[Boxing] vBook: Mayweather Jr. vs. Pacquiao

[GoldenDomer]

Do any of the boxing fans on this site want to take back what they said about MMA being boring compared to boxing lol

 

[ulukinatme]

Caught bits and pieces via a stream. What I did see wasn't impressive. The announcers were hyping it up at times, but it honestly felt dull. It's no wonder boxing is dying. Glad I didn't put money down to watch it.

 

[tussin]

Mayweather and Manny are both on the downside of their careers and Floyd won with his typical defensive perfection.

This fight would've been amazing a few years ago, but of course Floyd will never fight any real contender in their prime. Hoping he takes on GGG for his final fight in September, but I know that will never happen.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

[Boxing] vBook: Mayweather Jr. vs. Pacquiao

I was left with the feeling both fighters played nice for the most part to set up a sequel. IMO, people won't be lined up to shell out $100 next time.

 

[IrishLion]

Manny didn't stay aggressive enough. His opportunities came in bunches every time he got Floyd in the corner, but Floyd was too smooth getting out and countering.

Manny had chances to go for broke and let them fly, which he needed to do, but it seemed he was too worried about the counter, which is understandable. There were a few times where Manny would try low and left himself open pretty awkwardly, but Floyd never capatilized. Could have been worse for Pac, but overall it was kind of disappointing.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I was left with the feeling both fighters played nice for the most part to set up a sequel. IMO, people won't be lined up to shell out $100 next time.

I don't see why they would bother. They both cleared close to $100 million on that fight and are getting up their in age. I guess Mayweather has to do one more fight to match Rocky's record, but these guys both have more money than God now. They should both save what's left of their brains and retire.


eta: also glad that I didn't literally give money directly to a wife beater tonight by paying to watch what just happened.


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[GoldenDome]

Manny now making excuses about his shoulder.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Just my 2c, but I have no respect for Mayweather. Didn't come to fight; and perhaps there's an argument that he came to "box", but my impression is that he's a bitch. I have no respect for what I just saw.

 

[Rhode Irish]

If they really want to "save" boxing, they will eliminate the decision altogether and remove the round limits. Just fight three minutes at a time forever until someone is knocked out, quits or dies. Nobody wants to see a fight where both fighters intention is to avoid having physical contact with the other guy.

 

[IrishinSyria]

If they really want to "save" boxing, they will eliminate the decision altogether and remove the round limits. Just fight three minutes at a time forever until someone is knocked out, quits or dies. Nobody wants to see a fight where both fighters intention is to avoid having physical contact with the other guy.

keep it as is, but massively adjust compensation for a knockout.: like both fighters get 20% of the pot for a decision, but if one gets a knockout he gets 90% to the other guys 10%. Donate the 60% from decision fights to brain research.

 

[wizards8507]

Can someone explain the pay-per-view model? Advertising works for the NFL (and every other sport) so why not boxing?

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[ND NYC]

R.I.P. Boxing

 

[nlroma1o]

I know several people who bought the fight, and they were all pissed that they wasted their money on it. To the casual viewer, how do you award Mayweather the winner when you just watched him run away from his opponent for over an hour? This is why boxing is dead, and MMA is far more skilled and exciting to watch. Who the hell would ever pay 100 again, to watch Mayweather run away for an hour and then be declared the winner? Its completely flawed. Boxing should award points towards the aggressor in the fight. This fight was identical to the Mayweather vs De La Hoya fight in 2007. Floyd somehow took away De La Hoyas belt by running away from him all fukin night. Its absolute garbage.

 

[IrishLion]

I know several people who bought the fight, and they were all pissed that they wasted their money on it. To the casual viewer, how do you award Mayweather the winner when you just watched him run away from his opponent for over an hour? This is why boxing is dead, and MMA is far more skilled and exciting to watch. Who the hell would ever pay 100 again, to watch Mayweather run away for an hour and then be declared the winner? Its completely flawed. Boxing should award points towards the aggressor in the fight. This fight was identical to the Mayweather vs De La Hoya fight in 2007. Floyd somehow took away De La Hoyas belt by running away from him all fukin night. Its absolute garbage.

I'm a casual viewer, but I don't think Floyd "ran away" for over an hour. Floyd did what he always does: Let the guy throw some punches, then counter and make them pay. Every good shot Manny got in, Floyd landed two. It was exactly what Floyd wanted, and Manny didn't stay aggressive enough to do anything about it.

Also, Floyd threw more punches than Manny. Even if they were via the counter, doesn't that still kind of make Floyd the aggressor? Manny tried to press Floyd with his footwork, sure, but he never capitalized off of that.

And I HATE Floyd. He's a vile human.

 

[nlroma1o]

I'm a casual viewer, but I don't think Floyd "ran away" for over an hour. Floyd did what he always does: Let the guy throw some punches, then counter and make them pay. Every good shot Manny got in, Floyd landed two. It was exactly what Floyd wanted, and Manny didn't stay aggressive enough to do anything about it.

