'15 LA OLB Bo Wallace (Arizona State Verbal)

[texbender]

Hate to lose him.

 

[NDdomer2]

He said it's been in the works for a while as some things changed....said he will always be Irish looking at possible destinations of Tulane and ucla...rivals...I'm a couple drinks in after a run in with my wife's ex, so this is just a quick overview

This....is the story of the night. Plz tell.

 

[Irish YJ]

You just can't blame ND until you know the whole story.

This

ND really needs to stop letting kids sign who aren't academically cleared. Now, maybe there is another side to this where he just stopped working in his second semester and his GPA dropped so now his test scores aren't good enough when before they were... but in general, you can't have this be a yearly occurrence. Teams will start neg-recruiting every borderline academic kid to not sign with ND because they'll pull your admission even after you sign.

And now one of the few Louisiana programs we ever had a chance of recruiting from is probably all done for us.

Are you sure this is the reason. If so, please PM me
And even if so, why would his inability to bring things up or in line with requirements mean the pipeline is dead. This whole thing could be another Mora...

Sucks. He was the one guy in this class who could rush the passer.

yep, and double yep.

He said it's been in the works for a while as some things changed....said he will always be Irish looking at possible destinations of Tulane and ucla...rivals...I'm a couple drinks in after a run in with my wife's ex, so this is just a quick overview

UCLA is a long way from La. So either Mora or academics. Sucks. I hate Mora

Put in the proper perspective........... nothing to worry too much about.

uh, no
lol

Well this day sucks.

not totally. not letting this shi+ fest ruin my week. today officially is the start of summer for me. took the hard top of the jeep and have front row to Zac Brown tomorrow night. Opening the pool this weekend too. Fvck it. Beer and Chicken Fried for me! Go MZ

 

[ThePiombino]

Put in the proper perspective........... nothing to worry too much about.

Golson was never going to be the backup. 1B at worst. Likely 1A, however.

 

[dublinirish]

i guess Chase Hounshell will be coming back then at this rate

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Not another Mora situation, so lets not go there. haha

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Good luck to Bo. I am sure LA will begin to produce more recruits, so I am not worried on that front. The only thing that bothers me is the anti-UND sentiment on this thread.

And those that said Bo would take some time to develop were right, I don't think it hurts as much as if he were an immediate impact player. Just makes it more important for the coaches to land a couple of top DE prospects in this coming class. And if development of the current players matches that of other position groups, we may not even notice it!

Never good to lose a guy out of a class but this is almost the perfect non-issue. Tillery is doing well and is also from LA, first ND player from LA in this century? And we have an otherwise well rounded class. We had to make an 85 player limit, and I will laugh my ass off if they find an effective way to use Chase if he can stay!

 

[IrishLion]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We explain why 2015 DE/LB signee Bo Wallace won't end up at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> after all.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/596663098607538177">May 8, 2015</a></blockquote>
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As a primer for ISD intel

 

[ThePiombino]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We explain why 2015 DE/LB signee Bo Wallace won't end up at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> after all.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/596663098607538177">May 8, 2015</a></blockquote>
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As a primer for ISD intel

This is a f***ed situation:

Apparently he retook his ACT (even though his initial score was good enough to gain admittance) and improved too well, so his test was flagged. He was then given the choice to retake the test (to prove the legitimacy of his improvements) or retake it. He chose to defend his 2nd score and apparently lost. He's free to go anywhere but ND at this point. It's apparently not clear whether ND or the NCAA is to blame here, however.

Source: Irish Sports Daily Forums

Un-effing-real. Seriously though.

 

[MNIrishman]

This is a f***ed situation:

Apparently he retook his ACT (even though his initial score was good enough to gain admittance) and improved too well, so his test was flagged. He was then given the choice to retake the test (to prove the legitimacy of his improvements) or retake it. He chose to defend his 2nd score and apparently lost. He's free to go anywhere but ND at this point. It's apparently not clear whether ND or the NCAA is to blame here, however.

Source: Irish Sports Daily Forums

Un-effing-real. Seriously though.

Wait, really? I re-took my SAT and went up 200 freaking points (I was sick as a dog the first time) and no one flagged me for anything. This explanation sounds bogus UNLESS it's an NCAA thing.

 

[IrishLion]

This is a f***ed situation:

Apparently he retook his ACT (even though his initial score was good enough to gain admittance) and improved too well, so his test was flagged. He was then given the choice to retake the test (to prove the legitimacy of his improvements) or retake it. He chose to defend his 2nd score and apparently lost. He's free to go anywhere but ND at this point. It's apparently not clear whether ND or the NCAA is to blame here, however.

