjoy the win.

First of all did anyone read my post? I posted FIVE good things and only three bad things. I guess we aren't allowed to point out negative things if we win. Makes sense...

Second, Fbolt literally never says anything substantive. He comes in here and posts some stupid picture just to troll the thread. I'm tired of it. If he doesn't like the thread, he doesn't have to come here. I hate the Politics thread. I don't go in there and post a dumb picture everytime someone says something I disagree with. This board is generally exceptional because we have posters that engage in reasonable debate. Coming into a thread that you don't contribute to at all and just trolling is not what this board is about.

I don't troll threads IMO (haha, of course my opinion). I am a regular consumer of information. I've been here since '06 scouring up the good info and enjoy the site. I do post my analysis at times, concur with many posts, but truthfully, can't compete with the job that is done by a core group of posters. You seem to enjoy analyzing and I'm sure I have probably repped you in a positive fashion for that analysis. If you believed I was unfairly poking at you, apologies. I don't want controversy, I want happiness!
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame has won 8 gms over <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBrianKelly">@CoachBrianKelly</a> tenure when trailing after 3Q - only 4 FBS teams have won more over same span <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BertschyBits?src=hash">#BertschyBits</a></p>— Michael Bertsch (@NDsidBertschy) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDsidBertschy/status/655790952221646849">October 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Shouldn't have been trailing in the 3rd qtr in any of those games to begin with! Kelly is clearly pulling games out of his ass late in the contest!
 

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BK may not be the best coach in college football, but he's likely the best for ND at present. That team was mentally tough Saturday. A Weis/Willingham/Davie team would have folded in the 2nd half, but we sacked up and fought back.
 

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BK may not be the best coach in college football, but he's likely the best for ND at present. That team was mentally tough Saturday. A Weis/Willingham/Davie team would have folded in the 2nd half, but we sacked up and fought back.

This. I was born during the Holtz Administration, introduced to Notre Dame football during the Davie Reign, and been shown what a pain in the ass it is to be a Notre Dame fan during while Tyrone and Charlie were here.

I am confident with the direction of this football team. I feel like the defense has improved with Kelly, which was unexpected. I think they've actually started to develop an attitude. That beatdown by Bama was the best thing that has happened to this team in the last several years as I think it really opened some eyes to what is needed.
 
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I really struggle with why people think BK should be fired. ND is not OSU, FSU, Alabama, Michigan, etc... The success those teams see from coaching changes will NEVER happen with ND. ND is different, Stanford is different, Northwestern is different... These schools will never be football factories and as such, are lucky to have a coach like BK. He is the best guy for the job right now and nobody else is close IMO.

Does that mean he calls the best games all the times, not a chance. Does that mean he isn't deserving of criticism when he makes bonehead calls ala Clemson, no way! He makes me scream at the screen at times and his play calling at times makes me thing its amateur hour, but it doesn't matter, he has built a foundation that is VERY SOLID right now.

ND is lucky to have BK for as long as it lasts!
 

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Fbolt quoting gkirish
Seriously leave this thread and never come back. It's not for you. Enjoy the win.

Sad...

You know what's even more Sad? That over the past couple of years this site has turned into a forum of negative Nancy's. There are so many downer posters now that I almost dread reading anything other than recruiting profiles anymore. Seriously when did this shit happen?
 

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Good:

1) Our special teams units finally resemble those of other elite teams. Especially our punt return team.
2) The "Plan B" complaint I made in the OP hasn't been too bad since the Virginia game.
3) We finally came out swinging in the first quarter.
4) Time Management--didn't notice any problems against USC. Still have a long way to go in this aspect though.
5) Defensive line seemed to get a lot of pressure.

Bad:
1) Red Zone playcalling
2) Our defense is pretty bad overall. Way too many big plays. BVG was a bad hire. Don't think that's even debateable.
3) Joe Schmidt deserves his own line. Probably the biggest wtf of this staff

Looking Ahead:
Navy is the only team we've beat with less than 3 losses. Temple, Pitt, and Stanford will all be tough road games. If we go 4-1 the rest of the way I think we had a successful season all things considered. 9-3 won't warrant a "fire kelly" but I won't be happy. Our schedule just didn't turn out to be good enough to lose 3 games. 8-4 goodbye.

This seems to be a recurring theme this weekend. "Our schedule isn't very good." "Our schedule just didn't turn out to be good enough to lose 3 games." "Our schedule blah, blah, blah."

