Silly Season 2014/2015 (Coaching Changes)

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Irish#1 said:
I think he's a pretty good coach, but he's a lot like Larry Brown. Both are control freaks. People listen the first 2-3 years because they're learning what the coach wants and how to function in his program, but then after about 3 years they get bothered because they won't let them do their job without micro-managing.
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I think it depends where they're at. I would consider Nick Saban a control freak.
 
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GoldenDomer said:
I think it depends where they're at. I would consider Nick Saban a control freak.
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At the college level (moreso than NFL), they all are and have to be.

Recruiting. Boosters. Alumni. Charity work with the team. Off season workouts. Assistant coaches. Academics. Media. Discipline for players. 19 year old kids banging 40 year old porn stars. It doesn't end, and that's all outside of coaching and winning football games.

Kelly's first agenda item was showing dudes where and how to hang $hit in their lockers haha. Given the fact that they're dealing with 18-22 year olds, I don't blame head coaches for being control freaks.
 
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I'll say again that Harbaugh is better suited for the NFL. Just my opinion. If he goes to Michigan, I don't think that's a good fit and he'll fail. I think there's also unneeded pressure at Michigan.
 
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Polish Leppy 22 said:
At the college level (moreso than NFL), they all are and have to be.

Recruiting. Boosters. Alumni. Charity work with the team. Off season workouts. Assistant coaches. Academics. Media. Discipline for players. 19 year old kids banging 40 year old porn stars. It doesn't end, and that's all outside of coaching and winning football games.

Kelly's first agenda item was showing dudes where and how to hang $hit in their lockers haha. Given the fact that they're dealing with 18-22 year olds, I don't blame head coaches for being control freaks.
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Me either. I would actually prefer a coach that acts that way and is in tune with all facets of the program, over a coach who delegates power and then something goes wrong.
 
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Grahambo said:
I'll say again that Harbaugh is better suited for the NFL. Just my opinion. If he goes to Michigan, I don't think that's a good fit and he'll fail. I think there's also unneeded pressure at Michigan.
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It's crazy because, while this is a "home run" hire, it's also got a lot of Hindenburg potential. And there's almost no chance that Harbaugh is there past maybe 5-7 years.

In discussing who'd be best for ND if Kelly left, it was discussed whether Harbaugh would be a good fit. Some said "absolutely," others said "hell no." Those in the "absolutely" camp said "look at what he did at Stanford" and those in the "hell no" camp said "look how badly San Francisco wanted to force out a coach that averaged 12-4 seasons and never did worse than make the NFC title game." And that's true, San Francisco wanted him out this past offseason and tried to trade him and it was reported before a down of football was played this year that Harbaugh wouldn't be back next year.

Sooo... both camps have polar opposite views... and both have logical points to back it up. Here's how I evaluate Harbaugh:

Identity - A. He's not married to a specific scheme, but his teams always seem to understand what they are and he knows how to shape his teams to fit his pieces.
Recruiting: Prospect Selection - A+. Found tons of elite players that no one else thought were any good at all, and also cherry picked some higher ranked guys that he felt fit what he was looking for and was rarely wrong. Little-to-no off the field trouble or attrition.
Recruiting: Salesman/Hustle - C. He doesn't like the grind, but any big time school can basically sell itself if you win, and he usually gets a good recruiting support staff in place to do the legwork.
Player Development - A+.
Game Management - B. Seems above average but not spectacular. No huge blunders that I can remember.
Stability - F. Could bolt Michigan for a good NFL opening, is a powder keg, and everyone hates working with him. His players turned on him despite wins because of his antics. Also literally rubbed a players blood all over his face. Guy is a psychopath.

So basically you'll get a program that stocks itself with good talent and plays hard, disciplined football. That should win 10 games a year in the Big Ten. But he could also flame out at any given time, and he's not going to really "out scheme" anyone. I don't see how someone like Dan Mullen wouldn't be an objectively better choice for substantially less money.
 
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Grahambo said:
I'll say again that Harbaugh is better suited for the NFL. Just my opinion. If he goes to Michigan, I don't think that's a good fit and he'll fail. I think there's also unneeded pressure at Michigan.
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Great point. Just look at what a disaster he was at Stanford...

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IrishLax said:
It's crazy because, while this is a "home run" hire, it's also got a lot of Hindenburg potential. And there's almost no chance that Harbaugh is there past maybe 5-7 years.

In discussing who'd be best for ND if Kelly left, it was discussed whether Harbaugh would be a good fit. Some said "absolutely," others said "hell no." Those in the "absolutely" camp said "look at what he did at Stanford" and those in the "hell no" camp said "look how badly San Francisco wanted to force out a coach that averaged 12-4 seasons and never did worse than make the NFC title game." And that's true, San Francisco wanted him out this past offseason and tried to trade him and it was reported before a down of football was played this year that Harbaugh wouldn't be back next year.

Sooo... both camps have polar opposite views... and both have logical points to back it up. Here's how I evaluate Harbaugh:

Identity - A. He's not married to a specific scheme, but his teams always seem to understand what they are and he knows how to shape his teams to fit his pieces.
Recruiting: Prospect Selection - A+. Found tons of elite players that no one else thought were any good at all, and also cherry picked some higher ranked guys that he felt fit what he was looking for and was rarely wrong. Little-to-no off the field trouble or attrition.
Recruiting: Salesman/Hustle - C. He doesn't like the grind, but any big time school can basically sell itself if you win, and he usually gets a good recruiting support staff in place to do the legwork.
Player Development - A+.
Game Management - B. Seems above average but not spectacular. No huge blunders that I can remember.
Stability - F. Could bolt Michigan for a good NFL opening, is a powder keg, and everyone hates working with him. His players turned on him despite wins because of his antics. Also literally rubbed a players blood all over his face. Guy is a psychopath.