Source: Irish Sports Daily Forums

Un-effing-real. Seriously though.

EDIT: Needless speculation. Just curious as to how/why a score improves so dramatically, gets flagged, and then you fail to defend it.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Why would someone retake a test that had a high score? What can you possibly gain from it?

 

[ThePiombino]

Why would someone retake a test that had a high score? What can you possibly gain from it?

Only thing I can think of is maybe his 1st test was good enough GRADES PENDING? It's possible Bo retook the test not knowing how his final grades would fall, thus attempting to improve his ACT in an effort to hedge his bets so to speak. Can't think of any other scenario other than personal pride of course.

 

[arahop]

I highly doubt that the ncaa is to blame here. We know that it was ND's admissions, come on let's be real. Our toughest opponent is the Notre Dame admissions itself. Look..I'm proud of our ncaa leading graduation rate but it's been really difficult the last 20 years getting the players that the football program needs to win. Purely likely and speculative but let's take a look at few things that have kept the football program from succeeding.
Lou holtz departure- didn't feel like ND was accepting players he believed could help the team. Randy moss etc
Urban Meyer. " dream job" didn't want to have to fight the school and wanted to get an aloted "exception of players" ND would not otherwise admit. Doesn't come to ND.
The list goes on and on.
So when people get on the soap box and preach our high graduation rates. It makes me cringe a little. No one outside of ND cares about graduation rates.
I'm not saying win at all costs but I'm sick and tired of the "we are academically and moraly better than all other programs" mantra on here.
Guess what? Those graduation rates will never win. A 12th championship.

 

[woolybug25]

I highly doubt that the ncaa is to blame here. We know that it was ND's admissions, come on let's be real. Our toughest opponent is the Notre Dame admissions itself. Look..I'm proud of our ncaa leading graduation rate but it's been really difficult the last 20 years getting the players that the football program needs to win. Purely likely and speculative but let's take a look at few things that have kept the football program from succeeding.
Lou holtz departure- didn't feel like ND was accepting players he believed could help the team. Randy moss etc
Urban Meyer. " dream job" didn't want to have to fight the school and wanted to get an aloted "exception of players" ND would not otherwise admit. Doesn't come to ND.
The list goes on and on.
So when people get on the soap box and preach our high graduation rates. It makes me cringe a little. No one outside of ND cares about graduation rates.
I'm not saying win at all costs but I'm sick and tired of the "we are academically and moraly better than all other programs" mantra on here.
Guess what? Those graduation rates will never win. A 12th championship.

Are you saying Stanford can't compete on a high level?

We have had top 15 recruiting classes every year BK has been here. So spare me the "we cant get talent" bullshit.

If you don't want to watch a team of student athletes, then go watch another team. Because that is part of the culture of the program. It's not changing.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Are you saying Stanford can't compete on a high level?

We have had top 15 recruiting classes every year BK has been here. So spare me the "we cant get talent" bullshit.

If you don't want to watch a team of student athletes, then go watch another team. Because that is part of the culture of the program. It's not changing.

Yep.

 

[arahop]

Are you saying Stanford can't compete on a high level?

We have had top 15 recruiting classes every year BK has been here. So spare me the "we cant get talent" bullshit.

If you don't want to watch a team of student athletes, then go watch another team. Because that is part of the culture of the program. It's not changing.

Lol you were the first poster that came to mind when I posted that. We are Notre Dame not Stanford. Go root for Stanford if you think so highly of them. Was that the culture of the program in 88 when guys like Rice and Zorich were able to be accepted at ND? Do you think that they would get accepted today??? Don't kid yourself. It hasn't "always" been apart of the program.
Also I think BK has done a fantastic job recruiting. It's just that he has to compete with his school as well as other teams

 

[kmoose]

I highly doubt that the ncaa is to blame here. We know that it was ND's admissions, come on let's be real. Our toughest opponent is the Notre Dame admissions itself. Look..I'm proud of our ncaa leading graduation rate but it's been really difficult the last 20 years getting the players that the football program needs to win. Purely likely and speculative but let's take a look at few things that have kept the football program from succeeding.
Lou holtz departure- didn't feel like ND was accepting players he believed could help the team. Randy moss etc
Urban Meyer. " dream job" didn't want to have to fight the school and wanted to get an aloted "exception of players" ND would not otherwise admit. Doesn't come to ND.
The list goes on and on.
So when people get on the soap box and preach our high graduation rates. It makes me cringe a little. No one outside of ND cares about graduation rates.
I'm not saying win at all costs but I'm sick and tired of the "we are academically and moraly better than all other programs" mantra on here.
Guess what? Those graduation rates will never win. A 12th championship.