Also, Floyd threw more punches than Manny. Even if they were via the counter, doesn't that still kind of make Floyd the aggressor? Manny tried to press Floyd with his footwork, sure, but he never capitalized off of that.

And I HATE Floyd. He's a vile human.

Floyd has never been the aggressor. How many times did Floyd actually step forward and go after Manny? He flat out never does that. He just runs away and then throws these soft punches. Floyd throws about 75 soft little pussy love taps every match. The majority of the counter punches have no power to them. Its pathetic, that he wins because he can throw the most love taps. Its glorified sparring!!

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

If they really want to "save" boxing, they will eliminate the decision altogether and remove the round limits. Just fight three minutes at a time forever until someone is knocked out, quits or dies. Nobody wants to see a fight where both fighters intention is to avoid having physical contact with the other guy.

I actually agree with this somewhat (not till death) and think it would refresh the sport.

The way the sport is modeled right now is the reason Floyd fights the way he does. He has a formula to win within the rules and he uses it.

I'm tired of the "Floyd runs" crowd. The guy is lightning quick at 39 and is simply a better fighter than Pacquiao.. And always has been. People hate him because he doesn't engage in the blood bath everyone wants.

PAC couldn't wrangle him in and land effective shots like Maidana was able to do at times. He had no jab, no set up and seemed behind the whole fight.

I'll admit at times I was yelling for Floyd to go for the KO but he just doesn't leave himself vulnerable.. Plain and simple. The fact that he could have really opened up on him is why he didn't.. He had the win locked up.

 

[IrishLion]

Floyd has never been the aggressor. How many times did Floyd actually step forward and go after Manny? He flat out never does that. He just runs away and then throws these soft punches. Floyd throws about 75 soft little pussy love taps every match. The majority of the counter punches have no power to them. Its pathetic, that he wins because he can throw the most love taps. Its glorified sparring!!

Idk, Floyd threw nearly twice as many punches (or landed nearly twice as many), and also had 20+ more power punches that landed if I'm remembering correctly.

There's a difference between running, and being a defensive fighter, and Floyd put that difference on display very well, IMO.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I hate floyd as much as the next guy but he is far and away one of the best defensive fighters in modern history of the sport. People get confused when it comes to boxing about "running" away from a fight. He never ran he just countered beautifully against manny. The better the boxer is the less he seems to be appreciated with the casual fan, i love the sport of boxing and despise Floyd outside of the ring but he flat out put on a clinic.

 

[GDomer09]

I don't know how they added up the power punches, but to me power punches equal an obvious effect on the opponent. I didn't see Manny fazed once as where Floyd was shook up a few times and every time he hugged Manny or ran away to avoid going down.

I know this is Floyd's style and I don't think anybody is denying that he's the best at taking advantage of the scoring system. The problem is nobody watches boxing to see someone focus purely on the scoring system to win a fight. It’s why he got booed and catches so much flak. Nobody wants to see that shit!

Notice how boring it was to here me talk about scoring systems and boxing together.

Stronger and Faster. Hardest Punch. Can take a Punch. Dodge and Counter (with something that does damage). This is what we want to see in boxing. Floyd's faster, but his counters didn't do shit to Manny.

 

[GDomer09]

I hate floyd as much as the next guy but he is far and away one of the best defensive fighters in modern history of the sport. People get confused when it comes to boxing about "running" away from a fight. He never ran he just countered beautifully against manny. The better the boxer is the less he seems to be appreciated with the casual fan, i love the sport of boxing and despise Floyd outside of the ring but he flat out put on a clinic.

He countered sometimes with no effect on Manny. The other times he would run or hug because he was fazed by Manny's blow.

 

[IrishLion]

I agree for the most part. Again, I despise Floyd, but I kind of enjoyed watching his defensive style in-depth for the first time in a while.

However, a friend and I discussed after the match that the scoring system is just ridiculous (yes yes, I know it's been that way forever). There is no incentive to get after it if you're Floyd, because you can just keep countering and win easy rounds, and also no incentive to get after it if you're Manny, because there's too much risk and not enough reward (unless you get the KO).

Floyd may have won 8 rounds, but the 4 rounds that Manny won were much more impressive IMO. There needs to be a weight of some sort, but there's really no way to judge that type of thing without opening things to EVEN MORE corruption.

 

[pumpdog20]

I know several people who bought the fight, and they were all pissed that they wasted their money on it. To the casual viewer, how do you award Mayweather the winner when you just watched him run away from his opponent for over an hour? This is why boxing is dead, and MMA is far more skilled and exciting to watch. Who the hell would ever pay 100 again, to watch Mayweather run away for an hour and then be declared the winner? Its completely flawed. Boxing should award points towards the aggressor in the fight. This fight was identical to the Mayweather vs De La Hoya fight in 2007. Floyd somehow took away De La Hoyas belt by running away from him all fukin night. Its absolute garbage.

