'16 IN DE Auston Robertson (MSU Verbal)

[connor_in]

Did I see correctly that this is recruit #15 for MSU this cycle, 2016?

And they have a shot at possibly 2 more tomorrow?

 

[BobbyMac]

Losing to of the best defensive players in the midwest to MSU is pretty damn sad.

Where did AJ Epenesa verbal to??? NO!!!!!!!!

 

[dad4aa]

Did I see correctly that this is recruit #15 for MSU this cycle, 2016?

And they have a shot at possibly 2 more tomorrow?

That's what I saw...and OSU has 16 recruits

 

[BobbyMac]

There is a lot of truth to it and a lot of neg recruiting against ND.

...and that works against kids who are borderline cases and have NO confidence in themselves to make it academically at ND.

I would love to look those kids in the eye and tell them, "Your new coach told you about the Frozen Five because he thinks that you'd have to cheat to get through Notre Dame. Have fun the next four years with a guy who just told you you're too dumb to play at ND... and you agreed with him so in a way, he's right."

If you're lucky, you get one chance in life to challenge yourself at a school that completely changes your life forever. I passed on Princeton & Harvard for what I thought was a better athletic situation and kick myself everyday I see a kid do the same. It's the absolute definition of foolishness.

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[Luckylucci]

Fallout from the frozen five?

Yes but not solely that. It was two years in a row of kicking out some of our best players. MSU can pitch how they "protect" their players from that. It essentially villainizes ND using, what should be our upperhand, academics against us.

 

[BobbyMac]

We will be playing this haul of kids in East Lansing in 2017 when they are Sophs, RSFresh which will be fun to watch. That being said, Robertson and King will be lined up across from a line that will be BATTLE TESTED and stocked with future NFL stars. It might look like this from left to right... Bars, Nelson, Hoge, Kraemer and McG or Eichenberg. Good luck Sparty. And don't forget, if they do get off a block they will have a 240lb Beast Q running them over on the way to the Heisman.

Cheer up fellas. One of them, King or Robertson would have never played again as soon as AJ Espnesa walked onto campus.

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[ThePiombino]

Cheer up fellas. One of them, King or Robertson would have never played again as soon as AJ Espnesa walked onto campus.

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Even if this is true, does the word "depth" mean anything to you?

 

[irishandy]

MSU is hot on the recruiting trail right now. Quite frankly I am glad that we do not play them.

I hope that Coach Kelly at the staff take note of what winning can do with recruiting. MSU is 24-3 the last 2 years including 2 bowl wins and a conference championship. Actually MSU has won their past 4 bowl games and 2 conference championships since 2011.

 

[BobbyMac]

Even if this is true, does the word "depth" mean anything to you?

Depth will come from somewhere else especially with double digit victory totals over the next 3 years.

I don't cry over things that weren't close. If the kid thinks that he couldn't cut it academically after being informed as much by the MSU staff, then he was always a... never was. If he thinks that MSU gives him the best shot at a successful future both on and off the field, he's a... never was.

The other thing I've experienced as a Hooiser, I've seen this mentality of elite Indiana prospects leaving the state since Eric Montross in basketball. This is a complex and long standing cultural issue that I don't want to get into on his thread. Good fodder for another thread though.

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[BobbyMac]

MSU is hot on the recruiting trail right now. Quite frankly I am glad that we do not play them.

I hope that Coach Kelly at the staff take note of what winning can do with recruiting. MSU is 24-3 the last 2 years including 2 bowl wins and a conference championship. Actually MSU has won their past 4 bowl games and 2 conference championships since 2011.

But ND WILL play these recruits in '16 and '17.

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[irishandy]

But ND WILL play these recruits in '16 and '17.

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That's true....

I see MSU being a continuous contender in the Big 10.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Ugh knew this was coming, but this one hurts a lot. Winning this season is a must to pickup recruiting from misses this spring. Ugh


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[BobbyMac]

That's true....

I see MSU being a continuous contender in the Big 10.

They will be at least very good. They do have to figure out how to replace Cook at QB and move to an athletic DT style QB. With MZ at the helm behind the most talented O Line group in the game for the next 3 years, I wouldn't trade places with Sparty for all the aggie degrees in E. Lansing.

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[connor_in]

I think we are a little better than this whining some of you are putting out there.