We were just in the National Championship Game, two years ago.

 

[woolybug25]

Lol you were the first poster that came to mind when I posted that. We are Notre Dame not Stanford. Go root for Stanford if you think so highly of them. Was that the culture of the program in 88 when guys like Rice and Zorich were able to be accepted at ND? Do you think that they would get accepted today??? Don't kid yourself. It hasn't "always" been apart of the program.
Also I think BK has done a fantastic job recruiting. It's just that he has to compete with his school as well as other teams

You mean two guys that went to class and graduated? Because regardless of what got them admitted (which there are guys currently on the team with similar profiles), they came in and went to class. Those guys certainly could get into the school today. Do you honestly believe that we don't make academic exceptions?

I don't have to root for Stanford, because Notre Dame has the culture of student athletes. You are the one asking them to change, not me.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Lol you were the first poster that came to mind when I posted that. We are Notre Dame not Stanford. Go root for Stanford if you think so highly of them. Was that the culture of the program in 88 when guys like Rice and Zorich were able to be accepted at ND? Do you think that they would get accepted today??? Don't kid yourself. It hasn't "always" been apart of the program.
Also I think BK has done a fantastic job recruiting. It's just that he has to compete with his school as well as other teams

I agree with Wooly some frustrated users want to lay all of the problems on ND admin. It just ain't so. Randy Moss would never have made it in to ND at any time, not with his criminal record. (Just an example of details that get lost in the heat of an argument.)

And I don't like the true snobs either. But your post and response is very troll like. Offering a little respect to a fellow poster (even one you don't agree with) may be in order.

 

[EddytoNow]

I highly doubt that the ncaa is to blame here. We know that it was ND's admissions, come on let's be real. Our toughest opponent is the Notre Dame admissions itself. Look..I'm proud of our ncaa leading graduation rate but it's been really difficult the last 20 years getting the players that the football program needs to win. Purely likely and speculative but let's take a look at few things that have kept the football program from succeeding.
Lou holtz departure- didn't feel like ND was accepting players he believed could help the team. Randy moss etc
Urban Meyer. " dream job" didn't want to have to fight the school and wanted to get an aloted "exception of players" ND would not otherwise admit. Doesn't come to ND.
The list goes on and on.
So when people get on the soap box and preach our high graduation rates. It makes me cringe a little. No one outside of ND cares about graduation rates.
I'm not saying win at all costs but I'm sick and tired of the "we are academically and moraly better than all other programs" mantra on here.
Guess what? Those graduation rates will never win. A 12th championship.

I would venture to guess that a lot people care about Notre Dame's graduation rate, especially the parents of young men considering a career in the NFL. Since something like 95% of college football players will never see the NFL, many parents are looking for a back-up plan if their son's dreams of playing in the NFL fail to materialize. Not every athlete is a Cardale Jones. Some actually plan ahead for the day when they will no longer be able to play football. Notre Dame has been hampered by a number of career-ending injuries. These players have been able to get a Notre Dame degree, which is a tremendous asset when they go job hunting. Unlike a number of other universities, Notre Dame expects their student athletes to attend class and earn a degree. In return the university provides the support and resources to help student athletes succeed in the classroom.

Parents, who visit Notre Dame with their football-playing sons, frequently leave with a very favorable impression of what Notre Dame has to offer. A large part of the message to parents is that their son will be given every opportunity to earn a Notre Dame degree (the 40-year decision), and they have the Danny Sponds and Christian Lombards to back up the claim.

 

[arahop]

You mean two guys that went to class and graduated? Because regardless of what got them admitted (which there are guys currently on the team with similar profiles), they came in and went to class. Those guys certainly could get into the school today. Do you honestly believe that we don't make academic exceptions?

I don't have to root for Stanford, because Notre Dame has the culture of student athletes. You are the one asking them to change, not me.

I know we make exceptions. It's just very frustrating to have a kid sign a letter of intent and then have admissions deny him. BK probably has to fight tooth and nail just to get these "few exceptions" and when he does...Boom admissions. It's just more venom other teams can use against the Irish on the recruiting trail. This academic stuff needs to be ironed out before signing day. There shouldn't be any stipulations to get in unless the kid absolutely effs off his last semester (which may be the case)

 

[arahop]

I agree with Wooly some frustrated users want to lay all of the problems on ND admin. It just ain't so. Randy Moss would never have made it in to ND at any time, not with his criminal record. (Just an example of details that get lost in the heat of an argument.)

And I don't like the true snobs either. But your post and response is very troll like. Offering a little respect to a fellow poster (even one you don't agree with) may be in order.

