#3 Notre Dame ACC vs. #6 Butler Big East (9:40 on TBS)

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Regardless of where it goes from here, that's a successful campaign, hopefully will silence the Brey detractors...
 
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Way to piss away the win on the spread. ND didn't even seem to know it was a 1&1. Lets just let this guy cruise on by and dunk it.

Makes me want to vomit
 
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ACamp1900 said:
Regardless of where it goes from here, that's a successful campaign, hopefully will silence the Brey detractors...
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I'll personally be a little disappointed if we don't make it to the Elite 8 with this group
 
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loomis41973 said:
Way to piss away the win on the spread. ND didn't even seem to know it was a 1&1. Lets just let this guy cruise on by and dunk it.

Makes me want to vomit
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My buddy just texted me from Vegas. Had a lot of $$$ on the Irish and, to say he wasn't pleased with that last dunk would be an understatement!

What a game by Vasturia!!!
 
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I'm not really an ND hoops fan, but I was rooting for ND to win just to see more Connaughton. I feel like you guys don't appreciate him enough. He might be basketball Jesus - he does everything, big threes, put back dunks, blocking shots, saving teammates from fighting each other in the huddle, reading and shutting down plays on defense, saving teammates' turnovers from rolling out of bounds...and he's really a baseball player! I wish he would have played football. Seems like the type of guy who would take whatever job you gave him and crush it.

Bad hair, but I'll give that a pass.
 
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Most of the time people just say it but butler really did play hard that was one scrappy team.
 
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Rhode Irish said:
I'm not really an ND hoops fan, but I was rooting for ND to win just to see more Connaughton. I feel like you guys don't appreciate him enough. He might be basketball Jesus - he does everything, big threes, put back dunks, blocking shots, saving teammates from fighting each other in the huddle, reading and shutting down plays on defense, saving teammates' turnovers from rolling out of bounds...and he's really a baseball player! I wish he would have played football. Seems like the type of guy who would take whatever job you gave him and crush it.

Bad hair, but I'll give that a pass.
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We need to run more plays for him towards the basket.
 
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I really hope those refs never see another game in this tournament. ND played pretty damn bad, but they were not making it any easier. They ought to be ashamed of themselves for allowing themselves to be so biased.

That being said, I say this makes this season a success, but given our opponent in the next round, I'd be disappointed if we lose that. Kansas is not a good team at all, but Wichita State could cause problems.
 
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the continued brey hate on here is awful. some of u need to lurk more.
 
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AgentJ said:
the continued brey hate on here is awful. some of u need to lurk more.
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I really doubt anybody hates Brey. He's great in the regular season, but he's just a perennial underperformer in the tournament. He's done a great job this year, and I maintain ND should have won by much more in both of their games so far, but that doesn't matter right now. He got to the Sweet 16, and that's pretty much all anybody's ever wanted from him. We're playing with house money now, and hopefully the whole team will be more relaxed and play better from now on.
 
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Grant was beside him. And you have to take in to account the time to rise and release. I can see both sides, I just think if I'm Brey and I see Auguste come down with the rebound and take off dribbling, I'm calling a TO.
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Disagree. Danny Ainge drove the length of the floor and hit a layup to beat us in 2.9 seconds.
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This is what's funny about this discussion. Apparently, there wasn't enough time to get up the floor... or was there TONS of time to get up the floor because you can go the full length in 2.9 seconds? I guess I'm in the middle of the two spectrums.

Basically, if the plan is to play it conservative then Brey should've been screaming for a timeout immediately after the ball was loose. There's effectively a 0% chance barring absurdity that you LOSE the game if you take a timeout... where trying to push in transition has a non-zero chance of catastrophe. So I totally understand that point of view and it's a good one.

In terms of scoring, I don't think it's arguable that you have a better chance of scoring pushing it in transition than calling a timeout and letting them set up the defense and then trying to advance it up the floor from the inbounds. People generally say that 4 seconds is enough time to inbounds the ball below the free throw line and get to the rim against bad defense or take a jump shot if they at least make a token effort to stop ball. The ball was possessed with somewhere around 3 seconds and if Auguste passes it to Grant then Grant is somewhere around half court with 2 seconds to play... he's going to have a very reasonable chance to win it. BUT there's the risk that we saw realized...