I don't doubt that academics and suspensions were brought up, but academics has been brought up about us for years and will continue to be ad infinitum. While that was surely a factor, I will guess there are other factors as well. He could like their campus, their atmosphere, their players/recruits more than ND's. Dantonio has been doing a heck of a job up there turning them around and they have been on a steady climb through Cousins and Cook at QB. Also, their defense has been at or near the top for a while now, but while they lost Narduzzi, his MSU assistants stayed and probably know what they are doing after learning at his knee.

ND is not for everybody. Remember Lou's quote about people getting ND.

I wish he was coming here as I think he could be something special with a lot of work. However, he chose them, and I wish him well except when they line up against the Fighting Irish.

 

[ThePiombino]

Depth will come from somewhere else especially with double digit victory totals over the next 3 years.

Putting the cart before the horse much?

I don't cry over things that weren't close. If the kid thinks that he couldn't cut it academically after being informed as much by the MSU staff, then he was always a... never was. If he thinks that MSU gives him the best shot at a successful future both on and off the field, he's a... never was.

I agree with the academics argument here, but the football one? Come on, man. MSU has done a pretty damn good job of coaching up their D. Football wise, it's a good pick. But if the pick was PURELY based on academics, THEN you make a good point.

The other thing I've experienced as a Hooiser, I've seen this mentality of elite Indiana prospects leaving the state since Eric Montross in basketball. This is a complex and long standing cultural issue that I don't want to get into on his thread. Good fodder for another thread though.

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I can't speak for basketball since I don't follow it closely, but as for football, I'm not sure what you're referring to. ND has done a great job of keeping the elite talent in state recently. This year has been the exception.

 

[md_bennett]

I can't speak for basketball since I don't follow it closely, but as for football, I'm not sure what you're referring to. ND has done a great job of keeping the elite talent in state recently. This year has been the exception.

I would say we are about 50/50 in that regard. Kiel came then left. Kimbrough is playing at UGA. Elijah Daniel went to Auburn. Michigan State and Cinci each have a couple other talented native Hoosiers. This year alone we have Austin, Auston, Brandon Peters, Chris Evans, Kiante Enis.

We get a decent share of the ones we want, but I think we could do a lot better.

 

[dublinirish]

wasnt it 3 years in a row where ND took the top player in IN? Kiel, Jaylon, Day?..

 

[MacIrish75]

I would say we are about 50/50 in that regard. Kiel came then left. Kimbrough is playing at UGA. Elijah Daniel went to Auburn. Michigan State and Cinci each have a couple other talented native Hoosiers. This year alone we have Austin, Auston, Brandon Peters, Chris Evans, Kiante Enis.

We get a decent share of the ones we want, but I think we could do a lot better.

What do each of these names (sans Mack) have in common? They are public school kids. Being a teacher from Fort Wayne, I can absolutely speak to the quality of education in the area. Auston attends Wayne HS, one of the worst performing public high schools in the city. They aren't so much concerned with getting kids into ND as they are getting kids to graduate. Think back the last decade. We've recruited FW very well, but how many of those are public school kids? None, if I recall. Tranquill doesn't count, here, because Carroll is vastly different. Like comparing Carmel to Broad Ripple for you Indy guys. Kiante Enis is from a tiny public school in a town of 5,000 in the middle of nowhere. From people in the area I've heard he enjoys being the big fish and his work ethic is questionable. That's the issue with most Indiana athletes, unless they're MIC, CI, SAC, or Indy area Independent football players, the level of competition is suspect. Of others in your list, Kimbrough had no ND interest and Elijah Daniel has been arrested a handful of times at Auburn and had well-documented incidents in HS, too.

The argument goes back to finding kids that are the right fit for ND. I wholly believe when ND goes all-In on Hoosier kids, we win most all of those battles. Mack is the only kid this cycle who I truly believe we "lost." I think, in the end, we get Evans if we offer. The Bilal connection will help us, and he's in "holding a spot down" mode with UM. Other than that, we need to chill. Ten years ago, five years ago, how many people were concerned with holding down the state of Indiana, in terms of recruiting? When we recruit nationally we are going to lose some to other regional players, but will generally end up with players of equal caliber who've played better competition.

ND is very highly regarded among kids in state. We're the creme de la creme. Some kids are just lactose intolerant. And that's ok.

