'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[irishfan]

It makes sense for him to start looking into it now. He'd be really scrambling if he got beat out in Spring Ball, and had to start the transfer process in April. Better to gauge some of his options now.

He also could have already talked to BK about this situation. I doubt Golson would feel comfortable staying at ND for his 5th year if he and Zaire ended Spring Ball in a dead heat for the starting job. Maybe BK has already told EG that this competition will be going all spring and summer, and EG isn't comfortable with that?

 

[Booslum31]

I'm not buying it. He hasn't even lost his job at ND yet.

Are you saying that you don't believe that he actually reached out to LSU or that he won't actually transfer?

 

[kmoose]

Are you saying that you don't believe that he actually reached out to LSU or that he won't actually transfer?

Yes

 

[Luckylucci]

I totally buy it. There is so much smoke out there that Golson's camp has reached out to South Carolina, Texas, and UCLA already. Whether he goes or not isn't important but if he needs to ultimately leave to get playing time elsewhere he needs to start looking now.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

The real question is, does he even have the chest for it? Don't hate, it had to be asked.

 

[GoldenDomer]

The real question is, does he even have the chest for it? Don't hate, it had to be asked.

This

 

[Rocket89]

I know, right?

Especially since after just 50 career snaps we know with certainty that Zaire is a nice improving slope. #solved

 

[ulukinatme]

Between this, and the fact he already reached out for an NFL draft grade, I say good riddance. Right or wrong, I'm behind Zaire if he's the starting QB now. I want a QB that wants to be here and is going to do things the right way, and it's becoming clear that Golson isn't that guy.

 

[arrowryan]

I totally buy it. There is so much smoke out there that Golson's camp has reached out to South Carolina, Texas, and UCLA already. Whether he goes or not isn't important but if he needs to ultimately leave to get playing time elsewhere he needs to start looking now.

Zaire vs. Golson on September 5th. That would be insane

 

[IrishLion]

Lol looks like Kizer and Wimbush better get ready to put their big boy pants on and compete for the #2 spot.

 

[wizards8507]

Especially since after just 50 career snaps we know with certainty that Zaire is a nice improving slope. #solved

It's not about predicting the future for Malik, it's about observing the past for Golson. We know very little about Zaire after "50 career snaps," but we know plenty about Golson after hundreds upon hundreds of career snaps.

 

[koonja]

If true, dueces.

 

[ulukinatme]

Zaire vs. Golson on September 5th. That would be insane

Well, we've done that one before with Clausen vs. Zach Frazer...and it ended badly.

 

[#1rish]

On the plus side, he's still on track to graduate and get his degree in the Spring.

I always feel bad for those who transfer or declare without finishing their degree at ND.

 

[Ndaccountant]

It's not about predicting the future for Malik, it's about observing the past for Golson. We know very little about Zaire after "50 career snaps," but we know plenty about Golson after hundreds upon hundreds of career snaps.

That's true.

Many ND fans felt the same way about EG when comparing to Tommy.

Fact is, it won't matter who is QB until BK commits to an offense style like the one on display versus LSU.

 

[wizards8507]

Fact is, it won't matter who is QB until BK commits to an offense style like the one on display versus LSU.

...which he can't do with EG's body type and skill set.

Lol looks like Kizer and Wimbush better get ready to put their big boy pants on and compete for the #2 spot.

I'm hoping Kizer if for no other reason than eligibility planning purposes. It would suck to have Kizer and Wimbush both "expire" the same year.

 

[Ndaccountant]

...which he can't do with EG's body type and skill set.

True....but he could still deploy a run first scheme (2012 style) that maximizes what he does best. EG is great when he is apart of the offense. He struggles when he IS the offense.

 

[Luckylucci]

...which he can't do with EG's body type and skill set.


I'm hoping Kizer if for no other reason than eligibility planning purposes. It would suck to have Kizer and Wimbush both "expire" the same year.

We did in 2012. The reality is it would just look different. You don't have to use the zone read to be a successful rushing team. Just like you don't have to use the zone read to be committed to the run.