So basically you'll get a program that stocks itself with good talent and plays hard, disciplined football. That should win 10 games a year in the Big Ten. But he could also flame out at any given time, and he's not going to really "out scheme" anyone. I don't see how someone like Dan Mullen wouldn't be an objectively better choice for substantially less money.
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Sounds a lot like...

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Bears, hire him. NOW!
 
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IrishLax said:
It's crazy because, while this is a "home run" hire, it's also got a lot of Hindenburg potential. And there's almost no chance that Harbaugh is there past maybe 5-7 years.

In discussing who'd be best for ND if Kelly left, it was discussed whether Harbaugh would be a good fit. Some said "absolutely," others said "hell no." Those in the "absolutely" camp said "look at what he did at Stanford" and those in the "hell no" camp said "look how badly San Francisco wanted to force out a coach that averaged 12-4 seasons and never did worse than make the NFC title game." And that's true, San Francisco wanted him out this past offseason and tried to trade him and it was reported before a down of football was played this year that Harbaugh wouldn't be back next year.

Sooo... both camps have polar opposite views... and both have logical points to back it up. Here's how I evaluate Harbaugh:

Identity - A. He's not married to a specific scheme, but his teams always seem to understand what they are and he knows how to shape his teams to fit his pieces.
Recruiting: Prospect Selection - A+. Found tons of elite players that no one else thought were any good at all, and also cherry picked some higher ranked guys that he felt fit what he was looking for and was rarely wrong. Little-to-no off the field trouble or attrition.
Recruiting: Salesman/Hustle - C. He doesn't like the grind, but any big time school can basically sell itself if you win, and he usually gets a good recruiting support staff in place to do the legwork.
Player Development - A+.
Game Management - B. Seems above average but not spectacular. No huge blunders that I can remember.
Stability - F. Could bolt Michigan for a good NFL opening, is a powder keg, and everyone hates working with him. His players turned on him despite wins because of his antics. Also literally rubbed a players blood all over his face. Guy is a psychopath.

So basically you'll get a program that stocks itself with good talent and plays hard, disciplined football. That should win 10 games a year in the Big Ten. But he could also flame out at any given time, and he's not going to really "out scheme" anyone. I don't see how someone like Dan Mullen wouldn't be an objectively better choice for substantially less money.
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I think generally, you will find little trouble with Stanford football players because of the type of kids required to attend Stanford to begin with so I don't think that it has as much to do with Harbaugh as much as its Stanford. Now, I understand that Stanford was so awful and it was going to take a little while but he had the one really good year and he left for SF. To me, the NFL has always been on his mind and always will be. Even if he goes back to college, I can't help but think he will eventually end up back in the NFL.

People forget that he interviewed for the NY Jets job back in 2009 before Rex Ryan was hired so he's always been looking to get into the NFL. He got the chance the next season and hasn't looked back. He's winning at a .690% clip and is 5-3 in the playoffs with 3 trips to the NFC title game and one in the Super Bowl. He's a successful NFL head coach and will have plenty of opportunities. Oakland just seems like the perfect match for him. Oakland has a much better chance at succeeding immediately then Michigan does. He gets Oakland to 7-9/8-8 next season and people in Oak will love it and talk major improvements...he goes 6-6 in Michigan and people will be freaking out.
 
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Being reported that Kyle Whittingham could be out at Utah.

Yes, the same Kyle Whittingham that took Utah to an undefeated 13-0 regular season in 2008 where he beat 12-1 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. And was named national coach of the year. And Utah finished in some polls #1 ahead of 13-1 BCS champ Florida. This was a full four years removed from Urban Meyer, too, so it's not riding coattails.

The same Kyle Whittingham that is 8-1 in bowl games and whose success got Utah into the second best Power 5 conference worth MILLIONS a year to the University.

The same Kyle Whittingham that coached Utah this season to a 9-4 record with wins over USC, UCLA, and Stanford and will finish the year ranked in the top 20... despite tons of injuries.

Why? Apparently he's sick of Utah's AD and leadership. It's gone full Harbaugh in Salt Lake City. Apparently they refused to pay his assistants competitively so they're leaving. And they balked at a long term contract extension/raise. So there is a huge rift.

Whittingham would be an upgrade at all but maybe 15-20 programs in the country. Great coach who does a lot with basically nothing to work with.
 
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Deleted that last post. On second reading, it doesn't say anything we don't know.
 
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Just thought, Whittingham to Michigan would be bad news but a great hire. I would argue that Whittingham would be a better hire then Harbaugh.
 
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@BruceFeldmanCFB: Hearing situation between Whittingham & #Utah AD is awful. Staffers wouldn't be surprised if KW gets forced out & are hoping prez steps in.
 
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I like Harbaugh. And him going back to college is great for college football. Just sucks he's going to Michigan. Oh well. At least we don't play them anymore.
 
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A lot of NFL jobs open. The further the carousel moves, the more likely BK gets some phone calls.

Will he answer the phone? Will we know about it? Will he go off the grid or "leave the country" like last time?

Will he ignore it and go all-in on his job at ND for 2015?

Start the rumor mill and plug in to the Twitters haha.
 
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