Rumored Violations

[Bogtrotter07]

Wouldn't bother me a bit. In fact I would particularly enjoy early morning practices, with lots of gassers, if I had many credible reports of players drinking heavily.

 

[BobD]

 

[woolybug25]

Another night out, another Ishaq/KMoore/Hardy + others sighting at club Feve. Sigh.

Terribly disappointed in those guys. I don't believe for a second that they are oblivious of what type of image that portrays. I think that they just don't care.

Ishaq especially. He was supposed to be a leader on this team, now he is out partying (at Club Fever, no less) when his entire career is up in the air? I remember the interviews of his father during his recruitment, and he seemed like a no-nonsense dude with a very professional demeanor. I'm sure he would be ashamed of his son right now.

Those guys aren't just embarrassing the university, their families and their fans... but they are going to look back on themselves later and be ashamed of how they handled themselves.

 

[gkIrish]

This really is nothing new. Players have been partying (at Fever and everywhere else) since I was there in 2006-2010 and I'm sure before that. Name the player...I promise you I saw them at a bar during the season.

For the most part they weren't getting hammered. In fact they were usually the most sober people at the bar. So there's that.

 

[woolybug25]

This really is nothing new. Players have been partying (at Fever and everywhere else) since I was there in 2006-2010 and I'm sure before that. Name the player...I promise you I saw them at a bar during the season.

I don't care if players party (albeit, a little ashamed that they choose Club Fever), I care that these in particular players are choosing to party publicly when their actions have cost the university. It shows that they simply don't care and must not feel responsible.

 

[FLDomer]

Maybe they were out celebrating their reinstatement to the team....heh heh

 

[IrishLax]

Terribly disappointed in those guys. I don't believe for a second that they are oblivious of what type of image that portrays. I think that they just don't care.

Ishaq especially. He was supposed to be a leader on this team, now he is out partying (at Club Fever, no less) when his entire career is up in the air? I remember the interviews of his father during his recruitment, and he seemed like a no-nonsense dude with a very professional demeanor. I'm sure he would be ashamed of his son right now.

Those guys aren't just embarrassing the university, their families and their fans... but they are going to look back on themselves later and be ashamed of how they handled themselves.

How is going to a bar embarrassing the University, families, fans?

What's done is done. Going to a bar has zero bearing on anything that has already transpired nor is it a crime/character flaw/anything else.

I guess all the doctors/lawyers/engineers that spent their Thursday nights senior year at Finnies or Feve are also acting irresponsibly? What about the majority of NFL players that go out during game weeks?

 

[gkIrish]

I don't care if players party (albeit, a little ashamed that they choose Club Fever), I care that these in particular players are choosing to party publicly when their actions have cost the university. It shows that they simply don't care and must not feel responsible.

I disagree but get what you're saying. FWIW Fever is where everyone goes on Thursdays. Completely dead Friday-Saturday.

 

[greyhammer90]

Uh the law actually takes care of that for most of their collge career.

Sure it does buddy... sure it does.

 

[BobD]

This snake swallowed a reliable source then died.

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[woolybug25]

How is going to a bar embarrassing the University, families, fans?

What's done is done. Going to a bar has zero bearing on anything that has already transpired nor is it a crime/character flaw/anything else.

I guess all the doctors/lawyers/engineers that spent their Thursday nights senior year at Finnies or Feve are also acting irresponsibly? What about the majority of NFL players that go out during game weeks?

How are those remotely similar? How are guys celebrating their success (NFL players, doctors, lawyers, etc) remotely like these players going out and partying when their actions have caused so much damage? When their irresponsibility is the top conversation in town, why would they think that now is the appropriate time to go live it up?

I think these guys having a little bit of shame for their actions, regret for getting suspended (some kicked out completely) and betraying the trust of their teammates, sh!t... a little bit of self awareness is not too much to ask.

Acting like their situation is no different than players in good standing, or students celebrating finishing school or a professional enjoying his free time after a day of hard work is completely asinine. These dudes are not in good standing and have zero reason to be proud of themselves.

 

[connor_in]

For all you people who have sources that you're getting solid info from, can you please ask them a couple things for me?

--Where does the lint I keep finding in my belly button come from? (I clean that bad boy out every day or two in the shower...but it ALWAYS returns.) What are you some kind of mutant? What the heck is a belly button and how much do they cost?

