'15 OH CB Shaun Crawford (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

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Picked off Blake Barnett in practice. Kids a baller and lets hope he stays committed.
 
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This was the one I was worried about. Hopefully nothing comes of it.
 
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Outside of this year, Hoke always recruited well too. Kids would go to thst stupid BBQ and the commit. So, what's the difference?

Hopefully, the new car smell doesnt impact Crawford or Bilal.
 
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irish o'phile said:
Outside of this year, Hoke always recruited well too. Kids would go to thst stupid BBQ and the commit. So, what's the difference?

Hopefully, the new car smell doesnt impact Crawford or Bilal.
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The difference is Harbaugh is a proven winner with NFL ties, now recruiting in ND's backyard, and ND is currently vulnerable.
 
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irish o'phile said:
Outside of this year, Hoke always recruited well too. Kids would go to thst stupid BBQ and the commit. So, what's the difference?

Hopefully, the new car smell doesnt impact Crawford or Bilal.
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Harbaugh is the difference, and that is a HUGE difference.
 
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irishandy said:
Can college programs hire recruiters only? If so ND needs to step up and hire recruiters (and pay the assistants & recruiters well).
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Not sure how effective this would be. I feel like a lot of the connection between recruit and coach is because the player trusts someone who is around the game so much. I think if you get non-football guys to recruit players, there won't be as strong a bond.
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Full time recruiters were outlawed by the NCAA (at the head coaches insistentence) in the around 1990. Lou Holtz had brought Vinny Cerrato to ND as a full time recruiter. Other teams assigned that duty to a position coach. Holtz felt recruiting was critical particularyly at ND where JUCOs are non-existant so a coach does get to correct a mistake with a freshman that didn't work out by bringing in a "plug in" 20 or 21 year old "minor league" veteran. At ND you have to get it right when recruiting or you replace that transferred upperclassman with a 17 or 18 year old.

With scholarship dropping down to a max of 85 back around 86 or so, Holtz wanted the best judge of talent as his recruiting coordinator. He was willing to sacrifice a position coach to do so.

Cerrato was incrediblely successful. Just check ND's record in the early Hotlz years and check the NFL Draft. ND sent a lot of Cerrato players to the NFL. Others coaches complained that Cerrato as a fulltime recruiter gave ND an unfair advantage. BUT it was compleletly allowed by the rules. Any of the other coaches could have assigned a full time recruiter but they didn't. So the coaches association recommended a rule change to teh NCAA restriciting recruiting ONLY to Position Coaches.

Cerrato moved on to the NFL as a Player Development Specialist (talent evaluator). Cerrato's last ND Class graduated after the '93 seasson. It was BC, it was lack of Cerrato talent that caused ND's program to falter and stumble through the next two decades. Holtz the Legend became just a good coach without Cerrato's "X"s and "O"s on the field.

Was it worth it? You bet. ND hasn't reached the power and consistency it had when Cerrato recruited for a great coach.
 
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I think Harbaugh is a bigger threat to Urban Meyer than Brian Kelly. Until the big ten wins against elite teams it will stay like that.
 
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irishandy said:
Can college programs hire recruiters only? If so ND needs to step up and hire recruiters (and pay the assistants & recruiters well).
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If I am not mistaken, isn't Tosh Lupoi currently on the payroll at Alabama in a non-coaching position?

Also the former coach from Friendship High in Maryland (where Eddie Goldman etc.) came from is on the payroll at Alabama doing something or another.
 
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BoredIrish said:
If I am not mistaken, isn't Tosh Lupoi currently on the payroll at Alabama in a non-coaching position?

Also the former coach from Friendship High in Maryland (where Eddie Goldman etc.) came from is on the payroll at Alabama doing something or another.
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Bama calls them analysts:
Intern Tosh Lupoi latest high-profile Alabama Crimson Tide staffer - ESPN

I guess this is similar to the J Franklin role... but Bama has seven of them.

Just one more way ND is playing catch-up.
 
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We used to have one correct? As in last year. The dude that sent out the 'pot of gold'. JR Sandlin or something. He went on to be the Jacksonville St. TE coach and recruiting coordinator.
 
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Vinny Cerrato was the man behind a lot of those powerful Holtz teams. He only recently retired as the general manager of the Washington Redskins. Wish he would come back to South Bend as a special teams coach/ recruiting expert!
 
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While I know there are lots of people freaking out about Crawford taking a phone call from Jim Harbaugh, and I get it......however, I think he stays Irish, and I cannot Blane him for getting a chance to talk to a Jim Harbaugh type of coach. If I'm committed to ND, I still take that call, but that's me personally.
 
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OCIrish said:
While I know there are lots of people freaking out about Crawford taking a phone call from Jim Harbaugh, and I get it......however, I think he stays Irish, and I cannot Blane him for getting a chance to talk to a Jim Harbaugh type of coach. If I'm committed to ND, I still take that call, but that's me personally.
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Everyone would pick up the phone. He just said it out loud. I really doubt he flips but you never know.
 
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While I know there are lots of people freaking out about Crawford taking a phone call from Jim Harbaugh, and I get it......however, I think he stays Irish, and I cannot Blane him for getting a chance to talk to a Jim Harbaugh type of coach. If I'm committed to ND, I still take that call, but that's me personally.
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He was previously committed to Michigan. That says something.
 
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I'm open to correction on this, but my understanding of Harbaugh's defense is that it's similar to Diaco's-- 3-4 with a preference for size over speed. At 5'9'', 165, Crawford is a mighty mite much better suited to BvG's man-oriented scheme.

Harbaugh may pursue anyway, simply because Shawn appears to be low hanging fruit and he needs any and all talent he can grab this cycle. But it can't hurt our chances of keeping him that he's not remotely close to a prototypical Harbaugh CB.
 
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Whiskeyjack said:
I'm open to correction on this, but my understanding of Harbaugh's defense is that it's similar to Diaco's-- 3-4 with a preference for size over speed. At 5'9'', 165, Crawford is a mighty mite much better suited to BvG's man-oriented scheme.

Harbaugh may pursue anyway, simply because Shawn appears to be low hanging fruit and he needs any and all talent he can grab this cycle. But it can't hurt our chances of keeping him that he's not remotely close to a prototypical Harbaugh CB.
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Could just as easily be a slot WR for Harboner
 
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IrishLax said:
Doesn't regularly use a slot receiver?

Either way this whole discussion is really silly.
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Just playing devil's advocate.

Dude, this is ND recruiting. Discussion about defections is always apropos.
 
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Whiskeyjack said:
I'm open to correction on this, but my understanding of Harbaugh's defense is that it's similar to Diaco's-- 3-4 with a preference for size over speed. At 5'9'', 165, Crawford is a mighty mite much better suited to BvG's man-oriented scheme.

Harbaugh may pursue anyway, simply because Shawn appears to be low hanging fruit and he needs any and all talent he can grab this cycle. But it can't hurt our chances of keeping him that he's not remotely close to a prototypical Harbaugh CB.
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I believe you are correct on Harbaughs D and preference for players.
 
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