'13 OH QB Malik Zaire (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[GrangerIrish24]

That chart is great. Poor Tommy.

 

[ulukinatme]

That chart is great. Poor Tommy.

Yeah, he wasn't exactly in a great position coming in as a pocket passer in a Spread Offense, but thank the Reesus for Tommy. BK might be canned by now if we had to rely on Dayne, Hendrix, and Nate Montana to lead the team from 2010-2013.

 

[pkt77242]

Someone else can do the math, but I seriously don't think it's going to add up to 5.8 yards a carry for Dayne in 2010 if you take out the sacks. Trust me when I say most of BK's QBs at ND have sucked when it came to running Read Option. It must be a tough thing to coach because Zaire is by far the QB I've seen (Based on 2014 and Spring Games) that has been most consistent with reading the edge properly and getting yards.

I think you would be surprised, but I won't be able to do that till tonight. Wasn't Crist hurt on a 29 yard scramble that year? I don't think that Crist was a great runner but he was competent at it. Also against Michigan that year he was credited with 4 carries for 19 yards, but one was a sack for a loss of 11 yards, which means that he has 3 carries for 30 yards. I think he was better at running then you remember.


ETA: Not to say that he was a great runner or anything close to Zaire, just that you are underrating him as a runner.

Also the 2nd play on this video is when he got hurt. Not a bad run.

 

[koonja]

One more game week players thread bump and I'm finding new friends!

 

[woolybug25]

One more game week players thread bump and I'm finding new friends!

Did you ever find any to begin with?

 

[BGIF]

Someone else can do the math, but I seriously don't think it's going to add up to 5.8 yards a carry for Dayne in 2010 if you take out the sacks. Trust me when I say most of BK's QBs at ND have sucked when it came to running Read Option. It must be a tough thing to coach because Zaire is by far the QB I've seen (Based on 2014 and Spring Games) that has been most consistent with reading the edge properly and getting yards.

In '10 Crist Season Rushing Stats were: 52 attempts, 74 yds, 1.42 ypa. His most yds in a game were 25 on 10 attempts against Navy. I believe Sacks are included as he's listed rushing 10 times for minus 17 yds, -4.25 ypa against Stanford.

Passing Crist threw 294 times, 59% completion, 2033 yds, 6.9 ypa.

His Total plays 52 + 294 = 346 same as the graphic.

As a team in '10 ND ranked 92nd with 129 ypg.

 

[Irish Insanity]

#Malik

 

[ulukinatme]

I think you would be surprised, but I won't be able to do that till tonight. Wasn't Crist hurt on a 29 yard scramble that year? I don't think that Crist was a great runner but he was competent at it. Also against Michigan that year he was credited with 4 carries for 19 yards, but one was a sack for a loss of 11 yards, which means that he has 3 carries for 30 yards. I think he was better at running then you remember.


ETA: Not to say that he was a great runner or anything close to Zaire, just that you are underrating him as a runner.

Also the 2nd play on this video is when he got hurt. Not a bad run.

I never said he was a bad runner, just that he couldn't run the Read Option. In both examples Crist kind of takes off because receivers are either covered or he saw a hole. He wasn't as good as Golson at scrambling when a play breaks down, but he was decent at times. I remember in '09 when Crist had a great run against Washington State, I think that was when Clausen had the turf toe. Regardless, the numbers that were posted by USA Today were incorrect above and misleading. On designed QB runs Zaire is still better, and he's still the only QB we've had under BK that has done a good job of reading the edge.

 

[BGIF]

I never said he was a bad runner, just that he couldn't run the Read Option. In both examples Crist kind of takes off because receivers are either covered or he saw a hole. He wasn't as good as Golson at scrambling when a play breaks down, but he was decent at times. I remember in '09 when Crist had a great run against Washington State, I think that was when Clausen had the turf toe. Regardless, the numbers that were posted by USA Today were incorrect above and misleading. On designed QB runs Zaire is still better, and he's still the only QB we've had under BK that has done a good job of reading the edge.

Crist was a good runner, healthy, and thrower and would have done better in the offense Quinn ran. Crist could run designed plays like a QB Draw but faced with split second decisions with Read Option and passing progressions he suffered "paralysis by analysis". He was smart enough to read defenders but I suspect he was evaluating (thinking) about the choice. Instead of Read And React, he was Read And Recompute Then React. By the time he made his decision the window of opportunity closed down or at least was lessened.