--Who the hell decided Iggy Azalea should be famous? Who? Is that a new Muppet?

--Will M. Night Shyamalan ever make another decent film? The combined prequel to Sixth Sense/Signs/Village
--Is there a job out there, any job, Samuel L. Jackson will actually turn down? Swear filter mod on IE
--I have a smokin hot new neighbor. I know these things NEVER end well (from both personal experience and from friends' experiences)...but I still should, right? I don't date chicks who smoke...that is up to you
--How many consecutive hours or days of swamp a$$ is finally too many to turn a girl down? Depends!

--How many days past the expiration date on milk is it still safe to drink? I have a brand new gallon that expired yesterday...and on principle, I hate throwing things out (particularly new and unopened things). Get a cow and drink straight from the udder

--Who cuts barbers' hair??? Barbers train their own hair not to grow

Answered

 

[koonja]

I don't have a problem with the guys going out. It's syllabi week and it's not like they can practice.

If they're acting foolish and getting smashed, then I think it's terrible considering students talk and you don't want any more 'Ishaq did this' in the meantime while their hearing waits.

But going out, being social, having a couple, no problem with that.

 

[koonja]

I'll also add, I think you can improve your image by going out if you act the right way. That's what everone does, so it's not like it's a mark against your character.

You go out, be respectful, stay reasonably sober, get home safe, people can say 'I saw Ishaq out actually. Seems like a good guy. Wasn't an idiot at all'. That's better than just not knowing the real Ishaq and making your own assumptions.

Sounds weird, but hopefully you know what I mean. I know I'm giving the benefit of the doubt, but my point is 'going out' is not always a bad thing. If you're a RKG, you can improve your image, even though you're at a bar.

 

[wizards8507]

Alcohol dehydrates, Koon. Then this happens:

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[IrishLax]

How are those remotely similar? How are guys celebrating their success (NFL players, doctors, lawyers, etc) remotely like these players going out and partying when their actions have caused so much damage? When their irresponsibility is the top conversation in town, why would they think that now is the appropriate time to go live it up?

Huh? So what's your premise? That because you're unhappy with them for getting the team/university in trouble they should be banned from doing normal senior student activities and having fun?

Because that's absurd. Because they may have cheated academically (years ago) they must now completely forgo having fun the way most students at ND do senior year, and instead... what? Sulk in a corner? Write "I will not cheat again" 500 times on a chalk board?

I think these guys having a little bit of shame for their actions, regret for getting suspended (some kicked out completely) and betraying the trust of their teammates, sh!t... a little bit of self awareness is not too much to ask.

Acting like their situation is no different than players in good standing, or students celebrating finishing school or a professional enjoying his free time after a day of hard work is completely asinine. These dudes are not in good standing and have zero reason to be proud of themselves.

Just stop dude. If you don't get it, then you don't get it. But your opinion here is completely bogus.

My point had nothing to do with anything you just said... I was simply illustrating that this is a normal student activity not a degenerate student activity... and it's also not an activity that affects on field production, as tons of very effective college/NFL players party all the time.

It's a simple illustration.

 

[mkg77]

Terribly disappointed in those guys. I don't believe for a second that they are oblivious of what type of image that portrays. I think that they just don't care.

Ishaq especially. He was supposed to be a leader on this team, now he is out partying (at Club Fever, no less) when his entire career is up in the air? I remember the interviews of his father during his recruitment, and he seemed like a no-nonsense dude with a very professional demeanor. I'm sure he would be ashamed of his son right now.

Those guys aren't just embarrassing the university, their families and their fans... but they are going to look back on themselves later and be ashamed of how they handled themselves.

Let's see, it's the first week of classes and thus a light academic week, and these guys aren't allowed to practice with the team ... I guess I can't blame them for wanting to get out and do something. I completely agree that they shouldn't be getting hammered, but we have no evidence that they were.

 

[woolybug25]

I'll also add, I think you can improve your image by going out if you act the right way. That's what everone does, so it's not like it's a mark against your character.

You go out, be respectful, stay reasonably sober, get home safe, people can say 'I saw Ishaq out actually. Seems like a good guy. Wasn't an idiot at all'. That's better than just not knowing the real Ishaq and making your own assumptions.