 

[DillonHall]

I was under the impression that Kizer and Wimbush were more similar to Golson than to Malik. Do you guys think this is true?

 

[anarin]

Wouldn't it make more sense to transfer to a school that has a senior leaving this year? Rather than competing with a soon to be junior?

 

[Luckylucci]

I was under the impression that Kizer and Wimbush were more similar to Golson than to Malik. Do you guys think this is true?

If I were to base it on what their best asset is between running and throwing. Yes, I think both Kizer and Wimbush are better passers than runners.

 

[wizards8507]

True....but he could still deploy a run first scheme (2012 style) that maximizes what he does best. EG is great when he is apart of the offense. He struggles when he IS the offense.

You said "offense style like the one on display versus LSU." That was a QB-heavy read option offense. I agree with you if all you meant was "run first."

We did in 2012. The reality is it would just look different. You don't have to use the zone read to be a successful rushing team. Just like you don't have to use the zone read to be committed to the run.

See above. Also, I think you do need the quarterback to be a runner if you're going to run anything like what we've seen from Kelly the past few years. When you're running single back sets out of the shotgun, you need the QB run component to keep the defense on their toes. If we were running split backs or a lot of jet motion or something along those lines, you wouldn't need your QB to be a threat, but when it's Golson and Folston in the backfield, it's way too easy if the defense knows that Folston is the only one who might carry the ball.

 

[ryno 24]

I dont blame him one bit especially if he gets his degree before he transfers which it sounds like he will. The Russel Wilson analogy would be similar as well. Wilson spent his career at NC State with a more spread system, then he went to Wisconsin and played a smash mouth style and was successful doing what was necessary.

Also, I think the offense would be the perfect style offense with Zaire in there and I'm not even talking about the zone read. It is more smash mouth which wins big time college football, yet it also has the ability to open up. This would be very similar to Ohio State's offense. The two qbs behind Zaire would also perfectly fit the mold as both are huge Dual threat style.

 

[tussin]

Hope he graduates. If so, best of luck...can't say I blame him if he has the starting job somewhere else. I will always be thankful for EG and his help in 2012.

 

[ryno 24]

Both Kizer and Wimbush may be better throwers (though I am not quite sure about Kizer) than runners, but both are physical and will be at least 220-230 by the time they will be playing and are physical runners.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm hoping Kizer if for no other reason than eligibility planning purposes. It would suck to have Kizer and Wimbush both "expire" the same year.

I'm still banking on Kizer being a super-stud based on early reviews about his arm-talent and command.

He has the size necessary to see the entire field and really be dangerous in the pocket, something that couldn't be said for Rees or Golson. If he grasps the mental side of things, he could be the Superman/ND version of Tony Pike.

 

[wizards8507]

I'm still banking on Kizer being a super-stud based on early reviews about his arm-talent and command.

He has the size necessary to see the entire field and really be dangerous in the pocket, something that couldn't be said for Rees or Golson. If he grasps the mental side of things, he could be the Superman/ND version of Tony Pike.

Is he expected to strictly be a pocket passer, or will he carry the ball from time to time? I assume he needs to add weight to get that "body armor" that BK talks about.

 

[arrowryan]

I was under the impression that Kizer and Wimbush were more similar to Golson than to Malik. Do you guys think this is true?

I actually think Kizer and Wimbush are more similar to Malik, physically. I think Kizer will be more of a pocket passer but can escape the pocket if he absolutely has too (think Big Ben). I think Wimbush will have the size and running ability of Malik and the arm strength of Golson.

 

[Henges24]

Good luck to EG if he decides to leave. Will be rooting for LSU next year or wherever he ends up.

 

[ryno 24]

Is he expected to strictly be a pocket passer, or will he carry the ball from time to time? I assume he needs to add weight to get that "body armor" that BK talks about.

He still needs to add more weight but he as often as he threw in high school. Reminded me of a very poor man's Cam Newton. He will probably need to add a good 15-20 still before he can take that beating but that is what he reminds me of.