So in short I'm fine with either the aggressive or conservative approach, but IMO I don't think it's a no brainer to call a timeout there every time.
 
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I don't even get the argument that they should have called timeout.... before Auguste turned it over? That is one of the more absurd second guesses I've ever heard. It doesn't make sense on any level unless he could somehow foresee what happened, and obviously he couldn't. I'm not even 100% convinced he could have gotten one called before the whistle blew.
 
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Crazy Balki said:
I really hope those refs never see another game in this tournament. ND played pretty damn bad, but they were not making it any easier. They ought to be ashamed of themselves for allowing themselves to be so biased.

That being said, I say this makes this season a success, but given our opponent in the next round, I'd be disappointed if we lose that. Kansas is not a good team at all, but Wichita State could cause problems.
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Here's the crazy thing to me... the Butler players (specifically Jones) just repeatedly drove right into our defenders and got the call every time. Sometimes with flailing arms out of control. Sometimes with with the ball tucked away like a goddamn running back. I literally don't know what our guys are supposed to do but flop and try to take a charge...

Beachem has a play early in the game where he barely makes contact (if any at all) on a shot where he goes out of his way to stop short of the defender who has position. The guy flops and is rewarded with a charge. The amount of contact they got away with inside versus what we got away with was pure insanity. And the missed goal tend was inexcusable. In general though, not the worst reffed game. I just don't think they officiated the inside play well.

As for ND, I don't think they played bad. They defended everyone but Jones well and it's arguable that he got bailed out by the refs. But Brey had a really stupid defensive game plan on him for a long stretch sticking Jerian Grant on a guy he couldn't possibly guard. I also think he left Auguste in way too long and miss-utilized him. In general though, I thought they defended very well for stretches of the game.

ND's offense generated tons of open 3s and they just didn't fall. ND also missed a reasonable number of free throws while Butler drastically over-performed at the line. I think in expected-value of opportunities we probably destroyed Butler, but the execution wasn't there.
 
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IrishLax said:
This is what's funny about this discussion. Apparently, there wasn't enough time to get up the floor... or was there TONS of time to get up the floor because you can go the full length in 2.9 seconds? I guess I'm in the middle of the two spectrums.

Basically, if the plan is to play it conservative then Brey should've been screaming for a timeout immediately after the ball was loose. There's effectively a 0% chance barring absurdity that you LOSE the game if you take a timeout... where trying to push in transition has a non-zero chance of catastrophe. So I totally understand that point of view and it's a good one.

In terms of scoring, I don't think it's arguable that you have a better chance of scoring pushing it in transition than calling a timeout and letting them set up the defense and then trying to advance it up the floor from the inbounds. People generally say that 4 seconds is enough time to inbounds the ball below the free throw line and get to the rim against bad defense or take a jump shot if they at least make a token effort to stop ball. The ball was possessed with somewhere around 3 seconds and if Auguste passes it to Grant then Grant is somewhere around half court with 2 seconds to play... he's going to have a very reasonable chance to win it. BUT there's the risk that we saw realized...

So in short I'm fine with either the aggressive or conservative approach, but IMO I don't think it's a no brainer to call a timeout there every time.
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I don't think there was a reason to call a TO right away since Grant would have the ball at halfcourt in transition and would have a good look. There's no way he expected Auguste to try to dribble it past halfcourt and I think it's a good call to let the players flow instead of calling a timeout right away, especially since the inbounds pass won't be at halfcourt like it is in the NBA.
 
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I really doubt anybody hates Brey. He's great in the regular season, but he's just a perennial underperformer in the tournament. He's done a great job this year, and I maintain ND should have won by much more in both of their games so far, but that doesn't matter right now. He got to the Sweet 16, and that's pretty much all anybody's ever wanted from him. We're playing with house money now, and hopefully the whole team will be more relaxed and play better from now on.
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I like this...'bout sums it up.

Horrible game plan tonight
Horrible execution
Horribly prepared
 
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