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US began air strikes on Isis in Syria.

Watching video of Tomahawk missiles being launched off of ships is something else.

Reported right now that 5 Arab states are cooperating with the US in the strikes.
 
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U.S., Arab partners launch first strikes in Syria | Reuters



"I can confirm that U.S. military and partner nation forces are undertaking military action against (Islamic State) terrorists in Syria using a mix of fighter, bomber and Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles," Rear Admiral John Kirby, Pentagon press secretary, said in a statement on Monday.

"Given that these operations are ongoing, we are not in a position to provide additional details at this time."

A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Jordan and Bahrain were involved although their exact roles in the military action were unclear. Qatar played a supporting role in the air strikes, the official said.

Another official said at least one U.S. ship had launched the surface-to-surface Tomahawk missiles. Armed U.S. drones were also used in the attacks
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Snippets from CNN

Targets are command and control targets in Syria. Also training centers and supply depots.

Targets are primarily buildings.

Targets have been hit in Raqqa, a city of 200,000, east of Aleppo.

U.S. Military official says, Saudis, Jordan, UAE and Bahrain taking part in strikes. Qatar is not flying missions but is involved in some support function.

U.S. is the only non-Arab nation involved.
 
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One network said the strikes started 4 hours ago while another said one hour.

The U.S. informed the Syrian U.N. Delegate prior to commencing air strikes.


The talking heads were surprised by the advance warnings as U.S. had previously said they would not cooperate with the Syrians.
 
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I'm glad to hear about these lunatics dying, and I'm somewhat optimistic about the opportunities this whole ordeal presents in regards to Iraq and even possibly even Syria and Iran. But, a few things:

1) These guys are not, at all, an existential threat to the United States. They're not even close, regardless of what the lunatic warhawks in Congress say in interviews (which in my opinion is pathetic leadership). They aren't even an existential threat to the Middle East or Israel would not have hesitated to take swift and overwhelming military action. Turkey too would be jumping up and down. They are a substantial threat to parts of the region, but we should all probably calm down a bit.

2) These guys are not worse than Saddam, and they aren't even much worse than Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia, for what it's worth, is not innocent here. They are one of the worst governments on the planet the billionaire princes there likely facilitated what eventually became this current situation.

3) Republicans shamelessly attacked Obama for not taking action sooner, which was just shameless bullshit. What the US has done in forcing changes in the Iraqi government and assembling Muslim countries for this coalition is pretty impressive.

4) There is no current finish line when it comes to Syria. That's a big problem.

5) Don't put any (non special forces) boots on the ground. It's not worth Americans dying for.

6) ISIS WANTS THE UNITED STATES TO DO ALL OF THIS. That says something...
 

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First strikes were tomahawk missiles from the destroyer USS Arleigh Burke in the Red Sea and cruiser USS Philippine Sea in the north Arabian Sea. Planes were also flown from aircraft carrier George H.W. Bush.


Turkey is not involved at the moment but is expected to be in next few days. ISIS had captured some 40 Turkish diplomats and there families when they captured Mosul. This past weekend negotiations arranged their release. While they were being held, Turkey had refused to allow the U.S. the use of their airbases. This is now expected to change.
 
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I'm glad to hear about these lunatics dying, and I'm somewhat optimistic about the opportunities this whole ordeal presents in regards to Iraq and even possibly even Syria and Iran. But, a few things:

1) These guys are not, at all, an existential threat to the United States. They're not even close, regardless of what the lunatic warhawks in Congress say in interviews (which in my opinion is pathetic leadership). They aren't even an existential threat to the Middle East or Israel would not have hesitated to take swift and overwhelming military action. Turkey too would be jumping up and down. They are a substantial threat to parts of the region, but we should all probably calm down a bit.

2) These guys are not worse than Saddam, and they aren't even much worse than Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia, for what it's worth, is not innocent here. They are one of the worst governments on the planet the billionaire princes there likely facilitated what eventually became this current situation.

3) Republicans shamelessly attacked Obama for not taking action sooner, which was just shameless bullshit. What the US has done in forcing changes in the Iraqi government and assembling Muslim countries for this coalition is pretty impressive.

4) There is no current finish line when it comes to Syria. That's a big problem.

5) Don't put any (non special forces) boots on the ground. It's not worth Americans dying for.

6) ISIS WANTS THE UNITED STATES TO DO ALL OF THIS. That says something...

I don't normally wade into the non-football threads, and I generally agree with all of this, especially points 4, 5 and 6.

