'15 GA S Arrington Farrar (Wisconsin Signee)

[drake29]

So we again fail to start a season with 85 scholarship players because we can't fill a class. White to safety makes since - although I never saw him making an impact at corner. Not sure I see more upside at safety.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Yup. Or Butler. As long as you're moving at lest one guy you're probably fine. And Farrar has no ability to be a "rangy" type of FS which is what's the depth hole on the roster.

It's just sad because Edwards was a versatile and talented prospect we really should've landed. Cooks not getting it done makes a lot more sense now though.

The problem for me is that CB isn't a position oozing of excess talent. Looking at next year, you will have the following without any position changes:

KVR, Cole Luke, Butler and Watkins. That's it.

At safety you will have Max, Shumate, Drue & most likely Farley.

Incoming recruits you have Coleman, Crawford & White at DB and Williams and Fertitta at S.

If you move Butler, you will have six CB's on the roster. There is a very real chance that both KVR and Luke would not be on the 2016 roster, which would mean that you would enter 2016 with a RS Soph (with most likely little to no starting experience) as your lead corner with either Crawford, Coleman or White as your other starter. One of the three better be on the same level as KVR & avoid the injury bug for that not to come back and really bite hard. At S, you would have Max and someone else in 2016, most likely Drue.

This wouldn't be that big of deal if we could ensure a healthy backfield along with a very good pass rush. Injuries are fluky, but there is nothing in the cards at this point that makes the pass rush look like a good bet.

 

[NDPhilly]

We have 3 very talented WR coming in next year behind already great WR depth. Holmes is pretty much exactly what we wanted at safety in that he is 6'1", rangy, and has great ball skills while Farrar reminded me a lott of John Turner tbh. Given a spring and fall camp I'm sure he could be a contributor there. The other option would be moving Butler to safety and Holmes to corner.

 

[IrishLax]

Against Wisconsin, yes. There's also the fact that he does have a pre-existing relationship dating back to his sophomore season when he camped with ND. He also caught a game on campus back in October of 2012 as an unofficial visitor.

You do raise a good point considering Wisconsin has some brand new coaches that have been on him just about as long as we have unless I'm missing some link somewhere. I had been thinking that with Cooks out and no other long standing relationships to compensate we'd be at a serious disadvantage, but that's maybe not true.

 

[drake29]

The problem for me is that CB isn't a position oozing of excess talent. Looking at next year, you will have the following without any position changes:

KVR, Cole Luke, Butler and Watkins. That's it.

At safety you will have Max, Shumate, Drue & most likely Farley.

Incoming recruits you have Coleman, Crawford & White at DB and Williams and Fertitta at S.

If you move Butler, you will have six CB's on the roster. There is a very real chance that both KVR and Luke would not be on the 2016 roster, which would mean that you would enter 2016 with a RS Soph (with most likely little to no starting experience) as your lead corner with either Crawford, Coleman or White as your other starter. One of the three better be on the same level as KVR & avoid the injury bug for that not to come back and really bite hard. At S, you would have Max and someone else in 2016, most likely Drue.

This wouldn't be that big of deal if we could ensure a healthy backfield along with a very good pass rush. Injuries are fluky, but there is nothing in the cards at this point that makes the pass rush look like a good bet.

I think the pass rush will look much better once the current freshmen have a full season in the weight room under their belt. I really like the upside of Trumbetti, Hill, Blankenship and Williams rushing the passer. Not to mention Hayes from the interior. Everyone prior to that was recruited for Diaco's defense where pressuring the QB was not a priority. That said - they still need to pull out all the stops for pass rushers like they did in 2011. Ishaq realizing his potential as an edge rusher would help a lot for next season as well.

 

[rtrn2glory]

i just don't like the idea of moving a guy with zero experience in the secondary. i know we need depth there, but i think we'd be better off moving one of the corners there.

did holmes even play DB in high school?

 

[Irish Fam]

The problem for me is that CB isn't a position oozing of excess talent. Looking at next year, you will have the following without any position changes:

KVR, Cole Luke, Butler and Watkins. That's it.

At safety you will have Max, Shumate, Drue & most likely Farley.

Incoming recruits you have Coleman, Crawford & White at DB and Williams and Fertitta at S.

If you move Butler, you will have six CB's on the roster. There is a very real chance that both KVR and Luke would not be on the 2016 roster, which would mean that you would enter 2016 with a RS Soph (with most likely little to no starting experience) as your lead corner with either Crawford, Coleman or White as your other starter. One of the three better be on the same level as KVR & avoid the injury bug for that not to come back and really bite hard. At S, you would have Max and someone else in 2016, most likely Drue.

This wouldn't be that big of deal if we could ensure a healthy backfield along with a very good pass rush. Injuries are fluky, but there is nothing in the cards at this point that makes the pass rush look like a good bet.

Where I would disagree with your logic is that Fertita and Farley are safeties. They are both likely to play the nickel back role - although we may be forced to put Farley back at safety this year.

I would clump both of them into the corner group rather than the safety group.

 

[NDWorld247]

So we again fail to start a season with 85 scholarship players because we can't fill a class. White to safety makes since - although I never saw him making an impact at corner. Not sure I see more upside at safety.

We have about a dozen 5Y players to choose from to get to 85. Starting the season with less than 85 doesn't have anything to do with landing another safety in this class.

p.s. White is going to be a stud!

 

[ResLife Hero]

Wiltfong changed his CB to cloudy so this might not be over yet.

 

[drake29]

As far as position changes go I would much rather see Prosise move back to Safety before anyone else.

 

[IrishLax]

Per 247...