Funny that those forecasting doom preseason are now doing the backstroke pointing out that ND will only win 10 games because of a weak schedule and that the schedule hurts ND's chances of making playoffs.

The doomsters who forcast ND to 8-4 WITH A HEALTHY TEAM are now scrambling to re-align the tea leaves to justify their negativism. ND was supposed to lose to Texas, GT, Navy, CL, USC, and SU. Then came the avalanche of injuries to Starters and Two Deeps. Then we blew out Texas (who beat OU). Then we lost the Zaire, then Folston, then ...

The second half of the season was supposed to be a cakewalk with the exception of Stanford but both Temple and PITT have done well losing once between them and ND faces both of them on the road. ND's SOS will get tougher with Temple and PITT.


In another thread with a similar comment I posted earlier today concerning schedules. I repeat it here for those the don't peruse all the threads.


Yup, (we don't have wins over top ranked teams as pointed out by another poster) and we have ZERO wins over Div AA schools.

What we do have is the 23rd Toughest Schedule according to Sagarin. Tougher than most of the Top 25. ND has the 5th Toughest Schedule to date.

Top 25 with Toughest Schedules per Sagarin
Utah 6
ALA 7
UF 12
Stanford 21
Notre Dame 23
A&M 26
LSU 28
Cal 29
Mich 30
OU 31
IA 36
PITT 37
Clem 40
TCU 52
MSU 57
OKS 62
FSU 66
MISS 67
OSU 68
Memphis 72
Duke 104
BU 105
Toledo 113
Temple 125
Hou 130


ND Opponents who have "underachieved" playing tougher schedules than all but 2 Top 25 teams .

Texas 1
GT 9
Southern Cal 11
 

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Fbolt quoting gkirish


Sad...

You know what's even more Sad? That over the past couple of years this site has turned into a forum of negative Nancy's. There are so many downer posters now that I almost dread reading anything other than recruiting profiles anymore. Seriously when did this shit happen?

^This...IE is becoming NDNation 2.0
 

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This seems to be a recurring theme this weekend. "Our schedule isn't very good." "Our schedule just didn't turn out to be good enough to lose 3 games." "Our schedule blah, blah, blah."

Funny that those forecasting doom preseason are now doing the backstroke pointing out that ND will only win 10 games because of a weak schedule and that the schedule hurts ND's chances of making playoffs.

The doomsters who forcast ND to 8-4 WITH A HEALTHY TEAM are now scrambling to re-align the tea leaves to justify their negativism. ND was supposed to lose to Texas, GT, Navy, CL, USC, and SU. Then came the avalanche of injuries to Starters and Two Deeps. Then we blew out Texas (who beat OU). Then we lost the Zaire, then Folston, then ...

The second half of the season was supposed to be a cakewalk with the exception of Stanford but both Temple and PITT have done well losing once between them and ND faces both of them on the road. ND's SOS will get tougher with Temple and PITT.


In another thread with a similar comment I posted earlier today concerning schedules. I repeat it here for those the don't peruse all the threads.

Great post BGIF...reps
 

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First of all did anyone read my post? I posted FIVE good things and only three bad things. I guess we aren't allowed to point out negative things if we win. Makes sense...

Second, Fbolt literally never says anything substantive. He comes in here and posts some stupid picture just to troll the thread. I'm tired of it. If he doesn't like the thread, he doesn't have to come here. I hate the Politics thread. I don't go in there and post a dumb picture everytime someone says something I disagree with. This board is generally exceptional because we have posters that engage in reasonable debate. Coming into a thread that you don't contribute to at all and just trolling is not what this board is about.


You contradicted yourself regarding "reasonable debate" in your USC postgame comment about BVG. "Don't even think that's debateable." Your "reasonable" apparently means as long as one agrees with you. That is what you meant, wasn't it. And one again you felt obliged to pile on Schmidt. No he's not the most talented player out there but NOBODY HAS BEATEN HIM OUT.

Then you object to Wooly's comment and FBolt's comment (a picture is worth a thousand words so they say) which was appropos although you didn't think so you launched into a diatribe about FBolt's history (your version of it anyway) and whinned about you don't like the political threads . WTF did that have to do with anything except underscore your pique? BTW, FBolt followed ND football and posted here from halfway around the world 12 hours out of sync with ND game times. His posts don't tend to be long but usually are poignant. Like in this thread.