But on #2, the Saddam bit (not the Saudi bit, on which I agree with you). For all his faults and pathologies, Saddam was not a fundamentalist and he didn't engage in terrorism against the West. He was a political animal primarily interested in self-preservation. He was someone you could negotiate with and contain, which is what we'd done before we chose to force the issue, which a decade later has led us to here.

With ISIS, these guys dream of inflicting harm on the West. The hard core of them are global jihadis who showed up for the fight, and will keep fighting, and they'd rather die than lose at some bargaining table. If we leave Saddam alone, he'd have kept to himself. If we leave these guys alone, they'll eventually launch the next 9/11, while making life Hell on a whole lot of other people in the meantime. They may not be an existential threat to our union, but they could drag us into some dark places. Better to fight them on their turf (while reminding mainstream Islam that we can be the good guys) than on ours.
 
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Thing about ISIS is that they are recruiting young people from the west to fight for them. That is the only thing that has me worried and when they threatened Canada and said they don't want people to feel safe in their own bedrooms that took it to a whole new level for me.
 
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But on #2, the Saddam bit (not the Saudi bit, on which I agree with you). For all his faults and pathologies, Saddam was not a fundamentalist and he didn't engage in terrorism against the West. He was a political animal primarily interested in self-preservation. He was someone you could negotiate with and contain, which is what we'd done before we chose to force the issue, which a decade later has led us to here.

With ISIS, these guys dream of inflicting harm on the West. The hard core of them are global jihadis who showed up for the fight, and will keep fighting, and they'd rather die than lose at some bargaining table. If we leave Saddam alone, he'd have kept to himself. If we leave these guys alone, they'll eventually launch the next 9/11, while making life Hell on a whole lot of other people in the meantime. They may not be an existential threat to our union, but they could drag us into some dark places. Better to fight them on their turf (while reminding mainstream Islam that we can be the good guys) than on ours.

I dont necessariky disagree with anything you wrote, but i think with Saddam I'm referring to how evil and twisted he was. Saddam was a monster and ISIS sinply isn't anywhere near Saddam's level because Saddam had the ability to make his torture of Iraqis systematic. ISIS doesn't as of right now.

I also don't think fighting ISIS there prevents another terrorist attack on US soil. If they want to fight here it'll happen. It doesn't take much to have extremists toss grenades in mall food courts or whatever. As for 9/11, Osama got exactly what he wanted out of that. We fully committed ourselves to invading multiple parts of the Middle East and encouraged more extremism. You don't fight ideology with bombs.
 

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Thing about ISIS is that they are recruiting young people from the west to fight for them. That is the only thing that has me worried and when they threatened Canada and said they don't want people to feel safe in their own bedrooms that took it to a whole new level for me.

Hey look everybody the Canadian wants us to attack the completely foreign non-threatening "threat" because they said mean things about his country this time.

(Not really attacking you but I've got some friends from Canada who have flip-flopped from "the United States should be isolationist, leave other countries alone, etc." to "attack them they're threatening us and they're evil" over the last 48 hours and I need to vent.)
 

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I dont necessariky disagree with anything you wrote, but i think with Saddam I'm referring to how evil and twisted he was. Saddam was a monster and ISIS sinply isn't anywhere near Saddam's level because Saddam had the ability to make his torture of Iraqis systematic. ISIS doesn't as of right now.

I also don't think fighting ISIS there prevents another terrorist attack on US soil. If they want to fight here it'll happen. It doesn't take much to have extremists toss grenades in mall food courts or whatever. As for 9/11, Osama got exactly what he wanted out of that. We fully committed ourselves to invading multiple parts of the Middle East and encouraged more extremism. You don't fight ideology with bombs.

I'm interested in your solution to fighting ideology.
 
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I'm interested in your solution to fighting ideology.

The biggest thing is that we have to stop creating power vacuums, stability is square one for progress in the region. We don't have problems in places like Jordan. We've got to recognize that we did more to create this situation than anyone else by toppling Saddam and destabilizing Syria.

I think the administration is doing a great job by getting other Muslim countries on board with this. Muslims being the Sheriff of their turf, instead of us, would go a long way. Also forcing Iraq to change their government, away from an unsustainable Shia clusterfuck, was big. From my view, it looks like the administration used American air superiority as a bargaining chip, not willing to go on the offensive against ISIS (from the air) for the hell of it, and that deserves credit from Americans.

I don't have easy answers for fighting ideology over there. I know instability makes it worse. We need a softer touch than boots on the ground. Ideally, there would be stable countries, whether it be with a King/Dictator/Shah or elected President, who will encourage liberalism and being pro-western.
 