 

[BobbyMac]

Putting the cart before the horse much?

--- Not at all. ND has the horses to pull the cart right now. Winning just makes it easier to add to that cart. If that response is to my prediction of 3 straight 10 win seasons then... Yeah, well that'sjust, like, my opinion man.



I agree with the academics argument here, but the football one? Come on, man. MSU has done a pretty damn good job of coaching up their D. Football wise, it's a good pick. But if the pick was PURELY based on academics, THEN you make a good point.

---My statement used the words, both & and, not either & or.



I can't speak for basketball since I don't follow it closely, but as for football, I'm not sure what you're referring to. ND has done a great job of keeping the elite talent in state recently. This year has been the exception.

--- Overall, you wouldn't understand unless you're a Hoosier. ND did a great job last year. They did get Jaylon and Gunner but they don't own the state. MacIrish75 hit half of the nail on the head in his response. Also, with the MIC absorbing the Hoosier Crossroads they NEED to own Indy now and going forward.


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[OCIrish]

Not to sound sour, as I was not there to witness personally, but was told by a friend who went to the game Friday night that Austin was very "meh" against a young Snider OL. Said he didn't get much push when Snider ran to his side, and certainly didn't look overly impressive during pass rush. Again, I wasn't there so I don't know how true it is, just passing along what was relayed to me.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

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[Crazy Balki]

I wasn't originally very high on him, as he looked pretty meh from a physical standpoint, but he's seemed to have filled out a bit. I'd rather have Madudu or Betiku, but at this point, beggars can't be choosers, I'll take any high-level DE we can get to pair with Okwara (who's starting to look like the real deal).

 

[dublinirish]

what standard of HS program is AR in? is he being well coached?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'd kill to have any pass-rushing DE in this class. if we can stack em up, even better. We need at least 3 in this class to make up for the attrition we've had this summer. (Hill, Jhonnie, likely no Ishaq)

 

[OCIrish]

what standard of HS program is AR in? is he being well coached?

They were pretty good last year, and I'm not sure what toll graduation took on them, however a few highlights I did see from his game had him standing straight up, and not doing anything. Snider had a young rebuilt OL, and from the looks and sounds of it, AR was not a factor at all.

 

[dublinirish]

They were pretty good last year, and I'm not sure what toll graduation took on them, however a few highlights I did see from his game had him standing straight up, and not doing anything. Snider had a young rebuilt OL, and from the looks and sounds of it, AR was not a factor at all.

seems like as raw as AR has been (playing WR up until last year) wouldn't you expect a huge development in his game now that he has been doing all these camps etc? Be interesting to see if he improves as his season goes on

 

[OCIrish]

Yeah, actually he did start playing defense last season.....so, I'd have thought he'd be a little further along in his progression as a DE. Again, I wasn't there to witness, and maybe he wasn't expecting Snider's OL to be as tough as they were. I'll get out to see him this season though.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I talked to a football guy who was at the game and he said Robertson was double and tripled teamed most of the game and that was a guy with no invested interest in the game other than scouting Robertson and a player on Snider.

Robertson doesn't play for a great football program, as can be seen from them losing the game 49-0. It's easier to be able to run away from a DE and triple team him, when the rest of the team is really bad.

Snider usually has 2-3 D-1 players on their team each year. Snider is also 6-A, compared to Wayne at 3-A. Indiana 6A is the big school division.

 

[Luckylucci]

I wasn't originally very high on him, as he looked pretty meh from a physical standpoint, but he's seemed to have filled out a bit. I'd rather have Madudu or Betiku, but at this point, beggars can't be choosers, I'll take any high-level DE we can get to pair with Okwara (who's starting to look like the real deal).

What? Physically he looks fantastic. If you had a problem with him being raw from a technique standpoint I'd get it but physically. Definitely don't agree.

 

[BeauBenken]

I talked to a football guy who was at the game and he said Robertson was double and tripled teamed most of the game and that was a guy with no invested interest in the game other than scouting Robertson and a player on Snider.

Robertson doesn't play for a great football program, as can be seen from them losing the game 49-0. It's easier to be able to run away from a DE and triple team him, when the rest of the team is really bad.

Snider usually has 2-3 D-1 players on their team each year. Snider is also 6-A, compared to Wayne at 3-A. Indiana 6A is the big school division.

Snider is 5A, but your point still stands.