There is a Game Thread every week and a Post Game Thread every week you could have posted your USC good and bad lists there like most people but you chose to put it in YOUR bitch thread (Go read the first sentence in you O.P., remember, "I'm just going to post a bunch of random negative thoughts about BK.") Your theme (negative) was captured perfectly by FBolt's pic.

I believe this is my first post in your thread as I abhor constant whiners as I have for the 10 years I've been on this board including my two stints as a moderator. If I was a mod I would have sent you a PM not made a public post about your posting history. I guess different moderators have different approaches. BTW, why don't you actually be a moderator and change the title to something honest like "gk's Bitch thread".
 

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You contradicted yourself regarding "reasonable debate" in your USC postgame comment about BVG. "Don't even think that's debateable." Your "reasonable" apparently means as long as one agrees with you. That is what you meant, wasn't it. And one again you felt obliged to pile on Schmidt. No he's not the most talented player out there but NOBODY HAS BEATEN HIM OUT.

Then you object to Wooly's comment and FBolt's comment (a picture is worth a thousand words so they say) which was appropos although you didn't think so you launched into a diatribe about FBolt's history (your version of it anyway) and whinned about you don't like the political threads . WTF did that have to do with anything except underscore your pique? BTW, FBolt followed ND football and posted here from halfway around the world 12 hours out of sync with ND game times. His posts don't tend to be long but usually are poignant. Like in this thread.

There is a Game Thread every week and a Post Game Thread every week you could have posted your USC good and bad lists there like most people but you chose to put it in YOUR bitch thread (Go read the first sentence in you O.P., remember, "I'm just going to post a bunch of random negative thoughts about BK.") Your theme (negative) was captured perfectly by FBolt's pic.

I believe this is my first post in your thread as I abhor constant whiners as I have for the 10 years I've been on this board including my two stints as a moderator. If I was a mod I would have sent you a PM not made a public post about your posting history. I guess different moderators have different approaches. BTW, why don't you actually be a moderator and change the title to something honest like "gk's Bitch thread".

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You contradicted yourself regarding "reasonable debate" in your USC postgame comment about BVG. "Don't even think that's debateable." Your "reasonable" apparently means as long as one agrees with you. That is what you meant, wasn't it. And one again you felt obliged to pile on Schmidt. No he's not the most talented player out there but NOBODY HAS BEATEN HIM OUT.

Then you object to Wooly's comment and FBolt's comment (a picture is worth a thousand words so they say) which was appropos although you didn't think so you launched into a diatribe about FBolt's history (your version of it anyway) and whinned about you don't like the political threads . WTF did that have to do with anything except underscore your pique? BTW, FBolt followed ND football and posted here from halfway around the world 12 hours out of sync with ND game times. His posts don't tend to be long but usually are poignant. Like in this thread.

There is a Game Thread every week and a Post Game Thread every week you could have posted your USC good and bad lists there like most people but you chose to put it in YOUR bitch thread (Go read the first sentence in you O.P., remember, "I'm just going to post a bunch of random negative thoughts about BK.") Your theme (negative) was captured perfectly by FBolt's pic.

I believe this is my first post in your thread as I abhor constant whiners as I have for the 10 years I've been on this board including my two stints as a moderator. If I was a mod I would have sent you a PM not made a public post about your posting history. I guess different moderators have different approaches. BTW, why don't you actually be a moderator and change the title to something honest like "gk's Bitch thread".



+1,000,000
 

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To reduce tension:

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lol watched the MSU-UM game here in Dublin with my wife (MSU alum) we nearly roared the house down at the end we were celebrating so much. Immediately rang her sister (MSU fan) and her husband (MSU alum) to celebrate with them and of course they had turned the game off after MSU's last turnover on downs and thus, missed the finish. They are terrible losers lol and did the same thing mid way through back during the Cotton Bowl game vs Baylor last January :D
 

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What interests me so much about the phrase is that I am left wondering if it is not looking for a reason not to count this season (assuming we get to 10 wins) as a successful one for Brian Kelly as a coach. I would say, all things considered(losing your first 2 tailbacks on the Spring depth chart, losing your starting QB, losing your starting TE, and losing a DT that was slated to be your starter), this season has been a masterful job of coaching and keeping the team focused and performing. Perhaps not performing perfectly, and certainly with some room for improvement, but performing at a 10 win level. The schedule is not nearly as strong as many thought it would be, but it's not terrible either. It's average. Winning 10 games against an average schedule is an accomplishment.