Should "the aggressor" at least be required to throw more punches in a fight?

 

[IrishinSyria]

I don't know how they added up the power punches, but to me power punches equal an obvious effect on the opponent. I didn't see Manny fazed once as where Floyd was shook up a few times and every time he hugged Manny or ran away to avoid going down.

I know this is Floyd's style and I don't think anybody is denying that he's the best at taking advantage of the scoring system. The problem is nobody watches boxing to see someone focus purely on the scoring system to win a fight. It’s why he got booed and catches so much flak. Nobody wants to see that shit!

Notice how boring it was to here me talk about scoring systems and boxing together.

Stronger and Faster. Hardest Punch. Can take a Punch. Dodge and Counter (with something that does damage). This is what we want to see in boxing. Floyd's faster, but his counters didn't do shit to Manny.

But people knew that going in. I don't understand why this fight was so hyped. Two over-the hill lightweights, neither with a reputation for winning by knockout. This fight would have been great in 2010. Last weekend was the retirement plan.

 

[GDomer09]

But people knew that going in. I don't understand why this fight was so hyped. Two over-the hill lightweights, neither with a reputation for winning by knockout. This fight would have been great in 2010. Last weekend was the retirement plan.

Manny does have a reputation for roughing opponents up pretty good.

Lol...True on the 2nd part!

SOME people knew it. Those of us who did know it are just furthing our complaints on how annoying it is to watch and are pissed that he did run and hug more than usual even for him. I mean Manny looked the same going into the match as he did coming out! lol. No one got beat, someone just had landed more (non damaging) punches.

 

[nlroma1o]

I don't know how they added up the power punches, but to me power punches equal an obvious effect on the opponent. I didn't see Manny fazed once as where Floyd was shook up a few times and every time he hugged Manny or ran away to avoid going down.

I know this is Floyd's style and I don't think anybody is denying that he's the best at taking advantage of the scoring system. The problem is nobody watches boxing to see someone focus purely on the scoring system to win a fight. It’s why he got booed and catches so much flak. Nobody wants to see that shit!

Notice how boring it was to here me talk about scoring systems and boxing together.

Stronger and Faster. Hardest Punch. Can take a Punch. Dodge and Counter (with something that does damage). This is what we want to see in boxing. Floyd's faster, but his counters didn't do shit to Manny.

^^^
Excellent post man. You hit everything spot on. And the bolded is exactly the truth. His shots on Manny didnt do a damn thing.

 

[ulukinatme]

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[nlroma1o]

Should "the aggressor" at least be required to throw more punches in a fight?

In this case, when one boxer is as passive and non confronting as Mayweather is, its pretty easy to tell that Manny was the aggressor. Almost all of the action of the fight had to be generated by Manny going after Floyd. You never really saw it the other way around.

So I guess I'm saying the scoring is fuking stupid and flawed. Just because you flail around and throw a shit ton of soft, weak counter punches, doesn't mean hes being more effective then the guy who is trying to hunt down the other guy but in the end may throw less punches. It just doesnt make any damn sense.

 

[ulukinatme]

Can boxing be saved? Seems like there's a lot of rules in place to protect the boxers and there's guys like Mayweather that focus on the points while casual fans want action. Boxing diehards will always watch regardless, but I wonder if we'll ever see boxing get big again like it was during parts of the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Can boxing be saved? Seems like there's a lot of rules in place to protect the boxers and there's guys like Mayweather that focus on the points while casual fans want action. Boxing diehards will always watch regardless, but I wonder if we'll ever see boxing get big again like it was during parts of the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

Boxing needs a true heavy weight who transcends the sport. Ali, Tyson, Foreman even Lewis to a degree. The true boxing fans will always appreciate a Mayweather or Jones Jr., but to turn those casual teens into hardcore fans they need an Ali.

 

[tussin]

Can boxing be saved? Seems like there's a lot of rules in place to protect the boxers and there's guys like Mayweather that focus on the points while casual fans want action. Boxing diehards will always watch regardless, but I wonder if we'll ever see boxing get big again like it was during parts of the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

I think the bigger issue is the fact that boxing has no central authority or league and that the only way to see the elite fighters in action is to shell out $100 for a PPV. The viewership model inherently restricts the sport from growing it's fanbase.

I'm not too worried about the future of the sport from an in-ring standpoint (at least at the middleweight and lighter classes). The boring nature of Saturday's fight was a stylistic issue and nothing more IMO. There are still plenty of exciting fighters out there, it is just unfortunate that the most hyped fight of this era featured an aging fighter with a defensive, take no chances style.

All that being said, I think the heavyweight division may never return to its former glory.