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I dont necessariky disagree with anything you wrote, but i think with Saddam I'm referring to how evil and twisted he was. Saddam was a monster and ISIS sinply isn't anywhere near Saddam's level because Saddam had the ability to make his torture of Iraqis systematic. ISIS doesn't as of right now.

I also don't think fighting ISIS there prevents another terrorist attack on US soil. If they want to fight here it'll happen. It doesn't take much to have extremists toss grenades in mall food courts or whatever. As for 9/11, Osama got exactly what he wanted out of that. We fully committed ourselves to invading multiple parts of the Middle East and encouraged more extremism. You don't fight ideology with bombs.

ISIS is murdering innocent people and they're not as bad as Saddam?
 
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ISIS is murdering innocent people and they're not as bad as Saddam?
I think you're underestimating how awful Saddam was. Sure their individual atrocities might be even, but the scale doesn't come close. ISIS might be genocidal, but any military worth a shit can handle them. Saddam had one of the largest militaries in the world, capable of going up against any power in the region except Israel, and operated a police state with dozens of torture centers for imposing his will on Iraq. And by torture I mean if you oppose him it's likely than they'd kidnap your family, gangrape your little girl in front of you, then you can watch her be slowly dissolved in acid...then they take their time on you. Shit like that was not uncommon.

I don't think ISIS is anywhere close to Saddam. Six months going around murdering thousands does not compare to three decades of Saddam. And ISIS' power projection capabilities do not come close to Saddam's either.
 

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I think you're underestimating how awful Saddam was. Sure their individual atrocities might be even, but the scale doesn't come close. ISIS might be genocidal, but any military worth a shit can handle them. Saddam had one of the largest militaries in the world, capable of going up against any power in the region except Israel, and operated a police state with dozens of torture centers for imposing his will on Iraq. And by torture I mean if you oppose him it's likely than they'd kidnap your family, gangrape your little girl in front of you, then you can watch her be slowly dissolved in acid...then they take their time on you. Shit like that was not uncommon.

I don't think ISIS is anywhere close to Saddam. Six months going around murdering thousands does not compare to three decades of Saddam. And ISIS' power projection capabilities do not come close to Saddam's either.

I see what you are saying and tend to agree somewhat. My only comment is ISIS has grown tremendously in a very short period of time and give them 3 decades of unchecked growth like Saddam do you think they will reach Saddam's evilness level? Why not stop them now?
 
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I see what you are saying and tend to agree somewhat. My only comment is ISIS has grown tremendously in a very short period of time and give them 3 decades of unchecked growth like Saddam do you think they will reach Saddam's evilness level? Why not stop them now?
Oh totally. I'm all in favor of using our overwhelming air power on them, I'm just 100% against using American ground forces. The Kurds, Iraqis, Syrians, Turks, Saudis, etc can die cleaning up this mess.
 

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Oh totally. I'm all in favor of using our overwhelming air power on them, I'm just 100% against using American ground forces. The Kurds, Iraqis, Syrians, Turks, Saudis, etc can die cleaning up this mess.

Buster... for once you and I agree. We can't have this type thing occur too many times out here.
 

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I think I am pretty much in line with Buster's way of thinking on this. The level of fear mongering over this garbage is disgusting. As if the politicians and media want every child in 'murica laying awake at night thinking ISIS is outside their window or under their bed.

The more I look at it, the best response to 9/11 would have been paying all victim families $1 million each, rebuilding as fast as possible, shut down middle eastern visas and turning the other cheek. Less than $10 billion spent versus $1 trillion and counting. Thousands of military lives and limbs saved too.
 
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So us leaving the Mid-East will bring stability to the region?
No never said that. But we can take a step back and police from the air instead invading a country for the fourth time in my life.
 

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now we know why the middle east has had/needed strongmen/dictators to control their populations.

gimme the prior middle eastern govts that kept their people in line (more regional stability for us, much easier to deal with) over the free-for-all failed states we are having to deal with in iraq, egypt, yemen, libya, syria we are going to be dealing with as long as all of us are still living.

the inmates are and will contiue to run the asylum that is the middle east.
 

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In any military campaign, the question should be what the exit strategy is. So far, i haven't heard of one for the current military campaign.

All too often, the US goes in full bore, typically achieves everything militarily they want simply due to having superior capability, then turn to the politicians and ask "what's next?" And sadly, the politicians look at each other with these dumb looks on their faces because they haven't given that much thought.

That scenerio has played out for the last 13+ years. And it is playing out again in this case.
 

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Its no coincidence that Israel shot down a Syrian plane, maybe the Syrians trying to pull the Israelis into the conflict?
 
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