Let's not let facts get in the way. lol
 

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Fbolt quoting gkirish


Sad...

You know what's even more Sad? That over the past couple of years this site has turned into a forum of negative Nancy's. There are so many downer posters now that I almost dread reading anything other than recruiting profiles anymore. Seriously when did this shit happen?


When Brian Kelly raised the level of expectations of ND football after the previous dumpster fire of coaches that preceded him...
 

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I don't like how this thread has become a week-to-week evaluation of BK. I've personally refrained from posting over the last couple of games to regain some perspective. It's now the bye week so with that said:

As with any staff, you will have some doubts and questions, but what BK and his staff have done as a whole up to this point in the season is nothing short of phenomenal. Again, there are numerous times when you can question play-calling, etc but this team has one loss (a last second loss at that, on the road, to a top 6 team). They went 3-1 against GT, Navy, USC, and @Clemson. It's hard to ask for much better than that. Give the staff a ton of credit.

This team still has every opportunity to finish strong against what's become a back-loaded schedule. Coming off a bye week, I look for this team to be re-energized and focused on finishing strong. Here's hoping they do.
 

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I wasn't even going to respond because most of this is ridiculous but whatever.

You contradicted yourself regarding "reasonable debate" in your USC postgame comment about BVG. "Don't even think that's debateable." Your "reasonable" apparently means as long as one agrees with you. That is what you meant, wasn't it.

Your takeaway from "Don't even think that's debateable" is that I'm not open to reasonable debate? Of all the posts in this thread, that's the one you want to pick out to show I've contradicted myself? I could go back and quote the half dozen times I've specifically thanked people who posted substantively in this thread (kmoose is the best example) who disagreed with me. I've repped a lot of people with opposing viewpoints. But because I get mad at someone who never comes in here other than to troll I somehow am not open to reasonable debate. Got it....

And one again you felt obliged to pile on Schmidt. No he's not the most talented player out there but NOBODY HAS BEATEN HIM OUT.

There are plenty of people who agree with me. Is Joe your child that you feel the need to defend him from some guy on the Internet pointing out that he isn't a good football player?

Then you object to Wooly's comment and FBolt's comment (a picture is worth a thousand words so they say) which was appropos although you didn't think so you launched into a diatribe about FBolt's history (your version of it anyway) and whinned about you don't like the political threads . WTF did that have to do with anything except underscore your pique? BTW, FBolt followed ND football and posted here from halfway around the world 12 hours out of sync with ND game times. His posts don't tend to be long but usually are poignant. Like in this thread.

The point about politics threads is an example of a thread I vehemently hate but I just CHOOSE NOT TO GO TO IT. How fucking difficult is it for people to just ignore threads they think are stupid or pointless? Instead of posting a huge picture that slows down everyone's load times Fbolt (and anyone else that doesn't like this thread) can just not post in it. This thread is for people that want to discuss Kelly's performance after every game win or lose, good or bad. It's not for someone to come in here after wins (i.e. mick something) to mock people on the other side of the debate. I didn't do it after the Clemson loss and I won't be doing it if we lose again.

There is a Game Thread every week and a Post Game Thread every week you could have posted your USC good and bad lists there like most people but you chose to put it in YOUR bitch thread (Go read the first sentence in you O.P., remember, "I'm just going to post a bunch of random negative thoughts about BK.") Your theme (negative) was captured perfectly by FBolt's pic.

The full quote is "I'm just going to post a bunch of random negative thoughts about BK in this post but feel free to use this as a place to talk about him good or bad." Thanks for picking and choosing.

I chose to put it in this thread because there is an ongoing discussion about BK's performance. I want to be able to go back and track my thoughts in one thread. Is that so unreasonable? I don't want to have to go back and search through every Post Game thread. I'm such a bitch for wanting to do that.

I believe this is my first post in your thread as I abhor constant whiners as I have for the 10 years I've been on this board including my two stints as a moderator. If I was a mod I would have sent you a PM not made a public post about your posting history. I guess different moderators have different approaches. BTW, why don't you actually be a moderator and change the title to something honest like "gk's Bitch thread".

I abhor people that lack any objectivity and can't handle one iota of negativity without resorting to name calling and posts like yours. I hope your first post in this thread is your last.

Sincerely,

IE's Bitch
 
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