 

[ulukinatme]

Crist was a good runner, healthy, and thrower and would have done better in the offense Quinn ran. Crist could run designed plays like a QB Draw but faced with split second decisions with Read Option and passing progressions he suffered "paralysis by analysis". He was smart enough to read defenders but I suspect he was evaluating (thinking) about the choice. Instead of Read And React, he was Read And Recompute Then React. By the time he made his decision the window of opportunity closed down or at least was lessened.

Well said. I was really pulling for him after the heart he showed coming back in 2010 in that Michigan game, but the combination of knee injuries and mental issues I think really hurt his game.

 

[Redbar]

"You could only really feel like a rookie in my opinion if you're not prepared, if you aren't confident in what you're doing," Zaire said. "That's in my mind a rookie mentality where you're unsure of things. I've been able to be decisive in practice and harp on things that we're really trying to work on our gameplan and go out there and play."

C'mon Saturday!

 

[IrishSteelhead]

'13 OH QB Malik Zaire (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

I don't quite understand that chart. It says MZ ran 48.5% of the time. No way he ran that much. It can't be just running plays either, since the other percentages (TR 2.5%) are so low? If so, wouldn't that mean the team ran the ball almost half of the time MZ was in, and only 3 times out of 100 when TR was in? What am I missing?

*He threw 20 passes against USC, and ran 6 times. Dunno how many times he handed off.

He threw 15 passes against LSU, and ran 22 times. Dunno how many times he handed off.

(Nevermind. That probably roughly translates to 48%. Time to sober up)

 

[Irish Insanity]

Yahoo ranks all top 128 QBs
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...ll-s-quarterbacks-ranked-1-128-185449884.html

27. Malik Zaire, Notre Dame

With Everett Golson off to Florida State, Zaire is the unquestioned starter in South Bend. The sample size is limited, but all signs point to a huge year for the sophomore.

 

[ulukinatme]

No posts in this thread? Thought at least a few people may eat some crow. I thought Zaire looked great today. 19 of 22, and two of those were drops by Jones and Smythe. He played a great game, made a couple mistakes maybe in the Option, but it was tough to tell because Texas tried to bring a lot of pressure at times and that affected the run.

Malik does such a better job going through his progressions than Golson ever did. He was very patient in the pocket, and I think he made Texas pay for saying he was a glorified running back.

 

[BGIF]

19-22, 86.4%, Second most efficient Passing Stat in ND history. #1 Steve Beuerlein, 10-11, .909

313 yds, 5th ND QB to throw for 300 yds in an Opener.

QB Eff Rating 250.

14.2 yd/Attempt In ND Top 5.

16.5 yd/Completion

Hit 7 different receivers, 5 of which had completions of 17 yds or longer.

NO TURNOVERS

He used his pass protection to find the play and when he saw it, he executed ... swiftly.

 

[nvirish]

I really enjoyed watching him last night. Hell of a game!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

When Malik was coming out of high school, he played in the Semper Fi game. I knew a Marine who was involved in the bowl, and he had a chance to spend some time with, and get to know Malik. He said everyone from the Corps had a hard on about getting Malik into a reserve officer training program, with OCS and a commission after graduating from ND. The guy said to me that Malik is not only the guy you want on your team, but the skipper you want at the helm! No bout a doubt it. Guy that I trust said he had the skills, attitude, and intelligence to dominate as quarterback at ND. Before he even was out of high school. An opinion that counts from someone that has been there!

I always believe that Malik put pressure on other quarterbacks in the program. I think they all saw what he was going to become. I know I got laughed at when I said it, but I still thought that Kiel saw Malik's talent ahead of him at third team, and figured he would be best to move.

Now we are starting to see why.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Bring back
JoJoBlack

 

[pumpdog20]

Great game, just learn to throw it away sometimes.

 

[wizards8507]

Great game, just learn to throw it away sometimes.

Yup, even if it's a designed run. Throw it away instead of losing four yards.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Yup, even if it's a designed run. Throw it away instead of losing four yards.

Exactly. Just a few mental items to clean-up.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I assumed that throwing it away on a designed run would mean that guys would be downfield. I didn't think he had an option on that roll left.

 

[NDALA]

Malik was awesome last night hopefully this was just a preview.

 

[kmoose]

When Malik was coming out of high school, he played in the Semper Fi game. I knew a Marine who was involved in the bowl, and he had a chance to spend some time with, and get to know Malik. He said everyone from the Corps had a hard on about getting Malik into a reserve officer training program, with OCS and a commission after graduating from ND.

Why would he go to OCS, after being commissioned through ROTC?