Did not meet with Kelly. But he came into the trip knowing he wouldn't meet with Kelly, because Kelly had a contractual obligation with NBC (as part of being the head coach of Notre Dame) to be at the Super Bowl doing stuff that weekend.

Says the disappointing thing was not getting enough time with coaches. Wanted to hear more about scheme and his fit. Makes some sense considering Cooks jumping ship, but disappointing that BVG or someone couldn't step in here.

I'd bet he picks Wisconsin, but this could go either way.

 

[NDdomer2]

I still don't see why we would move Corey, who is reportedly closer to seeing the field than other WR, to a different position. There has to be another WR that is further behind at WR that would make more sense in switching to D.

Hopefully we dont have to do any position switching as far as O > D or D > O.

 

[tko]

Wiltfong changed his CB to cloudy so this might not be over yet.

Cloudy with a chance of drive by:

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[arrowryan]

I still don't see why we would move Corey, who is reportedly closer to seeing the field than other WR, to a different position. There has to be another WR that is further behind at WR that would make more sense in switching to D.

Hopefully we dont have to do any position switching as far as O > D or D > O.

I agree that there could be a wide receiver other than Corey Holmes that could move to safety. But even though he is closer to seeing the field than someone like Justin Brent, is he really that close? This team has so many talented receivers that they don't know what to do with some of them. I'm starting to like the idea of moving Holmes to safety and I see the depth chart looking like this...

FS: Redfield, Collinsworth, Holmes

SS: Shumate, Tranquill, Farley, Williams (?)

 

[NDPhilly]

Per 247...

Did not meet with Kelly. But he came into the trip knowing he wouldn't meet with Kelly, because Kelly had a contractual obligation with NBC (as part of being the head coach of Notre Dame) to be at the Super Bowl doing stuff that weekend.

Says the disappointing thing was not getting enough time with coaches. Wanted to hear more about scheme and his fit. Makes some sense considering Cooks jumping ship, but disappointing that BVG or someone couldn't step in here.

I'd bet he picks Wisconsin, but this could go either way.

But what am I supposed to do with these pitchforks?

 

[CanadalovesND]

I agree that there could be a wide receiver other than Corey Holmes that could move to safety. But even though he is closer to seeing the field than someone like Justin Brent, is he really that close? This team has so many talented receivers that they don't know what to do with some of them. I'm starting to like the idea of moving Holmes to safety and I see the depth chart looking like this...

FS: Redfield, Collinsworth, Holmes

SS: Shumate, Tranquill, Farley, Williams (?)

He getting a sixth year or something?

 

[arrowryan]

He getting a sixth year or something?

I thought he was coming back. I could be wrong

 

[Cali_domer]

But what am I supposed to do with these pitchforks?

I'm just sharpening mine for next year...

 

[IrishLax]

Basically, you need 6 safeties and 6 CBs on your roster heading into fall camp that you think can effectively play the position. So right now, hypothetically...

FS: Redfield, Farley*, Butler/Holmes/White
SS: Shumate, Tranquill, Williams
CB: KVR, Luke, Watkins, Coleman, Crawford, Farley*, Butler/White/Holmes

Seems like it would be OK. Farley can play both "slot" and FS. Crawford is probably ready to play as a freshman in the slot. The big question is what happens with Drue Tranquill's recovery. No matter what you've got to move at least one guy to safety if you don't land Farrar. No way around it.

 

[zelezo vlk]

How the hell did we not know Kelly is contractually obligated to be at the Super Bowl?

 

[Grahambo]

How the hell did we not know Kelly is contractually obligated to be at the Super Bowl?

Because its none of our business.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Because its none of our business.

We know plenty of things that aren't our business. Considering our insatiable appetite for all things ND, I'm surprised that little nugget of information never made it to us before today.

 

[Grahambo]

We know plenty of things that aren't our business. Considering our insatiable appetite for all things ND, I'm surprised that little nugget of information never made it to us before today.

There are so many little nuggets in a contract that it doesn't surprise me.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Per 247...

Did not meet with Kelly. But he came into the trip knowing he wouldn't meet with Kelly, because Kelly had a contractual obligation with NBC (as part of being the head coach of Notre Dame) to be at the Super Bowl doing stuff that weekend.

Says the disappointing thing was not getting enough time with coaches. Wanted to hear more about scheme and his fit. Makes some sense considering Cooks jumping ship, but disappointing that BVG or someone couldn't step in here.

I'd bet he picks Wisconsin, but this could go either way.

Thanks for posting. Since we don't know the specifics, I think BK's hands were tied. Part of me wonders why he doesn't keep an open calendar for the last weekend before signing day, but again; I don't know the specifics that went into this. The fact is that the other coaches were there incl the DC so to hear Farrar left wanting more time w/ the coaches is disconcerting. Still, I'd like to know the reason(s) why.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Cooks is jumping ship?


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[woolybug25]

Thanks for posting. Since we don't know the specifics, I think BK's hands were tied. Part of me wonders why he doesn't keep an open calendar for the last weekend before signing day, but again; I don't know the specifics that went into this. The fact is that the other coaches were there incl the DC so to hear Farrar left wanting more time w/ the coaches is disconcerting. Still, I'd like to know the reason(s) why.

He probably would if the university didn't force him to be at the Super Bowl. This is another example where people will probably jump all over BK for being lazy, when really, he was doing exactly what the university mandated him to do in his contract.

 

[Nick Setta]

Move Butler and White IMO.

If Holmes is developing into a STUD wr keep him there and unleash him next year.

 

[NDPhilly]

Per Scout UNC is out and the final two is in fact Wisky and ND. Anna doesn't believe he is a silent anywhere. Per maxpreps he is announcing at 3 PM

 

[Luckylucci]

Loy with the CB to Wiscy

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

Never mind.