A Song of Ice and Fire (Spoilers! Only enter if you have read all books)

[Whiskeyjack]

Got it. Thank you!
So Jaime came out before Cersie?

Cersei to Eddard in Chapter 45 of GoT:

Jaime and I are more than brother and sister. We are one person in two bodies. We shared a womb together. He came into this world holding my foot, our old maester said.

So Jaime is the younger twin.

 

[Irish YJ]

are we sure it was really her foot

 

[wizards8507]

Cersei to Eddard in Chapter 45 of GoT:

So Jaime is the younger twin.

That doesn't prove anything. We have no evidence of the propensity of breach delivery in Westeros.

 

[mgriff]

Maggie the Frog was also the woman who was in S5E01 when Cersei had her flashback.

Jamie is definitely the Valonquar.

 

[mgriff]

That doesn't prove anything. We have no evidence of the propensity of breach delivery in Westeros.

Jaime Lannister - A Wiki of Ice and Fire - A Song of Ice and Fire & Game of Thrones

"He is the second child and first-born son of Lord Tywin Lannister of Casterly Rock and his wife Lady Joanna, also of House Lannister. He is the twin brother of Queen Cersei Lannister."

 

[wizards8507]

Jaime Lannister - A Wiki of Ice and Fire - A Song of Ice and Fire & Game of Thrones

"He is the second child and first-born son of Lord Tywin Lannister of Casterly Rock and his wife Lady Joanna, also of House Lannister. He is the twin brother of Queen Cersei Lannister."

Again, that's not proof of anything. That same wiki desribes Jon Snow as "the bastard son of Eddard Stark."

 

[phork]

Again, that's not proof of anything. That same wiki desribes Jon Snow as "the bastard son of Eddard Stark."

And he is, as far as anyone knows at this point.

 

[mgriff]

Again, that's not proof of anything. That same wiki desribes Jon Snow as "the bastard son of Eddard Stark."

It's your prerogative to believe what you want.

 

[gkIrish]

That doesn't prove anything. We have no evidence of the propensity of breach delivery in Westeros.

Wizard is right to an extent in that the quoted language doesn't specify whether he come out holding on to Cersei's leg (while Cersei was still in the womb) or she came out and he was dragged out while holding on to her.

Obviously the likelihood is that he was the second child but it's not completely clear.

 

[Emcee77]

It's not a very likely scenario. I'm meant to buy that Joanna Lannister survived a breech delivery of TWINS ... but died bearing a singleton dwarf? Not impossible, but certainly implausible, and it would have to be based on some extraordinary complications during Tyrion's childbirth that we don't know about. It would be too much of a come-out-of-nowhere thing to be good writing, in my opinion, so I hope GRRM isn't going that route.

Anyway, I think wizards was kidding.

 

[wizards8507]

It's not a very likely scenario though. I'm meant to buy that Joanna Lannister survived a breech delivery of TWINS ... but died bearing a singleton dwarf? Not impossible, but certainly implausible, and it would have to be based on some extraordinary complications during Tyrion's childbirth that we don't know about. It would too much of a come-out-of-nowhere thing to be good writing, in my opinion, so I hope GRRM isn't going that route.

Doesn't Tyrion have a giant head?

Anyway, I think wizards was kidding.

Yeah, mostly.

 

[wizards8507]

I'll share interesting tidbits as I read through The World of Ice and Fire.

There are thousands of Valyrian steel blades in the world, but only 227 in the Seven Kingdoms, many of those lost.

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[Irish YJ]

I'll share interesting tidbits as I read through The World of Ice and Fire.

There are thousands of Valyrian steel blades in the world, but only 227 in the Seven Kingdoms, many of those lost.

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so not that rare then. I was curious. only took me 2 minutes to find Valyrian steel on ebay. for a little over $200, you too could have one. after all, winter is coming.

Game of Thrones Robb Stark's King of The North Sword Valyrian Steel HBO New | eBay

 

[phork]

I'll share interesting tidbits as I read through The World of Ice and Fire.

There are thousands of Valyrian steel blades in the world, but only 227 in the Seven Kingdoms, many of those lost.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 using Tapatalk.

I don't believe it unless I see proof.

 

[mgriff]

I don't believe it unless I see proof.

Maester Yandel is an unreliable narrator.

 

[woolybug25]

Maester Yandel is an unreliable narrator.

Any chance you can change your sig? It's extremely large and really isn't that funny after the first time you see it. Really just an eyesore.

I chuckled the first time, mind.

 

[IrishLion]

Maester Yandel is an unreliable narrator.

If you look closely at Yandel's dedication to Tommen in the book, it actually appears that he simply faded out Joffrey's name and regifted the book to Tommen.

Unreliable AND cheap.

 

[mgriff]

Any chance you can change your sig? It's extremely large and really isn't that funny after the first time you see it. Really just an eyesore.

I chuckled the first time, mind.

*SIGH* Fine!

 

[ACamp1900]

I haven't seen signs in many moons, it's easy to block them guys....

 

[mgriff]

 

[woolybug25]

I haven't seen signs in many moons, it's easy to block them guys....

You don't see the signs? Open up your eyes, man.

Signs... Signs... Everywhere there's signs...

 

[IrishLion]

Imgur

 

[ACamp1900]

Sigs damnit!!! Sigs!!!

 

[IrishLion]

I don't know what this website is, but people share things from it on my Facebook feed all the time.

So, I choose to be 100% optimistic in regards to the following:

Sounds Like George R.R. Martin Has Finished ‘Winds Of Winter’

 

[IrishinTN]

I don't know what this website is, but people share things from it on my Facebook feed all the time.

So, I choose to be 100% optimistic in regards to the following:

Sounds Like George R.R. Martin Has Finished ‘Winds Of Winter’

 

[GATTACA!]

I don't know what this website is, but people share things from it on my Facebook feed all the time.

So, I choose to be 100% optimistic in regards to the following:

Sounds Like George R.R. Martin Has Finished ‘Winds Of Winter’

This was redacted last week

Turns out he was talking about a S6 script

 

[IrishLion]

This was redacted last week

Turns out he was talking about a S6 script

The article touches on that. It takes the cynical stance like, "suuuuuure he's going to tell us that it was a season 6 outline and not the book now."

The argument was that he simply gave a direct "yes" when asked if he'd read an advance copy of the book, and that he would have realized his mistake originally and wouldn't have had to backpedal after the fact if it weren't true.

 

[GATTACA!]

The article touches on that. It takes the cynical stance like, "suuuuuure he's going to tell us that it was a season 6 outline and not the book now."

The argument was that he simply gave a direct "yes" when asked if he'd read an advance copy of the book, and that he would have realized his mistake originally and wouldn't have had to backpedal after the fact if it weren't true.

I like your optimism but I'll believe it when I see it.

Also I find it odd he would be important enough to get his hands on a preview copy. I don't think they will just be handing those babies out.

 

[mgriff]

The article touches on that. It takes the cynical stance like, "suuuuuure he's going to tell us that it was a season 6 outline and not the book now."

The argument was that he simply gave a direct "yes" when asked if he'd read an advance copy of the book, and that he would have realized his mistake originally and wouldn't have had to backpedal after the fact if it weren't true.

Ah, you have hope. Abandon all hope ye who enter here.

 

[IrishLion]

Oh I know with 100% certainty that I should abandon all hope.

But I CHOOSE to be optimistic because I love pain and misery. I'm an ND fan.