Sounds weird, but hopefully you know what I mean. I know I'm giving the benefit of the doubt, but my point is 'going out' is not always a bad thing. If you're a RKG, you can improve your image, even though you're at a bar.

So going out every night after you have shamed yourself and the university can improve your image? Got it.

When did we become so soft? You're right that it's "syllabi week and it's not like they can practice". That's because they got kicked off of the team for involving themselves in a cheating scandal that embarrassed the university and could possibly lead to vacating wins. That's why they don't have much to do, because their actions and decisions were terrible. So excuse me if I think that they should cool it with going out and drinking every night at Club Fever. Sorry if that seems childish and comes off as irresponsible. I guess i'm old school in the sense that people should probably have some self awareness and feel some level of responsibility for their actions.

Unbelievable... "getting drunk at Club Fever every night for a week can improve the image of a player just kicked off of the team for cheating". Say that out loud one time. Tell a coworker that or ask your folks if that seems reasonable.

 

[Grahambo]

Rumored Violations

How is going to a bar embarrassing the University, families, fans?



What's done is done. Going to a bar has zero bearing on anything that has already transpired nor is it a crime/character flaw/anything else.



I guess all the doctors/lawyers/engineers that spent their Thursday nights senior year at Finnies or Feve are also acting irresponsibly? What about the majority of NFL players that go out during game weeks?

Personally, and just my opinion, if you are consistently average at best, like ND has been the last X amount of years, maybe try a different approach, like not going out to a club during the season. I can understand during a bye week letting your hair down a bit but every week? No thanks. Is there a direct correlation? Probably not. It's just my personal take. I've never been the club type so it's easy for me to sit back and say no thanks.

Not sure if I want to follow the lead of most NFL players either.

I also wouldn't go so far as to say embarrassing either. But I understand Wooly's stance. Self-awareness is a good descriptor. Would they still be clubbing if they weren't suspended? I don't know. But your suspension should be an awakening to do better, not a time to party.

Seems to me that some are content in where they are at, which is fine. Not hating but to be the best, you gotta put in work when others aren't. I don't subscribe to the notion well, everyone else does it. Be different. Be better.

Just my own two cents.

EDIT: I'll also add that they aren't typical college students. You can't do typical college student things. You are a major representative of an incredible prestigious athletic program. I couldn't do normal 18-23 year old things when I was in the Marines because of being a Marine. I represent the best (no offense to other services) so I have to act like it. I chose the path and now I have to act better then my peers. Doesn't always work out but I have to do better.

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[connor_in]

You will now be known to me as Irish Envy's ANNIE

 

[koonja]

So going out every night after you have shamed yourself and the university can improve your image? Got it.

When did we become so soft? You're right that it's "syllabi week and it's not like they can practice". That's because they got kicked off of the team for involving themselves in a cheating scandal that embarrassed the university and could possibly lead to vacating wins. That's why they don't have much to do, because their actions and decisions were terrible. So excuse me if I think that they should cool it with going out and drinking every night at Club Fever. Sorry if that seems childish and comes off as irresponsible. I guess i'm old school in the sense that people should probably have some self awareness and feel some level of responsibility for their actions.

Unbelievable... "getting drunk at Club Fever every night for a week can improve the image of a player just kicked off of the team for cheating". Say that out loud one time. Tell a coworker that or ask your folks if that seems reasonable.

I don't think your opinion is childish, I just think it's not 'good' or 'bad' and cut and dry. If they're just being social and responsible, I don't think it hurts their image unless you take it at face value like you and others are, which is fine.

I can see a scenario where a student who has a painted image of the 5 suspended, doesn't know them on a personal level and gets to talk to them while being out, and comes away with a more positive impression than they previously had. 'I saw Ishaq out and he's actually a pretty cool guy. Got to talk to him and he's really down to earth'.

Again, giving benefit of the doubt to the players, but I truly believe the above is possible. I have no problem with it given what we know. If he's acting a fool, then my opinion changes completely.

 

[woolybug25]

Huh? So what's your premise? That because you're unhappy with them for getting the team/university in trouble they should be banned from doing normal senior student activities and having fun?