 

[BleedBlue&Gold]

Love this kid!!!! love this o-line, let's take it 1 week at a time we'll be fine.

 

[ulukinatme]

Bring back
JoJoBlack

Jojo isn't actually banned, at least it doesn't say he is. It may have been temporary. I would like to see what he has to say, I don't think his posts were that inflammatory if you go back and read them. I was down with Malik back then too.

 

[bkess8]

My favorite play of the whole game by MZ was the 66 yard TD pass to Fuller. It wasn't the throw or how he stood tall in the pocket and went through his progressions, it was after the play was all over and MZ was sprinting to the end zone to celebrate with his teammate. We need the kind of fire, swagger, and excitement that MZ brings to the field! I was also paying close attention to his interaction with BK on the sidelines when things were good and bad. I loved how MZ would look that man in the eyes and pay attention to what BK was saying, I also appreciated how MZ provided feed back to BK so it would benefit both of them going forward in the game!

It's going to be a fun season gentlemen! GO IRISH!

 

[BobbyMac]

Jojo isn't actually banned, at least it doesn't say he is. It may have been temporary. I would like to see what he has to say, I don't think his posts were that inflammatory if you go back and read them. I was down with Malik back then too.

He said and I quote.... "I told your azz!"

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Why would he go to OCS, after being commissioned through ROTC?

My statement was awkward, but technically correct. Sorry!

There are three paths to becoming a Marine Officer as I understand it; Annapolis, ROTC with summer OCS, or OCS after college graduation. If a candidate completes an Marine ROTC program, that Marine still attends OCS in two summer six week sessions. The third options is the one for the gun, ten week course :

The United States Marine Corps Officer Candidates School (OCS) is the entry-level training for Marine officers, equivalent to recruit training for enlisted Marines. Located at Marine Corps Base Quantico, the school trains, screens, and evaluates potential Marine Corps officers. Unlike the other United States military services, the majority of Marine Corps officers complete OCS to earn a commission; the exceptions are midshipmen from the United States Naval Academy, limited duty officers, and inter-service transfers.

Depending on the course, Officer Candidates go through either a 10-week (PLC Combined/OCC),or two 6-week courses (PLC) over separate summers, designed primarily to screen and evaluate candidates' fitness to lead Marines by placing them in leadership positions in a stressful environment. Students are evaluated during 2-3 day garrison command billets at the company and platoon level, and squad and fire-team level tactical billets during field exercises.

I don't want to go out on a limb, but I think that those that complete their commission at the US Naval Academy, still do part of the regiment as an elective part of their program. I would need to talk to someone familiar with this, I have been out of the loop too long.

 

[kmoose]

My statement was awkward, but technically correct. Sorry!

Actually, it wasn't:

everyone from the Corps had a hard on about getting Malik into a reserve officer training program, with OCS and a commission after graduating from ND.

You don't go through 4 years of ROTC, graduate, and then go to OCS.

It looks more like this:

No matter which participating NROTC college or university you choose to attend, the benefits of becoming a Marine-option Midshipman in the NROTC program are manifold. Here's what you can expect:

As a Marine-Option Midshipman, your initial responsibility will be to successfully manage the college course load required to earn your bachelor's degree at the educational institution of your choosing. Additionally, you must complete courses that cover naval science, ethics, management and the history of warfare.
You will spend the summer after your freshman year participating in a four-week "cruise," where you'll learn about the history, capabilities and missions of the United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps. Three of the four weeks are primarily Navy-focused instruction (one week aboard a ship, one week learning about air warfare and one week learning about underwater warfare). The fourth week is Marine focused and takes place at Camp Lejeune, NC, for students enrolled east of the Mississippi River and Camp Pendleton, CA, for students enrolled west of the Mississippi.
During the summer after their sophomore year, Marine-Option Midshipmen are encouraged to participate in a summer cruise that emphasizes different aspects of Marine Corps life and training. Many Marine-Option Midshipmen go to the Mountain Warfare Training Center in Bridgeport, CA, where you will learn high-altitude and cold-weather movement and survival techniques.
During your third summer enrolled in the program, you will spend six weeks in Quantico, VA, attending Marine Officer Candidates School—the ultimate test of everything the NROTC program has prepared you for. Designed to screen and evaluate your leadership skills, academic abilities and physical fitness, OCS is the mental and physical proving grounds for those who seek to lead Marines.
After graduating college and successfully completing OCS and the NROTC program, you will earn a commission as a second lieutenant in the United States Marine Corps.