Respect? Yeah I don't like being told to root for another team.

 

[woolybug25]

I know we make exceptions. It's just very frustrating to have a kid sign a letter of intent and then have admissions deny him. BK probably has to fight tooth and nail just to get these "few exceptions" and when he does...Boom admissions. It's just more venom other teams can use against the Irish on the recruiting trail. This academic stuff needs to be ironed out before signing day. There shouldn't be any stipulations to get in unless the kid absolutely effs off his last semester (which may be the case)

Would you rather not get them? Because that's the choice. In one post you are complaining that they aren't more lax on admissions, but now you are complaining about them being lax on admissions by letting kids with work left to do into the school. You can't have both and your argument is spinning in circles right now. Sounds more like you just want to complain but don't have a clear message.

Respect? Yeah I don't like being told to root for another team.

We don't like getting told that we a) will never win another championship b) that we have to change our academic culture and c) that academic culture doesn't matter. The reality is that to the majority of the fanbase, those are the pinnacles of what makes Notre Dame special. My comment wasn't a slight at you... it was honest feedback. If you just want to win and have no interest in academic excellence and standards. Then you are rooting for a team that doesn't fit your profile for what you like. We aren't changing and shouldn't have to. So you can quit bitching about it or accept it. That's all I meant by that comment...

 

[stlnd01]

This is a f***ed situation:

Apparently he retook his ACT (even though his initial score was good enough to gain admittance) and improved too well, so his test was flagged. He was then given the choice to retake the test (to prove the legitimacy of his improvements) or retake it. He chose to defend his 2nd score and apparently lost. He's free to go anywhere but ND at this point. It's apparently not clear whether ND or the NCAA is to blame here, however.

Source: Irish Sports Daily Forums

Un-effing-real. Seriously though.

What? That doesn't even make sense.

 

[IrishLion]

My question is, what constitutes a failed defense of test results?

Clear cheating?
Not actually being present for the test?
Failure by the tester to properly oversee rules/regulations?

 

[arahop]

Would you rather not get them? Because that's the choice. In one post you are complaining that they aren't more lax on admissions, but now you are complaining about them being lax on admissions by letting kids with work left to do into the school. You can't have both and your argument is spinning in circles right now. Sounds more like you just want to complain but don't have a clear message.



We don't like getting told that we a) will never win another championship b) that we have to change our academic culture and c) that academic culture doesn't matter. The reality is that to the majority of the fanbase, those are the pinnacles of what makes Notre Dame special. My comment wasn't a slight at you... it was honest feedback. If you just want to win and have no interest in academic excellence and standards. Then you are rooting for a team that doesn't fit your profile for what you like. We aren't changing and shouldn't have to. So you can quit bitching about it or accept it. That's all I meant by that comment...

I never once said or alluded to academic culture at Notre Dame not mattering. I never once said that ND will never win another championship.
The message that I am sending is clear. The way things are being done by admissions, and the academic precedence that they have set the last 20 plus years are not translating to football excellence. Brian Kelly has done a remarkable job to even get a few exceptions. It's clear that for ND to accomplish even more on the football field, Admissions and the blue hairs will have to give more academic leeway. I'm not saying sell our souls or lose integrity whatsoever. We can still graduate 98 percent of the football team. We just need to allow 3-6 kids a year that couldn't enroll at ND otherwise. Both academics and future championships can be achieved by allowing this to happen. If something along the lines of the aforementioned doesn't happen, we will all have the pleasure of reading your well researched value of a Notre Dame degree 20 years from now too. I would just rather have it be with a championship or 3 to go along with it.

 

[ND NYC]

This is a f***ed situation:

Apparently he retook his ACT (even though his initial score was good enough to gain admittance) and improved too well, so his test was flagged. He was then given the choice to retake the test (to prove the legitimacy of his improvements) or retake it. He chose to defend his 2nd score and apparently lost. He's free to go anywhere but ND at this point. It's apparently not clear whether ND or the NCAA is to blame here, however.

Source: Irish Sports Daily Forums

Un-effing-real. Seriously though.

not following...u meant choice was to retake or defend, right?

 

[md_bennett]

I improved 350 on my SAT the second time I took it. Part of retaking the test is knowing how it works the next go around. You take a single prep class or get an SAT book or something and you should jump up crazily. This seems really odd and could potentially be problematic if it was ND who did that.

 

[Huntr]

Not sure if I'm buying that, unless his 1st score was just good enough to qualify, but with some sort of conditions attached, like an academic probation lite type of thing. Mainly, I can't understand why he'd retake the test or otherwise give a shit, as long as he was qualified for admission.