Because that's absurd. Because they may have cheated academically (years ago) they must now completely forgo having fun the way most students at ND do senior year, and instead... what? Sulk in a corner? Write "I will not cheat again" 500 times on a chalk board?

You compared them to people that haven't done anything wrong recently. Acting like they have some fundamental right to party every night of this week, just the same as someone that busted their hump all week and want to blow off steam.

They aren't normal senior students having fun. They are suspended, possibly expelled student athletes that just recently completely embarrassed the university and possibly caused NCAA violations. That's not the same as Jimmymac going out for a couple with his buddies. It isn't one night of blowing off steam, it's a week of partying at Club Fever when their teammates are trying to scramble to find a way to replace them.

Just stop dude. If you don't get it, then you don't get it. But your opinion here is completely bogus.

Glad to see that you are so open to debate. Like I told Koon. Go print off this page and go have a coworker read it. Don't tell them which one you are and see who they side with. The opinion that these suspended guys have some fundamental right to go party all week or the opinion that they should probably stay low (like KRuss and DD) and avoid any situations that could further embarrass themselves or the university?

My point had nothing to do with anything you just said... I was simply illustrating that this is a normal student activity not a degenerate student activity... and it's also not an activity that affects on field production, as tons of very effective college/NFL players party all the time.

It's a simple illustration.

You compared them to people that have no reason to avoid being seen out partying. These dudes have reasons to not be seen out partying every day of the week. They have lots of reasons. That's why I said your comparison didn't make sense. Because a lawyer kicking a few back after a hard week is a stark difference from suspended players going out partying every night while the school finishes up an investigation that national media connects me to.

 

[Cackalacky]

Maybe they are blowing off steam based on the fact they are no longer a part of Notre Dame at all, which is why DD and KVR appear to be lying low.

#just spitballing

 

[koonja]

From personal experience, at my school, I assumed all bball players were douche jocks with the IQ of a handball.

I played a lot of pick up bball in college, but never with the actual players. Did play with a lot of guys who didn't make the team.

I thought all bball players were arrogant and not very bright. Only being out and meeting them at the bar did I realize that this wasn't the case for all of them. Even became semi close friends with a couple of the cool ones.

They were funny, down to earth, loved sports and talking about it and that's all they did at the bars (while I got drunk and one night, even thought the fuseball table was a toilet - only night I ever got kicked out).

 

[woolybug25]

From personal experience, at my school, I assumed all bball players were douche jocks with the IQ of a handball.

I played a lot of pick up bball in college, but never with the actual players. Did play with a lot of guys who didn't make the team.

I thought all bball players were arrogant and not very bright. Only being out and meeting them at the bar did I realize that this wasn't the case for all of them. Even became semi close friends with a couple of the cool ones.

They were funny, down to earth, loved sports and talking about it and that's all they did at the bars (while I got drunk and one night, even thought the fuseball table was a toilet - only night I ever got kicked out).

Koona to me:

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Koona to me:

m'kay

 

[Irish Insanity]

Another night out, another Ishaq/KMoore/Hardy + others sighting at club Feve. Sigh.

Good to know the guys who's (alleged) academic dishonesty might cause ND to vacate wins and tarnish the last five years of football are having a nice time.

A going away party

DD & KVR weren't there? Perhaps that is a good sign? Beggars can't be choosers, and I'd like to have any combination of our players back that includes KVR.

We can only hope

Maybe they were out celebrating their reinstatement to the team....heh heh

No

Maybe they are blowing off steam based on the fact they are no longer a part of Notre Dame at all, which is why DD and KVR appear to be lying low.

#just spitballing

See above

 

[bigedefense]

Especially if you coached middle school.

 

[greyhammer90]

Just stop dude. If you don't get it, then you don't get it. But your opinion here is completely bogus.

I happen to agree with him so I guess I'll just stop.

It's called situation awareness. A normal ND football player has all the right in the world to go out and relax. If you've recently been suspended, might have cost your team wins in the future and in the past, and have nationally embarrassed your University, maybe you should stay in and do a little studying on the week nights.

 

[irishfan]

Ya, I have no issue with it. What's done is done. They're not under investigation for anything alcohol-related. Let them enjoy their senior year. They were suspended from all football activities, not all fun-activities.

It's the first week back at college. They're not going to shut off their social lives because they got caught doing something 2 years ago.